No respect??

[Smoke Pursuit]

Whats with people today.. The last few days ive had a few run ins with people on the road / around the place.

Yesturday i had some fool cut me off then abuse me while in bumper to bumper traffic on the m1.. I ignored him then he started taking photos of me (must have been full of drugs).

Then tonight I decided to take the pursuit for a run, went into the city (doing the speed limit etc) then go to fuel up.. Thats fine filled the car up with fuel and im waiting to pay when this Hyundai drives in, stops next to my ute (I thought the passenger was going to get out and hit my door). Driver then goes the wrong way in the fuel station and is now in the way of the traffic, one guy in a skyline tells him to get out of the road which he replys with a 'get f'ed', he then moves and the skyline goes past him at full tilt.

The then parks infront of my car as im ready to take off and proceeds to get out of the car, i had someone behind me waiting for my pump so i pressed the horn, whats he do, gives me the finger and tells me to f off while he goes and talks to his other mate fueling up... he then gets in the car, gives me the 2 ups and decides to do a burnout...

Whats wrong with people today?? Seriously this country is starting to dissapoint me, its about time the law started to step on some of these s..

[Ives]

That's what happen when parents dont beat kids. They grow up thinking they're indestructible. (.... 'till they get hit).

[pauljh74]

I hate that at the petrol pumps - most have signs saying do not enter from one direction. Usually the person who goes in the wrong way blocks the person about to leave, which holds everyone waiting for pumps in that line. Same with people who park the wrong way because they don't want to wait for a pump that is on the same side as their filler.
It's not hard, wait in one line, and as the 2 cars at the pumps leave in 1 direction, another 2 pull in. There is a little waiting when the rear pump is occupied but the front free, but not as bad as the wrong way.
It comes down to people who are incapable of thinking about the effects of their actions on others, or is that they are incapable of thinking full stop?

[Keepleft]

I was at EB (Essential Baby forums -parenting forum) the other day, at what they call the 'Venting Board', an OP, female - highlighted much the same observations, in both driving, in shopping centres and in general.

Her view was mirrored by many and it expanded to 'would you help a child crying - who looked lost in a shopping centre'.

Some said they would talk the the kid to see if he or she was lost, to help - that sort of thing.

But owing some feedback, some parents said they'd tell helpers to go and get f'ed. So as a result, many folk say they simply ignore kids who are lost in shopping centres - for fear of upsetting rude parents who might be nearby, but are ignoring, for a reason or not, their kid/s. Others simply don't want to be assaulted in any form if their actions are misconstrued.

My view in totality, is that society in Australia is turning particularly nasty. Its what happens when we see what was a great country in many respects lose its 'quality of life', where minorities hold sway, where GovCo's ignore the will of the majority in many respects, and pander to the lowest common denominator of society.

Where a PM suggest 300,00k migrants per year - whatever the issue - people are rightly, in most of it, pee'd off.

Insofar 'driving'; it is one of the easiest ways people can 'get back' at what they perceive to be societies fault, sometimes in apathy - perhaps it is.

As I've said here before, bad driving is a national pastime in my view, because I know when we see a marked HWP, suddenly that right lane hogger is back into the left, the indicators suddenly work again and whatnot, and because people here in AUS always 'play games' on the road and some happily admit to it. Its a sign or boredom perhaps - a too low speed-limit thing:-)

Meh, and so it goes.

To see an example of anger, see this thread;-
http://www.keepntlimitfree.org/Forum...s/Default.aspx

[da_ilks]

I try not get upset on the roads when people do things I consider disrepectful - try is the word. At the end of the day firing up because you feel slighted doesn't change anything. Getting out to have a go at someone (road raging essentially) is a silly act and you could wind up hurt - you never know who you are having a go at!

At the end of the day every age group will have people who are disrespectul towards others. I don't believe it's a problem that solely afflicts the youth - more likely, it's something you take more notice of as you get older. I'm sure most here did silly things when they were younger that they'd now class as disrespecful if they saw it happen today.

Originally Posted by Keepleft

Its what happens when we see what was a great country in many respects lose its 'quality of life', where minorities hold sway, where GovCo's ignore the will of the majority in many respects, and pander to the lowest common denominator of society.

Aren't these 2 the same group? The majority is going to be the lowest common denominator. FWIW I'm pretty jaded with where we are heading as well.

[Homer1]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

I was at EB (Essential Baby forums -parenting forum) the other day, at what they call the 'Venting Board', an OP, female - highlighted much the same observations, in both driving, in shopping centres and in general.

Her view was mirrored by many and it expanded to 'would you help a child crying - who looked lost in a shopping centre'.

Some said they would talk the the kid to see if he or she was lost, to help - that sort of thing.

But owing some feedback, some parents said they'd tell helpers to go and get f'ed. So as a result, many folk say they simply ignore kids who are lost in shopping centres - for fear of upsetting rude parents who might be nearby, but are ignoring, for a reason or not, their kid/s. Others simply don't want to be assaulted in any form if their actions are misconstrued.

