Go for 6% more power or leave it?

**Stav** · 07-03-2008, 08:32 PM

As the thread says..I have a mod up my sleeve that can give me up to 6% increase in power across the board.Should I try it or leave the car alone? All mods have the risk of going backwards.

What do you guys think?

poolkeeper · 07-03-2008, 08:33 PM

Leave it, wait for a superb night, to run down the strip.

Jeeepers · 07-03-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Stav

As the thread says..I have a mod up my sleeve that can give me up to 6% increase in power across the board.Should I try it or leave the car alone? All mods have the risk of going backwards.

What do you guys think?

I think it would depend on the cost really. If you had 200kw it would be about a 16kw gain (I think?) Weigh that up with the cost of this mod, and any possible damage that could result. My 2 cents.

LPGUTE · 07-03-2008, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ORSMT

I think it would depend on the cost really. If you had 200kw it would be about a 16kw gain (I think?) Weigh that up with the cost of this mod, and any possible damage that could result. My 2 cents.

no it would be 12kw.

Jeeepers · 07-03-2008, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LPGUTE

no it would be 12kw.

It's funny how my maths takes a nose dive, when stubbies abound.

**Stav** · 07-03-2008, 09:12 PM

Stubbies actually make maths fun..as long as you dont druive after..

Jeeepers · 07-03-2008, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Stav

Stubbies actually make maths fun..as long as you dont druive after..

True, you should never drink and drive, it's too easy to spill.

LPGUTE · 07-03-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ORSMT

It's funny how my maths takes a nose dive, when stubbies abound.

lolz don't worry i used a calculator

StealthAu · 07-03-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by LPGUTE

lolz don't worry i used a calculator

6% of 100 is 6....double it

**Stav** · 07-03-2008, 09:07 PM

Its going great but could go better. To many have come undone this way...Its generally harder to get back to if you stuff it...This is a tough call..

Black XR · 07-03-2008, 09:47 PM

Do It Stav Do It

LPGUTE · 07-03-2008, 10:33 PM

ya anyway i had a look and from what i know stav wagon have 141kw so it would come out to about 150kw, so...i think you should go for it.

66 coupe · 08-03-2008, 12:19 AM

that mod would cost you 6%. The amount of heat in that part of the engine bay will have negative effects on performance. You need to get the coldest possible air into the engine whereas that mod, your getting hot air from above the exhaust, and straight from the radiator fan into the engine.

JMO · 08-03-2008, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 66 coupe

that mod would cost you 6%. The amount of heat in that part of the engine bay will have negative effects on performance. You need to get the coldest possible air into the engine whereas that mod, your getting hot air from above the exhaust, and straight from the radiator fan into the engine.

He wasn't being serious. Some idiot is selling the car on eBay.

For $80 the upgrade MUST be a stripe kit

Doogstar · 08-03-2008, 01:01 AM

6% increase for $80? I'll take two please Stav.

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I have spent more than that for less.

Surely it must be something that can be undone if it doesn't work out?

The Monty · 08-03-2008, 05:00 AM

Couple of litres of Race fuel?

StealthAu · 08-03-2008, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Stav

As the thread says..I have a mod up my sleeve that can give me up to 6% increase in power across the board.Should I try it or leave the car alone? All mods have the risk of going backwards.

What do you guys think?

I can't see how anyone can help you with any worth while advice when you don't mention what the mod is. If it some sort of secert then really what is the point of this thread? Not only that but odds are if you said what it was there would be a fair chance one or more people here would of had some sort of experiance in whatever it is.

GK · 08-03-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by private9

I'm intrigued...! Is it this?!

Don't do it! LOL!

GK

**Stav** · 08-03-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by stockoau

I can't see how anyone can help you with any worth while advice when you don't mention what the mod is. If it some sort of secert then really what is the point of this thread? Not only that but odds are if you said what it was there would be a fair chance one or more people here would of had some sort of experiance in whatever it is.

Its not about the mod .It is about the politics. Potential to screw up a car that obviously is running pretty well at the potential gain of 6%. I suppose that if I stuff it I can return it to unmodified...with alot of elbow grease.

Well I have thought long and hard about it.I can run the car as is this season and then just modify a spare on the garage floor.I cn stick it on after I run it and then can see how good my idea is. Don't let curiosity kill the cat. if it works out I am thinking as hobby that I might start porting heads for you blokes and shipping them out with a decent cam.

StealthAu · 08-03-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stav

Its not about the mod .It is about the politics. Potential to screw up a car that obviously is running pretty well at the potential gain of 6%. I suppose that if I stuff it I can return it to unmodified...with alot of elbow grease.

Well I have thought long and hard about it.I can run the car as is this season and then just modify a spare on the garage floor.I cn stick it on after I run it and then can see how good my idea is. Don't let curiosity kill the cat. if it works out I am thinking as hobby that I might start porting heads for you blokes and shipping them out with a decent cam.

All the same you are asking peoples opinions on if you should or shouldn't do a mod you are not mentioning, it doesn't bother me that you don't want to spill the beans, I just can't see how someone could advise one way or the other without knowing what it is. Some people will just say do it, improve power, but without knowing what it is and the possible out comes any advise of the sort is worthless.

**Stav** · 08-03-2008, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stockoau

All the same you are asking peoples opinions on if you should or shouldn't do a mod you are not mentioning, it doesn't bother me that you don't want to spill the beans, I just can't see how someone could advise one way or the other without knowing what it is. Some people will just say do it, improve power, but without knowing what it is and the possible out comes any advise of the sort is worthless.

