GTHO Fastest 4 - door

J.A.W. · 28-05-2010, 03:03 PM

Excuse me if I am being boring & going over old ground, but has anyone ever fact checked that claim? Like compared contemporary road test results - just a thought but Jag XJ 12, MB 6.3, Maserati Quattroporte, Aston-Lagonda V8, those bigblock Mopar Highway Patrol interceptors & even the Soviet special KGB Zil V8 could have maybe out top-ended the Hoey?

dannyxm · 28-05-2010, 03:05 PM

You sir have really opened up a hornets nest.............................

sgt_doofey · 28-05-2010, 03:10 PM

Wasn't the claim that it was the fastest production car at it's time? I.e. Back in the 70's when it was built.

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The Phase III was Australia's fastest four door production car for many years

Pinkbits · 28-05-2010, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sgt_doofey

Wasn't the claim that it was the fastest production car at it's time? I.e. Back in the 70's when it was built.

Fastest FOUR door production car in the world in 1971.

Outback · 28-05-2010, 03:34 PM

Fastest four door pro car in the world and it never left Australia, the GTHO is the most over rate car ever.

**Raptor** · 28-05-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Outback

Fastest four door pro car in the world and it never left Australia, the GTHO is the most over rate car ever.

Brave statement to be making on these forums, though I'd have to agree.

Fantastic resale though if you kept it original and prsitine and were prepared to hang onto it for 30 or 40 years

**kypez** · 28-05-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Outback

Fastest four door pro car in the world and it never left Australia, the GTHO is the most over rate car ever.

Fastest 4 door car in the world and thats overrated?! What do you want? for it to fly?

aualright · 28-05-2010, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Outback

Fastest four door pro car in the world and it never left Australia, the GTHO is the most over rate car ever.

Oh...another with the dreaded cultural cringe - ie. if it isn't recognised o/s, then it mustn't be any good.

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gregmc · 28-05-2010, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Outback

Fastest four door pro car in the world and it never left Australia, the GTHO is the most over rate car ever.

i think you have been in the outback far to long, i believe that it also went to nz.

buickman · 28-05-2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pinkbits

Fastest FOUR door production car in the world in 1971.

Yes and was tested by I think Wheels mag on the Hume with the speedo past the 140 mph. The famous pic of the HO of the time.

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Scott · 28-05-2010, 03:54 PM

How can the GTHO be over-rated when there is nothing else to rate it against?

JimNiki · 28-05-2010, 05:28 PM

what makes them special is that they were "REAL" race cars.
drive 'em to the track and drive 'em home!
I wish bathurst would go back to them good old days!

australian made cars only!
(ok, now that godzilla is banned, the fords may have a chance!)

SteveJH · 28-05-2010, 05:39 PM

So, what exactly would you need to get the fastest 4 door car in the world these days? Considering that the Audi has a V10, the Merc, Jag, BMW etc all have very powerful forced or NA V8's...

**kypez** · 28-05-2010, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

So, what exactly would you need to get the fastest 4 door car in the world these days? Considering that the Audi has a V10, the Merc, Jag, BMW etc all have very powerful forced or NA V8's...

as mentioned, building it isnt the issue. Making it cost effective is. I dont know what the warranty on cars in 1971 were, but you gotta make sure that the car you build doesnt blow up for 100,000 or 160,000 kms as well as it being the fastest car is a hard equation to balance for a reasonable price.

I dont think Ford could ever do that again as the brand just doesnt have the prestige to command the dollars to create such a car (As mentioned with the W427 example. Holden isnt a brand people will pay upward of $150k). Even the remade GT(40) didnt meet sales expectation (about 500 short). Even the price began to drop after the initial hype phase that saw Ford increase price premiums I believe.

The Australian spec Evo X (from what we were told by Mitsubishi) has reduced power (366kw VS 412ish rest of the world) as we get the 10 year drive train warranty that isnt offered anywhere else, making it more reliable.

JC807 · 29-05-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kypez

The Australian spec Evo X (from what we were told by Mitsubishi) has reduced power (366kw VS 412ish rest of the world) as we get the 10 year drive train warranty that isnt offered anywhere else, making it more reliable.

you mean 366Nm, the evo x is 217kw.

GTP owner · 28-05-2010, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveJH

So, what exactly would you need to get the fastest 4 door car in the world these days? Considering that the Audi has a V10, the Merc, Jag, BMW etc all have very powerful forced or NA V8's...

Bentley Flying spur? Porsche Panamera?

Scott · 28-05-2010, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GTP owner

Bentley Flying spur? Porsche Panamera?

F6 would blow the Bentley into the weeds and would be locking door handles with the Verandah.

What factory 4 door sedan is faster than the F6?

4Vman · 28-05-2010, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by GTP006

What factory 4 door sedan is faster than the F6?

