Hsv Gts-r 2008

RS500 · 08-10-2007, 10:16 PM

Not sure if this has been posted yet (as i hardly come on here nowadays) but HSV have a launched planned for the Melbourne Motorshow next march with a HSV GTS-R (limited numbers)

7L LS6 -- 380Kw

no mention on pricing just yet

sorry FPV but if you are doing a limited edition this is what you do not just a different style of stripe

Deadman · 08-10-2007, 10:19 PM

Is pretty old news. First news released over 4 months ago I think (from memory...) Don't know if it's got it's own thread though...

Pricetag is expected to be over $100k (i.e. even around $125k or so...)

tapeworm · 08-10-2007, 11:46 PM

Well GTHO has gotta eclipse this to be respectable. lol.

Bent8 · 09-10-2007, 12:19 AM

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Not sure if this has been posted yet (as i hardly come on here nowadays) but HSV have a launched planned for the Melbourne Motorshow next march with a HSV GTS-R (limited numbers)

7L LS6 -- 380Kw

Pfft...that would have nothing on a GT-P running an 8psi PD blower...

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GM should really learn how to tune their engines and not just re-bore them every 6mths and brag about how much power they have.

Just to compare, the Merc AMG 6.2L makes the same power(and torque) as the GM 7.0L LS6...just pathetic if you ask me.

XR Martin · 09-10-2007, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bent8

Just to compare, the Merc AMG 6.2L makes the same power(and torque) as the GM 7.0L LS6...just pathetic if you ask me.

And costs how much? Also with minor mods the LS7 is picking up an easy 100hp.

kpcart · 09-10-2007, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bent8

Pfft...that would have nothing on a GT-P running an 8psi PD blower...

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GM should really learn how to tune their engines and not just re-bore them every 6mths and brag about how much power they have.

Just to compare, the Merc AMG 6.2L makes the same power(and torque) as the GM 7.0L LS6...just pathetic if you ask me.

pfft yourselft, you think you cant also mod the hsv???? you cant quote production car specs versus modded car specs, as anyone can modify anything to make it better then the next car. why dont you compare mercs and bmw engines to your ford engine?? huh?? its not just pathetic as you think, the numbers speak for themselves, and ford has a lot of work to do if they are to release a product to compete with the 7.0L HSV, and i dont think hsv cares about backyard jobs with 8psi blowers as that is not the market they are competing in.

RG · 09-10-2007, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kpcart

pfft yourselft, you think you cant also mod the hsv???? you cant quote production car specs versus modded car specs, as anyone can modify anything to make it better then the next car. why dont you compare mercs and bmw engines to your ford engine?? huh?? its not just pathetic as you think, the numbers speak for themselves, and ford has a lot of work to do if they are to release a product to compete with the 7.0L HSV, and i dont think hsv cares about backyard jobs with 8psi blowers as that is not the market they are competing in.

Pfft back at ya, it's not really a production model. It's a special edition limited release.

I can think of a lot of other cars that are of a higher quality all round for 125k.

ClevlndStemer · 09-10-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RedXR347

Pfft back at ya, it's not really a production model. It's a special edition limited release.

I can think of a lot of other cars that are of a higher quality all round for 125k.

Is the car being built by HSV? I consider it to be a production car. Based on your logic the cobra falcon is not a production car either as it is a limited edition, so was the GT 40th anniversary edition, etc.

This HSV will be a monster, I don't expect anything from FPV to counteract this car, god how long did it take them to extract 12kw from the GT? HSV have it all over FPV in terms of V8 performance cars. Sad but true.

Problem with this place is too many people are clutching at straws, bagging HSV with really immature comments. Who cares where HSV get the engine from, it works and it works bloody well. What happens if (more so when) FPV start getting crate engines?? Wasn't the 5.4 in the Ford range a crate engine? If it works then why not use it, why waste money re inventing the wheel?? In FPV's it certainly was a waste.

Powdered Toast Man · 09-10-2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kpcart

pfft yourselft, you think you cant also mod the hsv???? you cant quote production car specs versus modded car specs, as anyone can modify anything to make it better then the next car. why dont you compare mercs and bmw engines to your ford engine?? huh?? its not just pathetic as you think, the numbers speak for themselves, and ford has a lot of work to do if they are to release a product to compete with the 7.0L HSV, and i dont think hsv cares about backyard jobs with 8psi blowers as that is not the market they are competing in.

Ford aren't doing too bad considering that the Boss 290 makes as much power as the VZ 6L HSVs with over half a litre less capacity.

This will be a hero car for HSV more so than a regular model since it's only limited numbers and bloody expensive!! But then thats how Holden's marketing machine works.

Let HSV play the power game I say. A car isn't just about power and straight line grunt, even a performance car. I'll wait to see the reviews (because there is no way I could afford one lol). Either way it's a good thing for the aussie auto industry.

mcnews · 09-10-2007, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Bent8

Just to compare, the Merc AMG 6.2L makes the same power(and torque) as the GM 7.0L LS6...just pathetic if you ask me.

You are kidding right? And how much do you pay for the Merc?

Ryan · 09-10-2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

You are kidding right? And how much do you pay for the Merc?

Not to mention they have alot more money, and R & D to play around with.

380KW from a 7L is pretty good. Remember it's naturally aspirated, and probably doesn't have the same stresses, as a smaller capacity engine, making the same power and torque. Imagine Nissan or Toyota pumping out that sort of power from a 2L 4 Cylinder? In theory it would seem more impressive, but the strain on the engine would be insane.

In saying that, maybe the yanks should get over the "Hey I know how we'll make more power, lets up the cubes" rubbish, but whatever works, works I guess.

mcnews · 09-10-2007, 03:51 PM

And thus more stomp off the bottom.

