Speed Cameras - Instant speed and average

sexyxe · 25-05-2007, 03:36 PM

hey everyone,
about 3 weeks ago i had a fortnight off work so i took the ride home from Canberra to Traralgon as i do down the Hume as i stay the night in Melbourne, otherwise its down through Cann River.
ANYWAY, i got really stuffed around the night i was leaving (friday night) and didnt end up leaving here - Canberra - till 1830 h, i was angry and i wanted to be home with family and friends so, whilst going home i sped.
I ride a 06 Yamaha R6, and i know that on the Hume highway as you enter Melbourne they have the cameras which take instant speed like a normal camera but also average the time it takes between cameras and works out your speed inbetween - stops speeding in between and then braking and passing through at the limit.
I know that there is cameras both in and out of Melbourne - 4 leaving and 6 going in.
I was tired, about 2230 h and i had made alot of time. I did the right thing and did the speed limit through the first 5 cameras till i reached what i thought was the last camera, obviously not, and i sped back up to around 190km/h, yes it stupid, yes i deserve what ever i get, i know that i did wrong.
I passed through the gap in the 5th and 6th camera at said speed and as i got close to camera 6 i saw it in the knick of time and slowed down to the limit, obviously in between in was speeding by alot.
I was wondering if anyone can help me with my question which is - How accurate are the cameras, will i recieve anything in the mail as i passed the cameras at the correct speed but incorrect inbetween, i have an ACT licence but was caught in Vic, heard it can be a little more lenient as im an 'out of stater', and how long should i wait for a letter if its coming, what should i be expecting if it arrives, ie:court, fine, jail??
i have a clean record, am a member of defence and am generally a good person.
im crapping my pants whilst waiting for this letter.
anyone wanna put me outta my missery would be great

Walkinshaw · 25-05-2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sexyxe

hey everyone,
about 3 weeks ago i had a fortnight off work so i took the ride home from Canberra to Traralgon as i do down the Hume as i stay the night in Melbourne, otherwise its down through Cann River.
ANYWAY, i got really stuffed around the night i was leaving (friday night) and didnt end up leaving here - Canberra - till 1830 h, i was angry and i wanted to be home with family and friends so, whilst going home i sped.
I ride a 06 Yamaha R6, and i know that on the Hume highway as you enter Melbourne they have the cameras which take instant speed like a normal camera but also average the time it takes between cameras and works out your speed inbetween - stops speeding in between and then braking and passing through at the limit.
I know that there is cameras both in and out of Melbourne - 4 leaving and 6 going in.
I was tired, about 2230 h and i had made alot of time. I did the right thing and did the speed limit through the first 5 cameras till i reached what i thought was the last camera, obviously not, and i sped back up to around 190km/h, yes it stupid, yes i deserve what ever i get, i know that i did wrong.
I passed through the gap in the 5th and 6th camera at said speed and as i got close to camera 6 i saw it in the knick of time and slowed down to the limit, obviously in between in was speeding by alot.
I was wondering if anyone can help me with my question which is - How accurate are the cameras, will i recieve anything in the mail as i passed the cameras at the correct speed but incorrect inbetween, i have an ACT licence but was caught in Vic, heard it can be a little more lenient as im an 'out of stater', and how long should i wait for a letter if its coming, what should i be expecting if it arrives, ie:court, fine, jail??
i have a clean record, am a member of defence and am generally a good person.
im crapping my pants whilst waiting for this letter.
anyone wanna put me outta my missery would be great

No they wont be lenient
The cameras would be deadly accurate.
If your average speed through an average speed trap was above 130 (assuming you were in a 100 zone) there is a VERY VERY high chance you will loose your licence outright.

Outbackjack · 25-05-2007, 03:51 PM

What you were doing (190K) other than it was night time, and we all know about wild life, was not dangerous. You are probably an expereinced rider, so the speed was not the danger. This has been proved here in the NT. The only danger was, like I said, wild life.

This why Australian road laws are so very stupid and designed to raise money, if it happens to safe a life , then that is just a bonus.

