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Basically its stiffer FE3 suspension, lighweight 19 inch alloys and Brembo brakes from the axed Pontiac G8 GXP. Interesting to see it as an option on the Calais (which I think keeps its standard suspension)
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This will be interesting.
Holden diluting the HSV marque may bite them on the bum in a BIG way..... |
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No spare tyre on ute?? Why??????
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FE3-as good as FE2?
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Thats a great idea and IMO something I wish ford would follow. A FPV package upgrade for rims and brakes would be fantastic on the G6ET and XR series.
Flappist I agree that it muddies the waters but at the end of the day the car itself is not a GT/F6 so people can pretend all they like if they are willing to pay for it. Why let the aftermarket take all the money when they can so easily get some extra revenue by offering a package that already developed and sorted. Hmm..XR6T/XR8 with brembo's would be very nice. We can bag Holden all we like here, but they atleast have the balls to give their customers what they want.
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The GS is V8 only, and supercharged at that. There will be some who dont want or cant justify a s/c but still want a V8, should they not be entitled to better brakes if they want them? I cant see how having it as an option hurts anyone, just because someone wants better braking in their XR doesn't necessarily mean they want or need a FPV.
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I want the tatts numbers for saturday night too, but that's unlikey... You have to draw the line somewhere...
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as much as i hate holdens the couple of times i started to sway when younger they went out of there way for the sale,priced a vs ute up once and was able to option the hsv185 motor .with ford it is there it is take or leave it was flat out getting a set of mats chucked in for a baxr8 but over the other side a vyss they were going to give wind tint mats,option wheels,desperate for a sale maybe but its what the buyer wants
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Get a 260kW/530Nm SS-V with this 'pack' or a real man supercharged GS 315kW/545Nm for very similar coin.
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As much as these Holden packages are usually just using leftover bits. I think its great that they name these packages as a trim, it helps with resale and it will make the car more desirable on the second-hand market in years to come. A rare Calais V V8 Redline will probably be a desirable second hand car one day rather than a Calais V with a couple of options.
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They're not just giving the customers what they want. They're desperate, and because their V8 will be inferior to FPV V8's, they're trying to take the focus away from the engine and make it look like they have the better 'complete package'.
In reality, though, FPV will still offer a great package, and it's not all about the engine. Sure, that's the only thing people are talking about, but it doesn't automatically mean the rest of the car is sub-par. Redline looks like a good package, but it's one they wouldn't have come up with were it not for FPV's new offering. |
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HSV are only saying publicly now that "its not about the engine" because they know that they are in some poo until they get their hands on something else which could be a while. How does redline on the Holden "V" models have anything to do with FPV? The GS wont have brembos so they are not trying to match that. They perhaps have found that alot of SS owners upgrade their brakes anyway so why not get a piece of that pie aswell.
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Holden are giveing customers what they want, and its working.
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Put the scepticism and one eyed brand loyalty aside for a minute and have a look at what is going on here - Ford/FPV are bringing out some awesome cars, Holden/HSV are doing so too. They dont all have new bits and pieces but I seem to remember FPV launching the FG range with carryover BF wheels and maybe according to your logic it was because they were 'desperate'. Name any other country in the world where you can buy a RWD V8 with as many options, inclusions , safety additions and whatever else for the same price we do in Australia. Bet you can't. Regardless of where the parts come from, be it a failed export program or a lot of leftover stuff, the fact is that they are much better being available on cars than sitting in a spare parts warehouse - and unless you have been hiding under a rock somewhere you would know that customers love options. I dont like having the exact same car as anybody else - thats why I option things on it and modify it with aftermarket stuff. If I can put more fruit on it from factory, and have a better overall car, then I'm certainly going to do it. And since it's an option, the bloke behind me who buys the same car I do, doesnt have to have the same things I do on my car. Thats an ideal setup.
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I've come to the conclusion that FPV limited the power of the new Coyote, because the gearbox wouldn't handle that much torque? Chuck in an Alison 6 speed ![]() |
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I'm sure it will appeal to the want it now's but gee 19s will cost at replacement time as will the brembo consumables.
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Which is nothing compared to what FPV could achieve with the 310 T6 and the Miami brothers. Daniel |
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What I don't accept is the 13.5L/100km on a cruisy country drive when there are enough members on here with F6 which flog stock versus stock HSV GTS and use much less fuel on an equivalent basis. I'm also expecting that a S/C Miami GS/GT will be decent on fuel too whilst handing it to the GTS as well.
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Big? Fpv's engine is 1litre smaller. I'd prefer the more advanced super charged engine over the bigger pushrod Holden motor. bring on quadcams!
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Sure it will blitz the 6.2 with its flatter tourqe curve, but I think they could have done much much better. Holden aren't worried I don't think, it won't come close to swaying them from number 1 sales and they got their new motor on the horizon, also small block charged, but with DI also. Not to mention better over all package in the Holdens with better standard equipment. Well done to Holden for the real reason they are doing this, giving the customers what they want. Stoney!
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