My view in totality, is that society in Australia is turning particularly nasty. Its what happens when we see what was a great country in many respects lose its 'quality of life', where minorities hold sway, where GovCo's ignore the will of the majority in many respects, and pander to the lowest common denominator of society.

Where a PM suggest 300,00k migrants per year - whatever the issue - people are rightly, in most of it, pee'd off.

Insofar 'driving'; it is one of the easiest ways people can 'get back' at what they perceive to be societies fault, sometimes in apathy - perhaps it is.

As I've said here before, bad driving is a national pastime in my view, because I know when we see a marked HWP, suddenly that right lane hogger is back into the left, the indicators suddenly work again and whatnot, and because people here in AUS always 'play games' on the road and some happily admit to it. Its a sign or boredom perhaps - a too low speed-limit thing:-)

Meh, and so it goes.

To see an example of anger, see this thread;-
http://www.keepntlimitfree.org/Forum...s/Default.aspx

So what you're saying is that it's always the minorities fault that society has become rude, selfish and inconsiderate, and that white aussies are never rude, selfish and inconsiderate? Righto....
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[ADSXR8]

The only answer to the problems and serious rule breakers on the road is long/tough license suspensions.

Speeding 3 months
Talking on mobilephone 3 months
Run red lights 3 months.

Anybody ever noticed in France why all the trucks dont break road rules? You do and get caught, you need a cabcharge to get home. Your marched on the spot? (or thats how it was in 1995 when I was there last)

Roadusers need to get in there heads how dangerous breaking roads rules are? Whethers its talking on the mobile while driving, or doing 130k/hr on the F3

Traveling to Newcastle last week I was following a VE Commodore in the right lane overtaking a car. While passing the car, the lady in the car (Honda CRV) indicated and moved into the right lane. 3/4's into the lane change she realised she was pushing the Commodore into the median strip(running him off the road). Once she headed back into her lane and the bloke in the Commodore got his composure back, he then thought he would swerve into her lane for some pay back. Bloody stupid. And during the whole time she still managed to make her lunch and nail job bookings on the mobile phone.........

As somebody that travels 60-70k a year, I see stuff like this everyday, and it ain't getting any better.

[CFOUR]

Originally Posted by EDfutura25

I had a pretty bad situation. Guy cut me off, forcing me to slam on the skids merging into one lane, decided he could boot it and get by me."

some people refuse to let people merge from the left as you have to give way to the right.

also people who merge from on ramps and are doing below the speed limit should have there cars taken.

Originally Posted by ADSF6

Roadusers need to get in there heads how dangerous breaking roads rules are? Whethers its talking on the mobile while driving, or doing 130k/hr on the F3
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Doing 130km/hr is acctually safer that someone in the right land doing 90km/hr.

the mobile phone thing is a no brainer. my old man used to get lost every time he talked on his phone while driving.

The way i see it, on a 2 or more lane road if you are not as close to the car infront of you as the car behind you is to you, you are thereby in the way so move.

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by Homer1

So what you're saying is that it's always the minorities fault that society has become rude, selfish and inconsiderate, and that white aussies are never rude, selfish and inconsiderate? Righto....
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No, that is your reading of what I've stated, but I'd expect that from you:-)

And here I thought seige mentality applied only to police, nyuk nyuk nyuk....


ADSF6 so wrote:-

Roadusers need to get in there heads how dangerous breaking roads rules are? Whethers its talking on the mobile while driving, or doing 130k/hr on the F3

There is nothing inherently wrong with 130km/h on the F3, in general terms. However, is the road suited to the limit atm?

No! Why? Because of the 'Emergency Services Only U-Turn Bays' - used daily by people as private intersections. If it keeps going (nothing is done), I'll predict a 100km/h maximum on this road within 4 years, in fact, I'll bank on it.

Traveling to Newcastle last week I was following a VE Commodore in the right lane overtaking a car. While passing the car, the lady in the car (Honda CRV) indicated and moved into the right lane. 3/4's into the lane change she realised she was pushing the Commodore into the median strip(running him off the road). Once she headed back into her lane and the bloke in the Commodore got his composure back, he then thought he would swerve into her lane for some pay back. Bloody stupid. And during the whole time she still managed to make her lunch and nail job bookings on the mobile phone.[/

Well, it no surprise here. All that matters is speed:-)

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by Ives

That's what happen when parents dont hit their kids.

Quote of the Year.
i agree 100%.

[DBourne]

Originally Posted by Ives

That's what happen when parents dont beat kids. They grow up thinking they're indestructible. (.... 'till they get hit).

exactly

[XlR8TED]

Originally Posted by SgtBourne

exactly

I was never hit as a kid, but I'm not running about the streets causing havoc. Neither are any of my sisters, who have never been smacked either.

Violence is not a substitute for sh!tty parenting.

Before anyone jumps in with 'but kids were generally better behaved in my day', don't forget that just because smacking has decreased and crime has increased, doesn't necessarily mean one was caused by the other. There are a huge number of different factors at play - today's world is a lot different to 20 years ago. Blaming it all on smacking is very narrow minded.