You should have acidentally got a coat or something wrapped around your number plate.

05MkIIFutura · 28-05-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

You are probably an expereinced rider, so the speed was not the danger. This has been proved here in the NT. The only danger was, like I said, wild life.

This why Australian road laws are so very stupid and designed to raise money, if it happens to safe a life , then that is just a bonus.

Are you kidding??

Have you driven on the Hume Hwy on a Friday night??

Mate we dont all live in a state that is empty of traffic.

That was not an insult, just an observation.

Outbackjack · 28-05-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 05MkIIFutura

Are you kidding??

Have you driven on the Hume Hwy on a Friday night??

Mate we dont all live in a state that is empty of traffic.

That was not an insult, just an observation.

Horses for courses. And yes I have driven the Hume hwy many times. A couple of weeks ago I drove from MLB to Canberra. The hume was full of frightened little people with white knuckles and staring at their speedo's like it was a porn movie. Great way to improve road safety.

So, you agree that its not the speed that is the main issue and it comes back to driver confidence and skill. I believe that is what I was saying.

DivHunter · 25-05-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

The cameras would be deadly accurate.

Everyone's a comedian.

devilcv8 · 25-05-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Walkinshaw

there is a VERY VERY high chance you will loose your licence outright.

as he has an ACT license and victoria can't take his ACT license off him there is a very good chance that apart from a fine (maybe a court date) all that vic can do is remove his right to drive in victoria.

jaydee · 25-05-2007, 03:50 PM

OMG, 190 kays, on a bike, no second chances there if you have the slightest thing go wrong, some people will only learn the hard way.

Outbackjack · 25-05-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee

OMG, 190 kays, on a bike, no second chances there if you have the slightest thing go wrong, some people will only learn the hard way.

Before jan 07 190k was a slow speed on the roads out here, especially for bikes. How many times have you read about dead motor cyclists on the NT roads? Sadly you have been brain washed by revenue lustful governments. That was not an insult, just an observation.

jaydee · 25-05-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

Before jan 07 190k was a slow speed on the roads out here, especially for bikes. How many times have you read about dead motor cyclists on the NT roads? Sadly you have been brain washed by revenue lustful governments. That was not an insult, just an observation.

No I'm not talking from a revenue side, I'm just saying 190 on a bike is excessive in any language and there are too many variables on a bike, no second chances. You hit a bee swarm in your car, no worries, on a bike, thats different. Someone changes lanes on you because 2 seconds ago you weren't in their mirror then suddenly there's a bike.
Don't know about NT roads for dead motor cycles but here in WA it's over 20 this year.
I'm just speaking from experience on road bikes, gave them away when I got a family and found myself doing silly things and too many near misses.

Take out a good insurance policy for your family too.

DOC · 25-05-2007, 04:01 PM

There's a new One, you saying they have average speed cameras now ?, cant wait SA will follow soon.

LTDterri · 25-05-2007, 04:38 PM

Sorry to say I think your gone. As a native Victorian we live with these camera's every day and the new ones introduced on the Hume Hwy are average speed type that take your photo regardless of your speed then take another at the next camera, estimate your speed and if you have done point A to point B in less time that is allowed for 110km per hour zone you are stuffed. Victorian government makes s^*t loads from camera's. Having said all this....190.....what were you thinking

Outbackjack · 25-05-2007, 04:57 PM

Say no more......

http://www.photoblocker.com.au/

Ringo · 25-05-2007, 05:09 PM

Does that photo blocker stuff work?

Outbackjack · 25-05-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ringo

Does that photo blocker stuff work?

