Drivers Footrest

[melbzetec]

It gives me the **** that there is no driver's footrest in my LR Focus.

I've been told there are a number of Mazda ones I could get from a wreckers that bolt in, but I'd rather have a Ford item.

Are there any Ford models that had a driver's footrest that could be easily removed and then refitted in the Focus?

[TEaaron]

Put a ford badge on the mazda one.

[matty88]

The Lasers have them, not sure if they are a bolt on job though

[BeStRaFe]

i had this issue with my ba, so i fitted a EL drivers footrest... they have been removed for safety :(

[Pinch]

Originally Posted by BeStRaFe

i had this issue with my ba, so i fitted a EL drivers footrest... they have been removed for safety :(

Anyone have any idea how this is a safety item? Every other car I have ever driven has one, including all the Fords up to the BA. Even my VL Commodore povo pack SL wagon paddock basher down the farm has one (not that I rest my left foot much down there!). Likewise the first new car I ever bought - a $18500 Hyundai Lantra had one.

On a supremely capable long distance car like the Falcon this annoys me royally and I made my own for the BA XR6 we had.

To me it seems some penny pinching gone wrong. Almost as stupid as not offering cruise even as an option on an XR5 Focus.

If there was some cogent reason that someone can explain then it might make more sense.

[Buddy 1]

Originally Posted by BeStRaFe

i had this issue with my ba, so i fitted a EL drivers footrest... they have been removed for safety :(

Much safer with them I think, so miss not having one in my Ute.

Will have to get one from somewhere as it would make a difference
to me.

[Elks]

Originally Posted by BeStRaFe

i had this issue with my ba, so i fitted a EL drivers footrest... they have been removed for safety :(

VE commodores still have them.

Removing them is a cheap way to improve NCAP rating whilst making cars harder to drive :

[The G6ET Spot]

Originally Posted by myts

VE whilst making cars harder to drive :

Please enlighten me as to how not having a footrest make it harder to drive a car.

This will be good!!!

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by RAPID XR8

Please enlighten me as to how not having a footrest make it harder to drive a car.

This will be good!!!

Surprised someone of your calibre, presumably having driven on trackdays and driver training courses, doesnt know the merits of having a left footrest.

Perhaps methods of car control and advanced driving techniques have changed over the years. I was taught in my advanced driving course some years ago that its best to have the lower body and legs well supported with the left foot on a footrest to enable the legs to be supported against the sides of the console and side trim to maintain good control over the pedals when inertia forces are acting against your legs and lower body when steering and braking.

Without a footrest the left leg is loose, and you dont have as much control over the pedals (and also the steering), with your arms also fighting against the inertia forces from your unbalanced body, as well as trying to steer.

I have a footrest in my BA Ghia and makes for finer control of the accelerator and brake pedal and wouldnt do without it (see thread: http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=101238)

As far as safety is concerned, I would think that to be able to steer, brake and control a car around an obstacle or whatever is much safer than running into it or something else. But then the majority of drivers on the road probably dont know how to react in such a situation anyway, so the safety experts think it best just to delete the footrest to make it safer in a collision.

[Elks]

Originally Posted by RAPID XR8

Please enlighten me as to how not having a footrest make it harder to drive a car.

This will be good!!!

Oh easy. Normal driving no difference. But as Silver Ghia says...

If you cornering/braking quickly, say at a track day, it helps particularly with an auto to brace yourself using the footrest.

The comparison betwenn my TS50 and the BA I had was stark.

Cheers

[Windsor220]

Originally Posted by melbzetec

It gives me the **** that there is no driver's footrest in my LR Focus.

I've been told there are a number of Mazda ones I could get from a wreckers that bolt in, but I'd rather have a Ford item.

Are there any Ford models that had a driver's footrest that could be easily removed and then refitted in the Focus?

Why not just get the Mazda one. Your not going to see it and when it comes to small cars, Mazda and Ford are partners anyway.

