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11-04-2015, 09:46 PM | #1 | ||
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http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2015...44?csn_tn=true
Some legitimate concerns raised by MB but Im all for it we have dropped protections for locally made cars, so only seems fair we drop protections for local distributors. |
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11-04-2015, 10:01 PM | #2 | ||
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Come 2016 when Falcon is laid to rest, let us import whatever car we want. There's nothing left to protect and importers like MB Australia shouldnt be allowed to markup garden variety cars into "luxury" cars when they do no local r&d.
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11-04-2015, 10:56 PM | #3 | ||
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Scare tactics. The same could be said for any privately imported car.
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12-04-2015, 01:19 PM | #4 | |||
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It kills any incentive to buy new and keep for a while as within 5 years importers will have imported the same model driving down resale... If you think Euro depreciation is bad wait until they open the flood gates. For example BF Fairmont Ghia or VZ Calais commands a higher asking price than an E60 530/545i or E350/500 of the same year. Aussie cars NZ hold their value very well as Kiwi importers can't make money from them, which is why I had no worries buying a FG XR8 as I could probably get the same price for it 18 months on. I had a JK Wrangler and while I sold it to use the money for something else, I was lucky as I'd off loaded it before the importers got their hands on them, i guess if I were to sell the same Jeep now I'd be 1/3 down on my sale price as they are now arriving by the boat load. The idea of cheap imported RS6s, M5s, E63s etc may appeal, but in reality these heaps of **** will make up the LARGE majority of imports as they do in NZ.... |
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12-04-2015, 05:34 PM | #5 | |||
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17-04-2015, 10:08 AM | #6 | |||
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12-04-2015, 12:03 AM | #7 | ||
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simple the gov will do whatever s best for business's like usual **** the regular person they always come last.
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12-04-2015, 12:50 AM | #8 | ||
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They were rubbing their hands laughing that Ford, Holden and Toyota have gone under, less competition for them, no one in their market.
Now that they are the ones in the crosshairs they're coming out having a right old sook about it. |
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12-04-2015, 01:59 AM | #9 | ||
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Isn't it nice how MB seem to have nothing but concern and the best intentions for us the consumer.
They could of at least protested with a little less blatant self focus. What an odd thing for MB to make public!!! |
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12-04-2015, 01:56 AM | #10 | ||
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So....
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12-04-2015, 08:54 AM | #11 | ||
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And it's funny how MB have their own used vehicle importing arm
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17-04-2015, 11:33 AM | #12 | ||
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I can't speak for other brands but I've examined BMW international pricing in detail and the difference is actually not as much as it seems. What they make money on overseas is optioning. The base prices you see overseas are the bog standard cars without options - and they're pretty minimalistic and you'd get more as standard on a bog Toyota.
In Australia they can't successfully sell these base models, because all other brands nowadays have the options as part of the standard kit. So when BMW import cars into Australia they're pre-loaded with a wide range of options in order to be attractive and competitive and are sold in this way as "base" models. Naturally there are still a number of further options in the catalogue that buyers can add if they want to. I'm not saying there still isn't an element of "premium" gouge, but the discrepancy isn't as much as it appears. |
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17-04-2015, 01:41 PM | #14 | ||
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This wouldn't be an issue if prices were comparable to begin with.
Being charged double and close to triple in some instances (Porsche) is the reason the dealers are whingeing - of course buyers will start importing. Taking into account vehicle options, the $AUD and our small market still doesn't justify a disparity of this magnitude. Sharpen up your pricing and quick or risk losing everything - surely there is a decent profit still to be made. |
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17-04-2015, 02:38 PM | #15 | |||
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17-04-2015, 02:48 PM | #16 | |||
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I admit I was looking at the "lower end" of their range rather than the upper end. They would operate on the principle that if people have money to throw around, then they don't mind how much they throw around. |
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17-04-2015, 07:49 PM | #17 | ||
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Talk back radio yesterday was saying that these rules will only help those who purchase high end cars, not the cheaper end.. So again laws being changed to suit the rich end of town.