Its hard to tell. I certainly haven't gone out of my way to test it in a real life situation. But it is impossible to take a photo with a digital camera using a flash further than about 8 meters away from the plate. I know that for sure as I HAVE tested that.

kooky · 25-05-2007, 05:41 PM

Can some one explain to me how these estimated speed camera's work?

you pass through each camera and it takes your photo each time for every car. Then there is someone/something checking each photo for the time and car etc...... how many cars pass down the Hume each day...... X 5 photos...... sounds far fetched, has anybody got any proof of how these actually work?

jaydee · 25-05-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by kooky

Can some one explain to me how these estimated speed camera's work?

you pass through each camera and it takes your photo each time for every car. Then there is someone/something checking each photo for the time and car etc...... how many cars pass down the Hume each day...... X 5 photos...... sounds far fetched, has anybody got any proof of how these actually work?

Saw it on our favourite show, ACA, they're called POINT TO POINT cameras and they can cover all the lanes, read your rego plates as you pass through camera A then when you go through camera B it reads your rego again, computer figures out how long you took to travel that distance (which might be a couple of kays) and can tell if you were speeding on an average.
Then you get a nice letter from the revenue gatherers in the mail.

Good luck over there and glad we don't have them in WA, yet...

05MkIIFutura · 28-05-2007, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kooky

Can some one explain to me how these estimated speed camera's work?

you pass through each camera and it takes your photo each time for every car. Then there is someone/something checking each photo for the time and car etc...... how many cars pass down the Hume each day...... X 5 photos...... sounds far fetched, has anybody got any proof of how these actually work?

You have got it right.

It has been used on Trucks (Safe-T-Cam) for years and years.

It works.

SupahStah · 25-05-2007, 05:56 PM

they are called TODC. time over distance cameras. they take the time it would normally take eg 5 minutes between the 2 cameras and if u go below that, they work out the average speed you would be going and charge you for it. but you chances are 50/50 as they dont get ALL of the people that pass through the cameras. you might be lucky, like you were at 190

sexyxe · 25-05-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SupahStah

they are called TODC. time over distance cameras. they take the time it would normally take eg 5 minutes between the 2 cameras and if u go below that, they work out the average speed you would be going and charge you for it. but you chances are 50/50 as they dont get ALL of the people that pass through the cameras. you might be lucky, like you were at 190

i didnt pass through at 190, i did the limit... when i told my mates and my mum - who hates bikes - they all said that i should have sped up, over 200 isnt readable(??) or something at the time i didnt think of that, however i should have, or i should have stopped on the side of the road, but it wasnt really on the top of my mind at the time

trimmaster · 25-05-2007, 10:55 PM

Being on a bike you could have made sure you didn't drive on the sensors that are in the road that set the cams off.
There is not enough room to do it in a car but I reckon a bike could miss them.

xrdreaming · 25-05-2007, 06:01 PM

They don't use flashes anymore either, they are infra red at night so photo blocker is useless.

More than 45 kph over the limit in Victoria is now also classed as a hoon related offence and you lose your car/bike for 48 hours for a first offence, not sure how they would go about it interstate though, let us know what happens.

Hibbz · 25-05-2007, 06:28 PM

one thing i dont understand how can they take a photo of someone travelling at 110kph and also take one of someone travelling at say 250kph the two cars would be in very different places when the it takes the photo.

One thing i did see the other day was a bloke on a harley that over took me doing about 130kph as we were coming up to a set of cameras "i laughed thinking he was a idiot and was going to get flashed" but as he went under the bridge (camera's were on the other side) we put his hand behind the bike and covered his numberplate i couldn't beleive it very funny to watch.

Thanks Jake

Outbackjack · 25-05-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by xrdreaming

They don't use flashes anymore either, they are infra red at night so photo blocker is useless.

More than 45 kph over the limit in Victoria is now also classed as a hoon related offence and you lose your car/bike for 48 hours for a first offence, not sure how they would go about it interstate though, let us know what happens.

