VN group A vs ED sprint

EBFalcs · 28-11-2005, 05:32 PM

do you think a VN SS Group A, 220kw, six spd manual, twin throttle bodies and apperently almost indestructable, would beat a ED sprint

Kenaz · 28-11-2005, 05:33 PM

Yep absolutely. Sprints are good, but they're not that good.

EBFalcs · 28-11-2005, 05:38 PM

I have to admit if i had a choice out of any ford before the BA GT or a VN Group A SS,
i would definately go the Group A SS. I read somwhere that they casted special blocks for them that are tough as and all the engine internals and gear box and driveline are just unbreakable aLSO THEY f****n fly

Mr. CVE · 28-11-2005, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by EBFalcs

do you think a VN SS Group A, 220kw, six spd manual, twin throttle bodies and apperently almost indestructable, would beat a ED sprint

The group A was only 215 kw 5.0 litre
the sprint had more torque though.

However I have a VN Group A and i think mine will beat any Sprint you give it

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EBFalcs · 28-11-2005, 06:02 PM

you got any pics

EBFalcs · 28-11-2005, 06:04 PM

this is a VN Group A for those who don't know This particular one is 1 of only 2 black ones made

hamo · 28-11-2005, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by v8capri

However I have a VN Group A and i think mine will beat any Sprint you give it

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if you're talking about the one on Saturday, i think you're right!!

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XRated · 28-11-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by v8capri

The group A was only 215 kw 5.0 litre
the sprint had more torque though.

However I have a VN Group A and i think mine will beat any Sprint you give it

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That'd eat most things alive.

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Steffo · 28-11-2005, 06:36 PM

Holden Commodore SS Group A VN
5.0litre (4987cc) OHV 16-valve V8
215kW @ 5200rpm
411Nm @ 4000rpm
Six-Speed Manual, 3.45:1 final drive

Ford Falcon XR8 Sprint ED
5.0litre (4942cc) OHV 16-valve V8
195kW @ 5000rpm
415Nm @ 4000rpm
Five-Speed Manual or Four-Speed Automatic
3.27:1 final drive manual, 3.45:! final drive auto

It would be close. Probably come down to the driver more then anything else.

EBFalcs · 28-11-2005, 06:36 PM

i bet it would eat it's own tyres alive too.
No traction control on that thing

Supa R00 · 28-11-2005, 06:40 PM

im sure the commodores shorter gearing and slight power and weight? advantage would see it pull away

Mr. CVE · 28-11-2005, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by EBFalcs

you got any pics

I have a gallery here
http://dannyshosting.com/gallery/mygpa
or my web site
www.cveperformance.com
but yeah it is the one from saturday at G & D dyno day.
Not bad for a Holden ??

Lukeyson · 28-11-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Unique cars

FAST FACTS

NUMBER BUILT: 302

BODY: all steel, integrated body/chassis, four-door sedan

ENGINE: 4.9-litre V8 with overhead valves and twin throttle body fuel injection

POWER & TORQUE: 215kW @ 5200rpm/411Nm @ 4000rpm

PERFORMANCE: 0-100km/h - 6.5sec, 0-400 metres -14.5sec

TRANSMISSION: six-speed ZF manual

SUSPENSION: Front - independent with Macpherson struts, upper and lower control arms, coil springs, anti-roll bar and telescopic shock absorbers. Rear - live axle with trailing arms, coil springs, anti-roll bar and telescopic shock absorbers

BRAKES: disc front and rear, power assisted

WHEELS/TYRES: 17 x 8 alloy, 235/45/ZR17 radial

PRICE RANGE: $15,000-50,000

CONTACT: HSV Owners Clubs throughout Australia

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a Group A should average a tad below 20L/100km. According to Martin Hayden, that figure is a worst scenario - his experience of the car at highway speeds is 11-12L/100km.

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the Group A had a theoretical top speed of 414km/h but was never timed at more than 253km/h.

Taken from this article

28-11-2005, 07:59 PM

It would be a lot closer than you think..
Have a look at the 1/4 times for both & you'll see...

**Falcon Coupe** · 28-11-2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by v8capri

I have a gallery here
http://dannyshosting.com/gallery/mygpa
or my web site
www.cveperformance.com
but yeah it is the one from saturday at G & D dyno day.
Not bad for a Holden ??

Paul what does that car run ? is it a dyno queen or do you use it ?

Mr. CVE · 28-11-2005, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

Paul what does that car run ? is it a dyno queen or do you use it ?

well to be honest I have not raced it as I have a drag car,
It was my daily driver, that just got out of hand.
But I do still drive it a fair bit, and enjoy it that way.

**Falcon Coupe** · 28-11-2005, 08:11 PM

It would be nice to see what MPH it would pull over 400, it's an awsome daily driver, do you think the drive train would stand up too a race start ?

Mr. CVE · 28-11-2005, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

It would be nice to see what MPH it would pull over 400, it's an awsome daily driver, do you think the drive train would stand up too a race start ?

I know the clutch will hemorage with a 5 grand dump.
It is just holding on now.

rodderz · 28-11-2005, 08:51 PM

On your website Paul it says your VN has a ZF 6-speed

How do you find it?

The Mighty Red · 28-11-2005, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by EBFalcs

do you think a VN SS Group A, 220kw, six spd manual, twin throttle bodies and apperently almost indestructable, would beat a ED sprint

I remember the VN Group A , I dont recall it being a SS, I thought it was a VN HSV GROUP A Commodore.

Anyway I dont know which would win in a drag race prob the holden but I know which is the nicer car and unfortunately it aint the Ford.

IMHO, the VN Group A was a car that stopped you in the street and made you stare at it as it went by and along with all the internal goodies it had made it a very tough car for its day.
I think they were like $60,000 in 1990.

**Falcon Coupe** · 28-11-2005, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by L.F.C

I remember the VN Group A , I dont recall it being a SS, I thought it was a VN HSV GROUP A Commodore.

An SS it certainly was......i remember being in awe of them at the motor show.

EBFalcs · 28-11-2005, 09:07 PM

what build No. is your group A? V8capri

EBFalcs · 28-11-2005, 09:09 PM

they were all red except for two tooheys special addition, thaey were black and two white ones were made

The Mighty Red · 28-11-2005, 09:13 PM

I might be wrong again but I'm pretty sure they came out in a green aswell

EBFalcs · 28-11-2005, 09:16 PM

i seen a page someone put on the net about their "GENUINE" VN SS Group A and he had a pic of the dash like the one above and it had build No. 347 or 374 or something like that.

KEV EB XR8 · 28-11-2005, 09:29 PM

How can you compare an ss with a slightly "t" tweaked falcon.

the "norm" commodore was the same output as the first "v8" falcon after the XE,

Compare Apples with oranges an you will allways come out a winner.......

EBFalcs · 28-11-2005, 09:31 PM

what's your point

KEV EB XR8 · 28-11-2005, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by EBFalcs

what's your point

Wasnt the ss a Highly "tweeked car" as compared to a ED sprint.

The same comparison in the category was the same output "kw" as the falcon ?

Tiapan · 28-11-2005, 09:37 PM

yeah but remenber they are still just gay

Psycho Chicken · 28-11-2005, 09:37 PM

I'll take a Sprint anyway. Too much bloody body kit hanging off the Group A.