Diesel Sales Up 57% in 5 Years...

[csv8]

"WOULD you consider switching from a petrol-powered car to purchasing diesel? Well, according to the latest ABS census report it's exactly what is occurring.
The data, released last week, showed the portion of vehicles fuelled by diesel had grown by 57 per cent in the past five years. Meanwhile, registration of petrol- powered models had dropped from 88.1 per cent of the national fleet in 2012 to 75.7 per cent in 2017.
The nation's apparent love of diesel cars wasn't surprising given the huge increase in the number of people buying SUVs, light commercial utes and four-wheel drives - a sector where diesel tends to dominate. The Ford Ranger and the Toyota HiLux are consistently among the top sellers in the country, after all.
This change in consumer behaviour could be due to more savvy motorists looking for cost savings from fuels like diesel, or due to vehicle manufacturers reducing the number of petrol-powered models in its range.
Our advice is to consider not just the fuel type but all running costs, including depreciation, servicing and purchase costs. Doing research could save you thousands of dollars each year"
https://www.themorningbulletin.com.a...gines/3208810/

[Tickford.]

Australia seems to have become the dumping ground for diesel powered passenger cars the other 1st world countries are moving away from. As usual we are slow to adapt, and this love of diesel cars is going to have a very ugly end I think.

https://practicalmotoring.com.au/voi...l-dead-nearly/

[Raptor]

Ah Australia, always willing to take the cheapest (immediate) option and ignore the consequences of those actions. This is but the latest example.

Land of idiots.







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[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Raptor

Ah Australia, always willing to take the cheapest (immediate) option and ignore the consequences of those actions. This is but the latest example.

No, that is the reason behind the rise and fall of diesels elsewhere, especially Europe.
For a while if they wanted to improve fuel-economy diesel was the best option, so that's what manufacturers did.
More recently, petrol engines have improved and hybrids have emerged, whilst diesels struggle to meet emissions requirements, and so manufacturers have swung away.
At some point, they will figure out how to make diesels cleaner, and the pendulum will swing again.

[Ben73]

I love driving my petrol Grand Cherokee over the multiple diesel 4x4s that I regularly drive.
Ill just pay for the extra 2 litres per 100kms to have a very quite engine with no turbo lag.

Good to have the engine running and be able to easily speak to someone standing right next to the car.

Diesel is good for towing or sedate drivers

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I love driving my petrol Grand Cherokee over the multiple diesel 4x4s that I regularly drive.
Ill just pay for the extra 2 litres per 100kms to have a very quite engine with no turbo lag.

Good to have the engine running and be able to easily speak to someone standing right next to the car.

Diesel is good for towing or sedate drivers

The Jeep diesel promises 7.5L/100 the sort of economy Camry drivers are after. and with 184 kW 570 Nm its not just for sedate drivers

what sort of economy do you get?

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

The Jeep diesel promises 7.5L/100 the sort of economy Camry drivers are after. and with 184 kW 570 Nm its not just for sedate drivers

what sort of economy do you get?

7.5 on the freeway? I know it's rated at 7.5L for a combined cycle, but we all know those figures are extremely conservative and no real life drivers can achieve them.

Ranger diesel 10.1L/100km
Grand Cherokee Petrol 12L/100kms
Same driver, same roads, GC 100kgs heavier.

Good thing is when you accelerate in a petrol it moves forward at a decent rate instantly, no 2 second turbo lag at all. Which I prefer in my driving style. I hate the 2 seconds of nothing, then the sudden burst of acceleration. Plus when you properly get up it, petrol powers up to 6000rpm. None of that wheezing at 3000rpm as it runs out of puff and has to decide to up shift.
Apparently some of the Euro sedan diesel are pretty decent, but I have only driven diesel in 4x4's (9 of them to be precise) so that's what I am basing it off.

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I get less than 8 l/100km out of the BT50 versus 12 l/100km out of the XR6T driving to work.
Yes initial price of diesel motor is higher....yes service costs are higher...yes it is an oddball comparison.
But for vehicles of that size and weight it is pretty good.
It is my 1st diesel and people forget it is a completely different technology and it takes a while to adjust and get used to.