[Nashy86]

I never use the one in my EL, footrests have always annoyed me that they are so narrow. If i jump on the brakes in a hurry I prefer to have something solid under my other left foot that I can use to brace myself back into the seat, rather than something that only sits under the left half of my foot!
I've spent a fair bit of time in my parents 2 BF's and never found it a problem

[LeadFoot81]

Ba's/Territories still have a a flat angled surface where the footrest wouldve been on previous models- Ive driven both and didnt miss the footrest. I remeber reading that removing the footrest lessens the force on your knee in a crash?

[Aaron_EF8]

Silver Ghia, you're right on the money, and no, car control methods haven't changed. It just seems cars have :(

Good example, next time the V8's are on, watch for the shot of the drivers feet, all the drivers that don't left foot brake use the footrest.

[rennie]

In my BA I only noticed the difference when someone told me. I found it more comfortable to be honest.

[renegade334]

I agree with all the above posts, I think it's safer to have one so you can stabalise yourself when braking hard etc...

I was trying to think of a safety reason to remove it, maybe in an accident it's automatic to use it to brace yourself which locks your knee in a straight position, when the force of you body pushes against you rleg it can cause fracture or dislocation...

Thats just a theory anyway...

[Silver Ghia]

Originally Posted by renegade334

I agree with all the above posts, I think it's safer to have one so you can stabalise yourself when braking hard etc...

I was trying to think of a safety reason to remove it, maybe in an accident it's automatic to use it to brace yourself which locks your knee in a straight position, when the force of you body pushes against you rleg it can cause fracture or dislocation...

Thats just a theory anyway...

With the footrest, your left leg is actually bent more, as the distance between the seat and your foot would be less. Without the footrest especially drivers with shorter legs, the leg would be straighter, or even straight, which wouldnt be very good in a collision.

[TEaaron]

I never thought I'd see so much compassion and seriousness over a ****ing foot rest.

I actually googled car foot rests to see what you were complaining about and all I can say it this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y

:

if I can fully stretch my left leg out as I'm cruising in my Jag I'm happy, in the cortina if my left foot is either on the clutch or out of the way.

How does a foot rest make you drive any better?? I don't get it.

[Nashy86]

Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

With the footrest, your left leg is actually bent more, as the distance between the seat and your foot would be less. Without the footrest especially drivers with shorter legs, the leg would be straighter, or even straight, which wouldnt be very good in a collision.

the difference between sitting on a footrest and sitting on the floor would be maybe....30-40mm? if thats the difference between having the leg straight or slightly bent then you're sitting too far away from your pedals in the first place IMO

[Aaron_EF8]

Originally Posted by TEaaron

How does a foot rest make you drive any better?? I don't get it.

Learn to read, it's already been said why. If it seems odd/stupid to have such an in-depth discussion on footrests, fit one, and actually try the difference out.

the difference between sitting on a footrest and sitting on the floor would be maybe....30-40mm?

It depends on the car, I just measured both of my cars and it's more like 150mm, plus the footrest is at a more comfortable/supportive angle than the floor.

[TEaaron]

Originally Posted by Aaron_EF8

Learn to read, it's already been said why. If it seems odd/stupid to have such an in-depth discussion on footrests, fit one, and actually try the difference out.

I just took my mums car out for a spin, it has a footrest and it makes absolutely no difference in driving ability!!

If you "need" a foot rest, maybe you should learn to read and go watch the video in my previous post!

[Rev28K]

Originally Posted by TEaaron

I just took my mums car out for a spin, it has a footrest and it makes absolutely no difference in driving ability!!

If you "need" a foot rest, maybe you should learn to read and go watch the video in my previous post!

BS. I'm always using mine in corners and that's on a car with tight fitting sports seats (about 2mm clearance for the side and bottom bolsters). This is on the road on my normal road tyres. On track days with R spec tyres it is much more useful.

They also help under braking and can save on clutch wear. Guys like Frank Gardiner, Carroll Smith and a lot of driving instructors (including John Bowe's) recommend them and use them but what would they know?

