2017 Camaro ZL1

[Fab]

640hp and a 10-speed.

http://jalopnik.com/the-2017-camaro-...-sp-1765182911

[Express]

[Wretched]

Ugly, but it'll be a monster.

[Fordman1]

Yeah it's ugly, but it'll go like stink.

There was a comparo between the previous one of these and the Mustang GT350R on road and track ( YouTube ). The mustang smashed it on the track.

Expect the 10R80 Auto in the Mustang in 2017.

[TUF_302]

thats a lot of gears

[Bossxr8]

It's looks like a 10 year old designed it.

The auto was Ford/GM co-developed.

[malazn mafia]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

It's looks like a 10 year old designed it.

The auto was Ford/GM co-developed.

Wow. Ford and GM co-developed. Automotive equivalent of Jesus and Lucifer doing a joint venture

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Wow. Ford and GM co-developed. Automotive equivalent of Jesus and Lucifer doing a joint venture

Gm, ford and Chrysler and euros(some) = jesus.
Japanese = Lucifer.

[RANGEREST]

I'll have that drivetrain in the current version thanks.

[CoupeKing]

Basking Shark.

[Whitey-AMG]

Nice old skool meets new school look.
Much more aggresive looking than mustang which has gone a bit softer looking of late.....

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Basking Shark.

That cracked me up

[PG2]

Originally Posted by tempted

Why is a 10 speed even necessary? Seems completely overboard to me. I thought even an 8 speed was excessive.

Yep, I remember back in the 70's 4 speed was a waste. In the 80's and into the 90's 5 speed was a waste. In the 2000's 6 speed was a waste.

Now anything less than 6 speed and in some cases 7 speed people will not even look at them.

Why is 10 speed even necessary? It's called progress.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by PG2

Why is 10 speed even necessary? It's called progress.

And finally in the movies all those gear changes are real

[Bent8]

Originally Posted by PG2

Yep, I remember back in the 70's 4 speed was a waste. In the 80's and into the 90's 5 speed was a waste. In the 2000's 6 speed was a waste.

Now anything less than 6 speed and in some cases 7 speed people will not even look at them.

Why is 10 speed even necessary? It's called progress.

Well I guess I should cancel my order for the 2017 Bugatti Chiron then... still uses the ol' 7-speeder from 2005 and only good for an electronically limited 420kph... this Chevy has 10-speeds so should be way faster !

Sometimes progress means you end up going backwards... a 640hp supercharged V8 does not need 10 forward speeds to be faster than a 6 or 7 speed box... if anything, it may actually end up being slower due to the extra gear changes required.

[PG2]

Originally Posted by tempted

Is it something that is really necessary or is it just progress for progress sake?
I can understand the move from the old 4 speeds to 6, but a 10 speed just seems ridiculously excessive. Where does it end? Will cars end up having more gears than a mountain bike?
Seems like a sheer amount of complexity for a negligible benefit to me.

When I was growing up my dragster push bike was a 3 speed - racing bikes were 10 speed. Now the norm is 18 speed.

There was as a thread somewhere discussing what would be the optimum number of gears but I can't find it for the life of me.

I get what you are saying in regards to complexity vs benefit, however, in 10 to 20 years time people will be saying "Only a 10 speed?"

EDIT: I don't mind the look of it.

[commodorenutt]

It's all about increasing fuel economy & keeping the emissions down.
The extra speeds let the PCM have more control over engine load, to minimise emissions & maximise economy.

[SumoDog68]

Originally Posted by PG2

When I was growing up my dragster push bike was a 3 speed - racing bikes were 10 speed. Now the norm is 18 speed.

There was as a thread somewhere discussing what would be the optimum number of gears but I can't find it for the life of me.

I get what you are saying in regards to complexity vs benefit, however, in 10 to 20 years time people will be saying "Only a 10 speed?"

EDIT: I don't mind the look of it.

You must of been out of cycling for a while as standard for a road bike is 2x11 or if you like 22 speed (some gears are duplicated so in reality is less) .
Transmission manufacturers have stated that 6 gears are more than enough to.cover operating range of road speeds and engine characteristics. Gains with more gears are fuel efficiency and acceleration - more gears also mean more friction and more complexity . Some specialised solutions are attractive such as crawler gear for a 4wd cars without dual range .
Modern engines have wide torque bands and could work with 3 speed let alone 7 speed.
Current 9speed and more gears are more point of difference than a necessity or progress. More is not always better .

[PG2]

Originally Posted by SumoDog68

You must of been out of cycling for a while as standard for a road bike is 2x11 or if you like 22 speed (some gears are duplicated so in reality is less) .
Transmission manufacturers have stated that 6 gears are more than enough to.cover operating range of road speeds and engine characteristics. Modern engines have wide torque bands and could work with 3 speed let alone 7 speed.
Current 9speed and more gears are more point of difference than a necessity or progress. More is not always better .

Agreed that more is not always better.

However, it was not that long ago that people on this forum were whinging about the lack of sales of the Focus and partially blaming it on being a 5 speed compared to competitors being a 6 speed.

As I have said before, it's not what is practical, it is what looks good on the spec sheet. These days with most people shopping on the internet instead of visiting dealerships and driving them, it is the spec sheet that sells.

[Falcon SXR8]

Originally Posted by tempted

Why is a 10 speed even necessary? Seems completely overboard to me. I thought even an 8 speed was excessive.

Fast and furious was ahead of there time

[Express]

Originally Posted by tempted

Why is a 10 speed even necessary? Seems completely overboard to me. I thought even an 8 speed was excessive.

I’m agreeing with you.

Why manufacturers ever felt the need to try and out do the Speco shifter used to convert the three on the tree to a three on the floor is beyond me.

[rijruna]

Originally Posted by Express

I’m agreeing with you.

Why manufacturers ever felt the need to try and out do the Speco shifter used to convert the three on the tree to a three on the floor is beyond me.


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I had one of them on the only holden Iv ever had. EK sedan with a warmed over 186, jag rear-end, & HR front end. Went Ok for 17yr old. Bought cheap & flogged it badly. How I lived through that time I will never understand.
Cheers
Rij

[Express]

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by tempted

Why is a 10 speed even necessary? Seems completely overboard to me. I thought even an 8 speed was excessive.

I actually agree with you on this one, well for this car in particular.
640HP with 640NM does not need 10 gears in fact they would be a pita.
if its smooth enough it would probably sound and feel similar to a CVT

lots of gears are good for diesels with small power bands - and obviously for economy.
but if you buying a ZL1 I don't think economy is the main priority.

[MethodX]

Very nice... Ill take a black one...
Hope it kicks *** on the track.

[40RDT]

200 pounds lighter than the previous car, with approximately 60 more horses and 80 more lb-ft of torque...

[nstg8a]

I actually like the looks of it, it's certainly not going to blend in.

[Windsor220]

More gears mean the engine is held in its sweet spot longer. May as well go CVT if they want to cram anymore in there.

[FG50T]

Perfect candidate for a 9 second daily driver.

[EBSXR6]

Hopefully the transmission is air cooled so no chances of a milkshake. You will need a second mortgage to pay the Auto Transmission specialist.