Well for starters; BMW M3 sedan, 335i sedan, M5 sedan... , my personal favourite the AMG C63 sedan...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Iyh9RAsw1E

There are plenty...

GTP owner · 28-05-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GTP006

F6 would blow the Bentley into the weeds and would be locking door handles with the Verandah.

What factory 4 door sedan is faster than the F6?

Fastest, not 400metre drag times. F6 is a mere pimped taxi compared to these two big boys. The Brabus mercs are even faster, but do not quite fit the genre of production car.
And don't start with the flash tuned blah blah. Factory times and powers.

The GTHO was largely claimed as the fastest 4 door production car in its day, which is a huge achievement we will never see again from an aussie car. I do believe that the claim is correct
Long live the king

Outback · 28-05-2010, 05:42 PM

The GTHO 111 raced twice at Bathurst and won 1 and got smashed by the mighty XU1 Over rated yes it is the XU1 was a propose built race car also.

**kypez** · 28-05-2010, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Outback

The GTHO 111 raced twice at Bathurst and won 1 and got smashed by the mighty XU1 Over rated yes it is the XU1 was a propose built race car also.

The GT40 beat the Ferrari's and the other exotics of its time and then ford pulled funding. Does this mean because they won only 2 Le Manns that they are overrated? or that the next year a better model ferrari destroyed the GT40. Does that make the GT40 overrated?!

Or that a XT falcon will probably beat a GTHO around a track today? Even an E Gas might beat it along with your favouriate XU1.

I think you've missed the point...

XR Martin · 28-05-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kypez

The GT40 beat the Ferrari's and the other exotics of its time and then ford pulled funding. Does this mean because they won only 2 Le Manns that they are overrated? or that the next year a better model ferrari destroyed the GT40. Does that make the GT40 overrated?!

It actually won four in a row.

tezxr8man · 28-05-2010, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

It actually won four in a row.

and got beaten by a porsche

FG XR · 28-05-2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Outback

The GTHO 111 raced twice at Bathurst and won 1 and got smashed by the mighty XU1 Over rated yes it is the XU1 was a propose built race car also.

Which weighed next to nothing compared to the GTHO.

Melz · 28-05-2010, 09:00 PM

Why must it always be the fastest car? Why does no one ever care about the slowest car? They are cars too!

Riksta · 28-05-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Melz

Why does no one ever care about the slowest car?

I do care about my car!!!

gtxb67 · 28-05-2010, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Coyote V8

Which weighed next to nothing compared to the GTHO.

the weight was not the issue - the rain on the day was the issue when one of the cars was much lighter. similar thing i know, but the year before the lightweight pos could not get anywhere near the phase 3. nor the phase 2 the year before that

all race cars are built to race in dry conditions. in dry the little pos did not stand a chance against the greatest car australia has produced. it needed mother nature to turn her hand to give the pos a chance

and to answer the original posters question. it was the fastest four door production car of it's time. are any faster now - no doubt, but who cares. they needed 20-30 years of technology to do it on a regular basis

Ryan · 30-05-2010, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by gtxb67

the weight was not the issue - the rain on the day was the issue when one of the cars was much lighter. similar thing i know, but the year before the lightweight pos could not get anywhere near the phase 3. nor the phase 2 the year before that

all race cars are built to race in dry conditions. in dry the little pos did not stand a chance against the greatest car australia has produced. it needed mother nature to turn her hand to give the pos a chance

What do you expect when one car had a much more powerful 5.8L V8, and the other had a considerably less powerful N/A 3.3L 6? I think it's fair to say the XU1 was not made to be fast down the 1/4 like the GTHO was. Its strength came from its light, and nimble body/chassis. Whether it needed mother nature is completely irrelevent. Does this mean everytime a Ford won throughout the 60s, 70s, and 80s in the rain it only won, because of mother nature since every car was built to race in the dry?

It's a no brainer that in raw speed, and power that the GTHO creamed the XU1 easily. As it should've. I understand that it's a Ford forum, and the GTHO is a legend, but some common sense could be used.

tezxr8man · 28-05-2010, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Outback

The GTHO 111 raced twice at Bathurst and won 1 and got smashed by the mighty XU1 Over rated yes it is the XU1 was a propose built race car also.

Fair statement but it had to rain for the Torrie to have a chance, and 1971 it was HO 1st to 5th from memory and then got second the next year. correct me if i'm wrong here????

mik · 29-05-2010, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Outback

The GTHO 111 raced twice at Bathurst and won 1 and got smashed by the mighty XU1 Over rated yes it is the XU1 was a propose built race car also.

actually the GTHO did`nt get smashed ......... , if you take the time to look look at the race you`d see the Torana won by good luck not by being superior race car at all.