Must be driving mostly highway driving to get 8L out of the the 5 cylinder.
Xr6 Turbo is hardly the standard petrol engine. I don't think it is high on the list for people looking for economy cars.

Originally Posted by burnz

those who bag the modern diesel, haven't driven one!

Modern diesel are great compared to older ones, still I don't see their benefits in smaller passenger vehicles driving around town.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Modern diesel are great compared to older ones, still I don't see their benefits in smaller passenger vehicles driving around town.

And this is why the choice of these has dwindled in recent years. Especially with petrol engines adopting certain diesel engine technologies helping to bridge the economy gap.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by Ben73

7.5 on the freeway? I know it's rated at 7.5L for a combined cycle, but we all know those figures are extremely conservative and no real life drivers can achieve them.

Ranger diesel 10.1L/100km
Grand Cherokee Petrol 12L/100kms
Same driver, same roads, GC 100kgs heavier.

Good thing is when you accelerate in a petrol it moves forward at a decent rate instantly, no 2 second turbo lag at all. Which I prefer in my driving style. I hate the 2 seconds of nothing, then the sudden burst of acceleration. Plus when you properly get up it, petrol powers up to 6000rpm. None of that wheezing at 3000rpm as it runs out of puff and has to decide to up shift.
Apparently some of the Euro sedan diesel are pretty decent, but I have only driven diesel in 4x4's (9 of them to be precise) so that's what I am basing it off.

I noticed very little turbo lag on the Jeep, are you talking more about transmission lag.
this is more common on the Territory I drive and the Ranger - same trans.

The Jeep has the 8 speed, much more responsive and the diesel never runs out of puff cos it just upshifts as it leaves the petrol V6 behind.

V6 Petrol 0-100 9.1 sec
V6 diesel 0-100 8.2 sec

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

I noticed very little turbo lag on the Jeep, are you talking more about transmission lag.
this is more common on the Territory I drive and the Ranger - same trans.

The Jeep has the 8 speed, much more responsive and the diesel never runs out of puff cos it just upshifts as it leaves the petrol V6 behind.

V6 Petrol 0-100 9.1 sec
V6 diesel 0-100 8.2 sec

Possibly, someone said the early models had a throttle lag type thing which was bad on the diesels. Felt very similar to turbo lag.
I noticed it in the Grand Cherokee taking off from a stand. Would it be transmission lag in that situation?
The Ranger sometimes was a little slow on the kickdown under normal driving conditions. Turbo lag taking off is definitely noticeable, especially at busy roundabouts where you want to get up and go as soon as you press the throttle down.

[Kieron]

Originally Posted by Ben73

7.5 on the freeway? I know it's rated at 7.5L for a combined cycle, but we all know those figures are extremely conservative and no real life drivers can achieve them.

Ranger diesel 10.1L/100km
Grand Cherokee Petrol 12L/100kms
Same driver, same roads, GC 100kgs heavier.

Good thing is when you accelerate in a petrol it moves forward at a decent rate instantly, no 2 second turbo lag at all. Which I prefer in my driving style. I hate the 2 seconds of nothing, then the sudden burst of acceleration. Plus when you properly get up it, petrol powers up to 6000rpm. None of that wheezing at 3000rpm as it runs out of puff and has to decide to up shift.
Apparently some of the Euro sedan diesel are pretty decent, but I have only driven diesel in 4x4's (9 of them to be precise) so that's what I am basing it off.

Must be driving mostly highway driving to get 8L out of the the 5 cylinder.
Xr6 Turbo is hardly the standard petrol engine. I don't think it is high on the list for people looking for economy cars.

Modern diesel are great compared to older ones, still I don't see their benefits in smaller passenger vehicles driving around town.