Nar the advice has been good.Its been a help...its all good...Thanks heaps....heheh
Stav

Dauphin · 08-03-2008, 09:27 AM

It's not one of those silly eBay electric intake superchargers I mentioned???

**Stav** · 08-03-2008, 09:48 AM

Nar its just obvious stuff which none of the au boys really concentrate on....

To go fast we need fuel, air ,fire and to not plug it all up ..an exhaust.Thats it!!
After reading thousands of technical reference books with maths/theory that boggles ones mind I realised that they just derail our basic journey. Have fun and don't complicate things.

blackers10 · 08-03-2008, 05:01 PM

so your wanting to port it.. grab a pile of them and just practice lots

as im pretty sure the one thing AU owners dont do is head work..

or go nuts with cold air induction..
i think a Liberty scoop would be good rather than the shaker or long pipeing

trick_xd · 08-03-2008, 08:09 PM

Stav
I don't normally post in threads BUT
I like reading your story's they always make me laugh.
But trying to chase cheap power is what every car guy in the world wants to do .
I think you ether have to Harden up and just do stuff... and don't give a crap what people on here say and try things your self if it works great , if not , stuff it and try something else.

P.S. you can get over 20 rwHP from less then 200$ if you can do stuff your self . ( yes I read you do all your own work)

**Stav** · 10-03-2008, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by trick_xd

Stav
I don't normally post in threads BUT
I like reading your story's they always make me laugh.
But trying to chase cheap power is what every car guy in the world wants to do .
I think you ether have to Harden up and just do stuff... and don't give a crap what people on here say and try things your self if it works great , if not , stuff it and try something else.

P.S. you can get over 20 rwHP from less then 200$ if you can do stuff your self . ( yes I read you do all your own work)

Trick..I know exactly what to do.

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LG · 09-03-2008, 11:25 AM

Not worth it.. For the effort and the practicallity of setting something up to constantly give cold air. Bonnet scoops look crap, unless it's a EL sequential on an EL.

Leave it as it is.

LG · 09-03-2008, 12:15 PM

For a proper intake, you can't get much better than a SS Inductions Scoop, with a little deflector in your grill. Then a Pod filter, linked up to a 3" Intake pipe (which you should only look at if your already making over 150rwkw).

You could experiment with throttle bodies, but for the price of them, you are just spending way more $$$ than the kw's are worth. And even then, you are mostly just doing it for throttle response, more so than power.

I think we've just come to a limit with the good ole OHC 6Cyl. Cam, exhaust & snorkal & edit. There's not much more you can do in terms of power. If you want more speed, get some lightweight rims, and pick up a fibreglass bonnet, and unbolt anything you don't need. And go for some lappies around the block and lose some weight, lol.

Your setup in a sedan, would be running close to a flat 14, which is the benchmark in reality.

Just my 2c.

The Monty · 09-03-2008, 01:52 PM

Go for it Stav, I think a scoop and intake straight into the throttle body would be and is great.
I was going to go the shaker, regardless of all the whingey cry babies on this forum, but ended up with the intake pipe I have now, so went with that instead.
The gains wont show up on a Dyno, so be prepared for all the idiots on here telling you it wont work, or no proof has been shown on a dyno, screw the dyno.
Rob, the guy with the XR6 with the shaker, swears by it, and it makes 100% sense.
If you drive, and air goes into an intake, it is going to be getting forced in at a greater speed, relative to the speed you are driving.
More air/fuel/spark = more power, you already have the smartest exhaust out there, a three inch, making the exhaust flow as little impeded as possible.
The only probs I can think of, are how to stop the air being forced in when off the throttle, and how to test if the car is leaning out at speed due to the air being forced in, as you wont be able to check it on the dyno, but seing as you tune yoursefl atm that wont matter, you should be able to log it on the laptop, and check it after each adjustment you make.

As for the vagueness of your threads, I love it, Keeps people interested, and keeps people on thier toes so they see what your doing next.
If people dont like that, they dont have to reply to your threads.

Josh

StealthAu · 09-03-2008, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monty

Go for it Stav, I think a scoop and intake straight into the throttle body would be and is great.
I was going to go the shaker, regardless of all the whingey cry babies on this forum, but ended up with the intake pipe I have now, so went with that instead.
The gains wont show up on a Dyno, so be prepared for all the idiots on here telling you it wont work, or no proof has been shown on a dyno, screw the dyno.
Rob, the guy with the XR6 with the shaker, swears by it, and it makes 100% sense.
If you drive, and air goes into an intake, it is going to be getting forced in at a greater speed, relative to the speed you are driving.
More air/fuel/spark = more power, you already have the smartest exhaust out there, a three inch, making the exhaust flow as little impeded as possible.
The only probs I can think of, are how to stop the air being forced in when off the throttle, and how to test if the car is leaning out at speed due to the air being forced in, as you wont be able to check it on the dyno, but seing as you tune yoursefl atm that wont matter, you should be able to log it on the laptop, and check it after each adjustment you make.

As for the vagueness of your threads, I love it, Keeps people interested, and keeps people on thier toes so they see what your doing next.
If people dont like that, they dont have to reply to your threads.

Josh

With scoops, shakers or otherwise it isn't just about fourcing air in, but you are also getting air from the coolest area possible, outside of the engine bay, and with a minimal track to the throttle body you are also limiting issues with heat soak.