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18-04-2015, 12:46 PM | #18 | |||
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LHD - they are about $7,000 cheaper in USA where they are built. In Germany, LHD with the same options loaded, about $2,000 cheaper than Australia. So really not that much difference. I think in some sectors of the market these manufacturers want to be price-competitive, but at the top end the buyers are rich and they get away more with charging what they want. I think it's true that direct import will only benefit the high end buyers. For the majority of us, there are much bigger gouging issues in Australia to worry about (starting with food prices) than the cost of cars. |
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17-04-2015, 11:20 PM | #19 | ||
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A complete accident damage M3 can be had for mid-teens USD. Always wondered if that plus a $12k povvo pack aus-delivered 320i repmobile would make a cheap fun cruiser and track weapon.
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17-04-2015, 11:39 AM | #20 | ||
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I think there is certainly something bogus with the way cars are priced in Australia.
In saying that I dont think this is the answer as such. Its going to create a mine field in the used car market. The biggest thing to note for me is if this goes ahead what a joke ADR's have been all this time which most of us knew.
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17-04-2015, 11:54 AM | #21 | |||
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ADR's have always been double standard. How many years did Australian manufactured cars dutifully fit rear lap sash seatbelts while cars like Honda Odessey could be imported with dangerous lap belts only? |
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17-04-2015, 11:41 AM | #22 | ||
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Will this relax existing import laws for second hand cars, for example Jap Imports? They have to be on the SEVS list before you can import them and you can't import what a manufacturer sold in our market.
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17-04-2015, 02:34 PM | #23 | ||
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17-04-2015, 12:25 PM | #24 | ||
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In NZ imported BMW's would come from Japan, but mostly you will see strange looking people movers like the Nissan above.
An importer will bring in what he can sell, The High end Euro market sell to people with Money, mostly they will still buy new
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17-04-2015, 12:45 PM | #25 | ||
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As long as law is bought in that if people privately import a car that:
a. It's already manufactured as RHD b. The importer (broker or individual) pays to have it converted to RHD Then I don't have an issue with it as they will have to self warrant parts and running costs.
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18-04-2015, 10:19 PM | #26 | ||
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c. allow LHD cars ahead of a switch to changing which side of the road we drive on.
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19-04-2015, 06:43 AM | #27 | ||
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20-04-2015, 12:27 PM | #28 | ||
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Would cause much more **** ache than having the importer paying out of their pocket to convert to RHD.
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17-04-2015, 01:43 PM | #29 | ||
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It might mean dealers will take a hit but it will prop up specialized garages to maintain the cars if dealerships refuse.
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17-04-2015, 01:55 PM | #30 | ||
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High end dealers will be kicking up a stink because it will eat into their profits. If somebody can get a 911 from overseas cheaper its certainly going to worth investigating. That will bring down the second hand value of cars here as well, another revenue hit for dealers. They will be worth more if they are Australian delivered but all of a sudden high end second hand values become a lot more affordable.
Couple of examples Bought in NZ http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used...-846114610.htm IN Australia http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/de...16843384/?Cr=0 Another one NZ http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used...-823801127.htm Australia http://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/de...17401775/?Cr=1 Thats just a couple of examples quickly on the net from our next door neighbours. Transporting a car over the ditch is only $2k. There will be issues in terms of history and what not but people will definitely take the risk second hand and companies will pop up that specialise in sourcing overseas cars, buying them new and then selling that brand new car to Aussie clients. My partners farther in NZ bought a Japanese 3 series that had been written off there. It was dirt cheap and fixed up so you couldn't tell and all of a sudden he is the man about town with his new Beemer and it had cost him bugger all He certainly felt like he was winning. Only thing they had to do was change the radio to receive the correct frequencies. It will be a minefield but some nice cars will certainly become affordable. I dont think too many people will take a punt with Entry level cars like a 3 series or C class, but AMG and M cars? The other side of the token though is all the ****boxes that will find their way in. Old Jap cars etc.
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