If you don't "need" a foot rest maybe you aren't cornering hard enough, you aren't aware of how hard your car can turn or you have no idea of their benefits. Being pulled around by lateral and longitudinal G's while steering, braking and accelerating doesn't help anyones car control.

Give me the benefits of primary safety (being able to avoid a crash) over secondary safety (damage caused during/after the crash) any day!

[TEaaron]

Originally Posted by Rev28K

BS. I'm always using mine in corners and that's on a car with tight fitting sports seats (about 2mm clearance for the side and bottom bolsters). This is on the road on my normal road tyres. On track days with R spec tyres it is much more useful.

They also help under braking and can save on clutch wear. Guys like Frank Gardiner, Carroll Smith and a lot of driving instructors (including John Bowe's) recommend them and use them but what would they know?

If you don't "need" a foot rest maybe you aren't cornering hard enough, you aren't aware of how hard your car can turn or you have no idea of their benefits. Being pulled around by lateral and longitudinal G's while steering, braking and accelerating doesn't help anyones car control.

Give me the benefits of primary safety (being able to avoid a crash) over secondary safety (damage caused during/after the crash) any day!

I'm sure anyone on this forum who has seen me drive certainly knows I corner hard enough.

How can a foot rest possibly save clutch wear?!

If I need support through corners I simply put pressure down on the floor with my left foot. The same goes with braking. The foot rest makes no difference in this method.

[buickman]

Footrests I don't think were fitted to cars proir to 1980. If you get used to them it's like anything its hard to do without.

[Rev28K]

Originally Posted by TEaaron

I'm sure anyone on this forum who has seen me drive certainly knows I corner hard enough.

And are you in control? Everyone thinks that they corner "hard" but I'd say that only about 10% of the people that I see on the roads actually try and only about 5% actually do.

Originally Posted by TEaaron

How can a foot rest possibly save clutch wear?!.

Think about it and you'll understand.

Originally Posted by TEaaron

If I need support through corners I simply put pressure down on the floor with my left foot. The same goes with braking. The foot rest makes no difference in this method.

Ignorance is bliss.

[Seduce XR6]

Originally Posted by Rev28K

BS. I'm always using mine in corners and that's on a car with tight fitting sports seats (about 2mm clearance for the side and bottom bolsters). This is on the road on my normal road tyres. On track days with R spec tyres it is much more useful.

They also help under braking and can save on clutch wear. Guys like Frank Gardiner, Carroll Smith and a lot of driving instructors (including John Bowe's) recommend them and use them but what would they know?

If you don't "need" a foot rest maybe you aren't cornering hard enough, you aren't aware of how hard your car can turn or you have no idea of their benefits. Being pulled around by lateral and longitudinal G's while steering, braking and accelerating doesn't help anyones car control.

Give me the benefits of primary safety (being able to avoid a crash) over secondary safety (damage caused during/after the crash) any day!

I was going to do a write up on the benifets but you have done it for me

Spot on with what you said, I have a pedal ready to install in mine.

[spudte]

Yup sounds like a good excuse to save 30 odd bux.

Safety wise there is more they should be focussing on. More airbags, better brakes/braided lines standard etc etc.

Couldnt go without my footrest on my AU

[zetec]

Aaaaaaaand onto more important things.... like breathing, eating and sleeping.

If not having a footrest seriously raises this many people's attention, I'm shocked. For those of you complaining about it, it mustn't have been that much of an issue because you all bought your cars without one.

[melbzetec]

Originally Posted by zetec

Aaaaaaaand onto more important things.... like breathing, eating and sleeping.

If not having a footrest seriously raises this many people's attention, I'm shocked. For those of you complaining about it, it mustn't have been that much of an issue because you all bought your cars without one.

Come on Matt, you don't have to fly the flag all the time.

The reason I asked in the first place was because during my CAMS testing, the instructor mentioned it would be better to have a footrest to shorten the distance to get to the clutch (and that the pedal configuration on the focus make heel and toe a little awkward... but that's another discussion)

[JMO]

If there's no foot rest in the normal position, shouldn't it have rubber or something for you to grip with and to stop the carpet from wearing through?