Infra red is easier to block than a flash camera. Think to yourself 15+ sun screen. No matter what the revenue police throw at us , us geeks wil find a barrier.

sexyxe · 25-05-2007, 09:42 PM

whoa..so far im sort of not shitting my dacks as much now.... BUT i have a ACT car licence, VIC motorbike licence as they wouldnt transfer it on the day for some BS paper reason. So i am waiting on my VIC licence to be transfered...im hopin that they get it transfered up before then....
I know 190 is stupid. But on a bike its pretty casual, as OUTBACKJACK said it isnt a speed thing that kills people, i could obviously see other cars, wasnt a fear of other cars, bike stops in 46mtrs from 100 - 0 km/h, more near 75 for 200 km/h.
The odds of falling are low, animals are low, but it is still there, its one of those things were at the time it doesnt seem dumb

uranium_death · 25-05-2007, 11:52 PM

Personally, I do not care what is perceived to be safe.
The fact remains is that we have road laws. You may be experienced, but others are not and they are the ones who get themselves killed. 18-24 year old driver fatalities speak for that. We also cannot have separate speed limits for motorcycles and four-wheel-plus vehicles.

My closing statement is that rather than try to fool cameras, just drive at the recommended speed.

Outbackjack · 26-05-2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by uranium_death

Personally, I do not care what is perceived to be safe.
The fact remains is that we have road laws. You may be experienced, but others are not and they are the ones who get themselves killed. 18-24 year old driver fatalities speak for that. We also cannot have separate speed limits for motorcycles and four-wheel-plus vehicles.

My closing statement is that rather than try to fool cameras, just drive at the recommended speed.

The vast majority of drivers drive at the posted speed limit and do not go out of their way to break the law. Most people here are against speed camera's because we all know that are prone to make mistakes and we all know that driving with your eyes glued to the speedo is dangerous. By the sounds of your posts this is what you do. This would mke you a dangerous driver, but hey, you probably wont get a speed camera fine. I am glad that you dont drive around here.

outback_ute · 27-05-2007, 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Outbackjack

The vast majority of drivers drive at the posted speed limit and do not go out of their way to break the law. Most people here are against speed camera's because we all know that are prone to make mistakes and we all know that driving with your eyes glued to the speedo is dangerous. By the sounds of your posts this is what you do. This would mke you a dangerous driver, but hey, you probably wont get a speed camera fine. I am glad that you dont drive around here.

The biggest issue I see (apart from the whole illegal thing) is that the other traffic on the road will not be expecting to have a bike closing on them at double their speed, and might cause a bit of a fright or worse for sexyxe, only need to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

FPV8U · 27-05-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by outback_ute

The biggest issue I see (apart from the whole illegal thing) is that the other traffic on the road will not be expecting to have a bike closing on them at double their speed, and might cause a bit of a fright or worse for sexyxe, only need to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Not that we need to get into details but i don't think Sexyxe would be passing cars at 190Km/h.

Bud Bud · 28-05-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by outback_ute

The biggest issue I see (apart from the whole illegal thing) is that the other traffic on the road will not be expecting to have a bike closing on them at double their speed, and might cause a bit of a fright or worse for sexyxe, only need to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

It happens. I was travelling (meandering) east along the SE freeway about 10 kms short of Murray Bridge about 2 years ago and I was still in the R/H lane after I had overtaken a truck a short while before. I should of drifted back into the L/H lane by then but hadn't quite gotten around to it.

As I was going along I obligatory looked into my rear view mirror but all I could see was the red/orange/yellow glow of the sunset lighting up my mirror. Although I was cruising around 110 kp/h and thought I was alone on the road, for no apparent reason I felt uncomfortable about changing back to the L/H lane.

As I was contemplating the brightness of the sunset, A flash of red Porsche Boxter burst pass me in the L/H in what would of been around 180 - 200 + kp/h. I never saw him coming at all, and If I was lazy or if I did not listen to my instinct, I could of quite easily of drifted back into the L/H lane. He would never have been able to avoid me at that speed. It left my family and I in a little bit of shock!

The only thing I could not work out was surely the driver of the Porsche had the same blinding sunset in his mirror and surely he would of know that he was pushing the boundaries and that no one would be able to see him coming in their mirrors? Surely?

The problem with excess speed is that the driver of these machines think that everybody else around them knows what these speeding drivers are thinking and doing, and therefore would be in a position to make allowances for them.