FalconXV · 09-10-2007, 12:23 AM

easily done. HSV is releasing this earlier than expected so Ford has a strategic advantage; this engine is the biggest gun in the GM armory (for now) . Ideal candidates for the new HOey include the GT(40) engine (Phase V?) and the impending Hurricane/Boss ( Phase VI?) ; like how the XW had two different Phases with two different engines... The recent Bathurst Blue Wash has set the ideal climate to release a fire breathing,snarling beast. It has to be done meticulously and very well engineered though.

ED Classic · 09-10-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by cboz

Well GTHO has gotta eclipse this to be respectable. lol.

Amen!!

I dont want to see FPV spending millions marketing a car that will sell anyway, just spend that money on the vehicle and its running gear and make it tougher than tough...Show it at the Motorshow and you will sell a couple of hundred (even at 120k) without trying...Theres no excuse if they are revviving the HO badge!!

FPV8U · 09-10-2007, 08:20 AM

Couldn't care less, HSV don't deserve any pat on the back, how much work have they done on any of their engines since 2000... oh thats right pop the lid of the crate.

3vXT · 09-10-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FPV8U

HSV don't deserve any pat on the back, how much work have they done on any of their engines since 2000... oh thats right pop the lid of the crate.

...and what exactly has FPV done? +12kw in how many years?

Does it really matter if HSV are building their V8's themselves or getting them elsewhere? They are still putting them in cars and selling them.

flappist · 09-10-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ken2903

...and what exactly has FPV done? +12kw in how many years?

Does it really matter if HSV are building their V8's themselves or getting them elsewhere? They are still putting them in cars and selling them.

Ummmm, well they did deliver what is STILL the fastest accellerating full size motor vehicle in history of the Australian motor industry.........

3vXT · 09-10-2007, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Ummmm, well they did deliver what is STILL the fastest accellerating full size motor vehicle in history of the Australian motor industry.........

So??? if it is so important why don't you put it in your signature.

The guy i quoted was suggesting that HSV don't deserve a pat on the back because they get their engines from a third party and i said that FPV aren't exactly shoveling out newer more powerful engines every week. The point i'm trying to make is that it doesn't really matter where the engines come from but feel free to plug your choice of car, even if it has next to nothing to do with it.

flappist · 09-10-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ken2903

So??? if it is so important why don't you put it in your signature.

The guy i quoted was suggesting that HSV don't deserve a pat on the back because they get their engines from a third party and i said that FPV aren't exactly shoveling out newer more powerful engines every week. The point i'm trying to make is that it doesn't really matter where the engines come from but feel free to plug your choice of car, even if it has next to nothing to do with it.

You stated that FPV have done nothing in the past umpteen years except add 12kw.

I suggest they have done more than that. They have produced the quickest full size motor vehicle that is now several models old and still holds the title despite several upgrades by the opposition.

This is not a good thing?
This is not something for Ford enthusiests to be proud of?

Don't turn this into and anti-turbo or 6v8 slanging match or it will be locked and deleted.

GT 4eva · 09-10-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by FPV8U

Couldn't care less, HSV don't deserve any pat on the back, how much work have they done on any of their engines since 2000... oh thats right pop the lid of the crate.

well said

Ryan · 09-10-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV8U

Couldn't care less, HSV don't deserve any pat on the back, how much work have they done on any of their engines since 2000... oh thats right pop the lid of the crate.

If FPV had the opportunity to use the Ford GT engine, do you think they would say no? HSV are taking advantage of having access to these monster GM motors. I think that's smart.

I don't know why people have a crack at HSV for using LS* engines. It's a GM motor for god's sake.

Why spend money on R & D, when the engine's right there waiting to be picked up and slotted into a HSV?

merlin · 09-10-2007, 09:59 AM

Pfft...

awesome.

Dave_au · 09-10-2007, 10:05 AM

I'm sure the HSV beancounters will sin bin the idea.

irlewy86 · 09-10-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RS500

sorry FPV but if you are doing a limited edition this is what you do not just a different style of stripe

The new Cobra comes with 302kw. Thats a bit more than a stripe package

MAGPIE · 09-10-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by irlewy86

The new Cobra comes with 302kw. Thats a bit more than a stripe package

No that's 12kW more than a stripe package, what an effort only took them 5 years :togo:

FORD3V · 09-10-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MAGPIE

No that's 12kW more than a stripe package, what an effort only took them 5 years :togo:

Hsv have had 300kw's since 2000,so they have managed 7kw's in 7 years.

TUF270 · 09-10-2007, 10:09 AM

i dont think this power war will ever stop....we will end up one day with stock xr8s and ss doing 10sec 1/4 miles straight outta the factory.....lol...400kws will be childs play...ha ha....

SB076 · 09-10-2007, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TUF240

i dont think this power war will ever stop....we will end up one day with stock xr8s and ss doing 10sec 1/4 miles straight outta the factory.....lol...400kws will be childs play...ha ha....

I think the power war will stop, when the government caves in to certain parts of the media (ACA) calling for bans/restrictions on high powered vehicles

TUF270 · 09-10-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by SB076

I think the power war will stop, when the government caves in to certain parts of the media (ACA) calling for bans/restrictions on high powered vehicles

tru and when we all move into more environmentally friendly cars...non petrol engines.....will be a sad day i think......instead of asking someone wat engine they got it will be like wat size batteries u got....lol

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Green X · 09-10-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TUF240

i dont think this power war will ever stop....we will end up one day with stock xr8s and ss doing 10sec 1/4 miles straight outta the factory.....lol...400kws will be childs play...ha ha....

yeah and people will still be complaining about Power and 1/4 mile times.

How many people who cry about power and 1/4 mile times constantly own any of the cars they are complaining about or have the cash to go and by one, very few i suspect.