I have a MY15 diesel GC and it stays under 9l/100 99% of the time and that includes peak hour driving 3 days per week two and from work. Typically, it sits around 8.3-8.5l/100

Acceleration wise, it was doughy off the mark until the S49 update which has sharpened it up/reduced turbo lag significantly and man does it lift it's skirt if you want it too and sounds good doing it too, certainly no wheezing don't even think I've ever reached its rev limit neither.

Sound wise, it has a soft diesel growl which I actually like but in no way is it intrusive and at cruise, you can't here the engine, it really is a sweet little donk.

I'm comparison, I back to back drove it with a new Ranger 3.2 about 6 weeks ago, that engine is from the dark ages by comparison, just didn't get up and go and was thrashy, I was disappointed as I was considering a Ranger. Same applied to a 3 year old Prado I was in about 12 months ago for that matter.

[Pepscobra]

Now all of a sudden, diesel is bad...?
When did that happen?
How practical is it going to be to just ban diesel by a certain year?
What about the millions of relatively new diesel cars on the road already??

[vztrt]

With the rise of SUV and pickup sales why would this even be remotely surprising.

[DFB FGXR6]

Originally Posted by vztrt

With the rise of SUV and pickup sales why would this even be remotely surprising.

Exactly. The availability of diesel powered passenger cars (ie sedans/hatches) has decreased in recent years. The rise and rise of the cash cow dual cab pickups and SUV's are responsible for this number.

A bit of nothing story really.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

Now all of a sudden, diesel is bad...?
When did that happen?

diesel has always been bad. Its not all of a sudden. As emission regulations get tighter and tighter it is becoming increasingly difficult to get diesel engines compliant.

[CyberWasp]

I get less than 8 l/100km out of the BT50 versus 12 l/100km out of the XR6T driving to work.
Yes initial price of diesel motor is higher....yes service costs are higher...yes it is an oddball comparison.
But for vehicles of that size and weight it is pretty good.
It is my 1st diesel and people forget it is a completely different technology and it takes a while to adjust and get used to.

[pauljh74]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I get less than 8 l/100km out of the BT50 versus 12 l/100km out of the XR6T driving to work.

But you get more smiles per mile driving the XR6T

[simon varley]

until very recently there was a significant performance improvement with the diesel version of most sedans. Only in the last few years have the direct injection petrol engines really clawed their way back in this regard, and generally not in the volume sales areas.

[zdenko]

What a dumb article.
I would not call those dual cab utes passenger cars. They should be called light commercials and separated from the stats.
A lot of manufacturers have been getting rid of their diesel passenger cars in Australia. They were more popular when Petrol was over $1.50 per litre.
Now used ones don't even hold that much of a price premium over their petrol siblings as diesel is evil according the news. The news also says battery powered cars are the future, but where are we going to get all that Lithium from and what do we do with it when we write of the car later in its life??? I can see a major chemical contamination issue being a problem in the future.

I joined the diesel club by buying a used Pug 207 but it doesn't count in the stats.
The reason I did is after driving so many manual diesels in Europe.
I like the lazy driving experience. Mine makes peak torque at 1600-2400RPM and you can drive it down at 1200 RPM. Never need to rev it beyond 2000 RPM.
I'm liking my 5.0l per 100km vs the Falcon using 15L/100km on Gas. Now I only go to the servo every 2.5 weeks instead of every bloody Sunday. No rip off fuel cycle to contend with either unlike unleaded, same price everyday.
Servicing is costing me a tiny bit extra for Service parts and filters but are not expensive when you buy them from overseas and have the right mechanic. Mine is a Citroen/Peugeot specialist who is dirt cheap.

I don't get you guys complaining about Turbo lag. When was the last time you drove a modern design Turbo. Utes don't count as they run older simpler designs. Most diesels have variable vane turbos and petrols have twin scroll turbos these days. In mine as long as I'm above 1200 RPM boost just comes on very quickly.

[Brazen]

Diesels suck. Diesels belong in passenger cars as much as steam engines belong in airplanes.

[Vesper Martini]

What's Fords best seller here? that's right it only has a diesel.

[GASWAGON]

My old man just ordered a new Isuzu D-Max 6spd Manual which he has to wait until September for delivery as its being ordered from factory. (everyone else is buying auto which i reckon he should have also done).

3.0 ltr variable turbo, bullbar, towbar, sidesteps etc etc 45k with 5k trade in on old Hilux.

The Isuzu is about 15k cheaper than the new Hilux's.

[csv8]

I can get up too 700kms per 65l tank from my Captiva...No petrol engine can come close...

[ute83]

Originally Posted by csv8

I can get up too 700kms per 65l tank from my Captiva...No petrol engine can come close...

BS. My daughters 1.6 kuga does that plus more and would run rings around your craptiva. But in saying that we have just taken possession of a new Touareg and the driveline is insanely good. It's super quiet and has crazy power.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by csv8

I can get up too 700kms per 65l tank from my Captiva...No petrol engine can come close...

65L to do (up to) 700km is 9.3L/100km, nothing too amazing. I'd be willing to bet the petrol Mazda equivalent, The CX-5 could match or better that, and without the cheap interior plastics too.

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

I get less than 8 l/100km out of the BT50 versus 12 l/100km out of the XR6T driving to work.
Yes initial price of diesel motor is higher....yes service costs are higher...yes it is an oddball comparison.
But for vehicles of that size and weight it is pretty good.
It is my 1st diesel and people forget it is a completely different technology and it takes a while to adjust and get used to.

For some more comparisons, I do a 200km round trip to work, here is the real world fuel consumption results for a few vehicles:

My old BF Wagon egas - 14L/100km
Wifes Mazda CX-3 - 6.0L/100km
My old 2.8TD Jeep Wrangler - 12L/100km
My old 4.0TD Landcruiser - 13L/100km
Fathers Camry - 8.5L/100km
Fathers 5.0 Mustang - cracks into the 9-10L/100km
My Current 6.0 SS Wagon - 10.5L/100km

[Olbucko]

[QUOTE=mike_nofx;5982559]65L to do (up to) 700km is 9.3L/100km, nothing too amazing. I'd be willing to bet the petrol Mazda equivalent, The CX-5 could match or better that, and without the cheap interior plastics too.



For some more comparisons, I do a 200km round trip to work, here is the real world fuel consumption results for a few vehicles:

My old BF Wagon egas - 14L/100km
Wifes Mazda CX-3 - 6.0L/100km
My old 2.8TD Jeep Wrangler - 12L/100km
My old 4.0TD Landcruiser - 13L/100km
Fathers Camry - 8.5L/100km
Fathers 5.0 Mustang - cracks into the 9-10L/100km
My Current 6.0 SS Wagon - 10.5L/100km[/QUOTE

My FGX XR6 has averaged 9.3 L/100 km over the last 10,000 Km, 30% city, 70% country driving, and servicing for a falcon is about as cheap as it gets.

[Burnout]

Originally Posted by csv8

I can get up too 700kms per 65l tank from my Captiva...No petrol engine can come close...

My young bloke gets 700km on trips, he has big injectors & 520rwhp........

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by csv8

I can get up too 700kms per 65l tank from my Captiva...No petrol engine can come close...

Serious?
That's like $80 give or take.

I can get up to 1000kms per 116l tank from my BBQ gas powered Falcon @ 67cpl or $53 for the same 700k's.

LPG FTW

[OzJavelin]

Personally wouldn't bother with diesel unless you needed it in dualcab to tow stuff ..
.. high maintenance costs, weird-and-wonderful (expensive) emission controls (unless you are VW), sensitive to fuel quality, etc .. not necessarily worth the hassle.
Having said that, we have one and likely the next new vehicle will be another one because that's the only option.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by OzJavelin

Personally wouldn't bother with diesel unless you needed it in dualcab to tow stuff ..
.. high maintenance costs, weird-and-wonderful (expensive) emission controls (unless you are VW), sensitive to fuel quality, etc .. not necessarily worth the hassle.
Having said that, we have one and likely the next new vehicle will be another one because that's the only option.

Dpf replacement in the vw is 7k.