[Jock260]

Pathetic, had a similar situation while we were going to fill up the SS. Bloke in a AU II XR8 pulled up right infront of us and got out and walked over to get a New gas can. Dad ask pretty politely if he could move it, in which he replied with, "Right'o ya old C***". This did not go down well with my old man, and i was surprised he didnt drop the cheeky little bastard, as he is only 46, hardly that old. Was a pretty animated drive home to say the least.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Too be honest i didnt know what to do, im not a violent person (im pretty soft actually), i was more worried about him doing something to my car, eg throwing something at it or something.... its pretty bad when your scared to go buy petrol..

[JG66ME]

Mate, we are becoming a society full of horrible selfish people that cares not a jot for our fellow person. Very sad.

[OJ_Pursuit]

Yeah its a shocker these days.

Just last night i stopped in at a video store to get a video, Im getting out of my car
and this little punk and his scaly mates walks past a wheely bin and being a smart ...
knocked the already broken lid out into the car park. I looked around and there is at least 10 other people watching and not saying anything.
So I called out to him and after asking him why he would do something like that and
getting a smart reply, I told him to shut it and go pick the damn thing up.
Well he looked at his mates, and then went and did it. His mates were glaring at me, so I told them that they should know better and to stop acting like tools.

So I come out of the video store after about 10 minutes, and the bin lid is sitting on the back of my ute... I saw red. I wanted to grab that punk and his scaly mates and backhand em across the chops, but they were long gone by then.

The blatant disregard for people and property by these oxygen thieves defies explanation I reckon. They need a good kick up the date.

[bodes-sh]

yep, it's bad everywhere, the biggest thing that annoys me is people who feel the need to take up the whole road on carparks. they can't stay far enough on their side of the road for 2 cars to go past each other. and the people who think they own the road and they're the only ones on it. especially on freeways, the sit in the right lane doing less than the speed limit, and then give you the finger or dirty looks when you sit right behind them...or cut you off and then abuse you, makes me mad

[Sonik]

Originally Posted by bodes-sh

yep, it's bad everywhere, the biggest thing that annoys me is people who feel the need to take up the whole road on carparks. they can't stay far enough on their side of the road for 2 cars to go past each other. and the people who think they own the road and they're the only ones on it. especially on freeways, the sit in the right lane doing less than the speed limit, and then give you the finger or dirty looks when you sit right behind them...or cut you off and then abuse you, makes me mad

I hate it when you leave enough room for a car to get past while you wait for a spot, then the ignorant shits sit behind you beeping the horn and giving filthy looks and fingers, then eventually flooring it around me.

[jaydee]

If you drove a Hyundai wouldn't you be angry at the world too.

[InfernoSR]

Originally Posted by jaydee

If you drove a Hyundai wouldn't you be angry at the world too.

So Hyundai's are Emo Cars?

[Smoke Pursuit]

This guy would have been 35 to 40 years old to, i forgot to mention..

[rodderz]

When I was new at secondary school you didnt dare be a smarty to the big kids- you'de get your head smashed in, and if you mucked up at home the old man would wrap his mocco or belt round me bum, it taught me discipline and respect for others

These days some of these youngin's tell them to get stuffed, up goes the finger and they get 10 mates to help them damage something!

[Pinch]

Sitting in Hong Kong, on the way back from Euro land and reflecting on different driving styles (with free wi fi to share these thoughts).

While I had a great time on holiday and am not looking forward to coming back (crap holiday otherwise), I am really not looking forward to driving in Australia again. Seriously, give me the Amalfi coast in summertime with scooters coming at me in my lane. Why? because there is NO road rage. Everyone respects each other and can generally anticipate what people will, and need to do, and then LET THEM do it. There really are no other rules than this. Despite it being a bit hair raising sharing your lane with huge buses and oncoming scooters, I never had any real issues, and certainly never any aggro. Some intersections are completely uncontrolled, but in heavy traffic everyone just takes their turn.

Euro roads are really not any better than ours, so what the hell are Aussie's problem on the roads? We really seem to just be convicts after all!

PS. There was a BIT of road rage in Paris and London, but nothing on Sydney, and mainly just between cab drivers.

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by Pinch

Sitting in Hong Kong, on the way back from Euro land and reflecting on different driving styles (with free wi fi to share these thoughts).

While I had a great time on holiday and am not looking forward to coming back (crap holiday otherwise), I am really not looking forward to driving in Australia again. Seriously, give me the Amalfi coast in summertime with scooters coming at me in my lane. Why? because there is NO road rage. Everyone respects each other and can generally anticipate what people will, and need to do, and then LET THEM do it. There really are no other rules than this. Despite it being a bit hair raising sharing your lane with huge buses and oncoming scooters, I never had any real issues, and certainly never any aggro. Some intersections are completely uncontrolled, but in heavy traffic everyone just takes their turn.

Euro roads are really not any better than ours, so what the hell are Aussie's problem on the roads? We really seem to just be convicts after all!

PS. There was a BIT of road rage in Paris and London, but nothing on Sydney, and mainly just between cab drivers.

So true, so true. It's not really the roads or even the road rules. Something to do with a declining national 'personality'. We're getting like America - although in my experience many Americans are still nicer to you on the road.

[MoreHPformyXR6]

Originally Posted by Pinch

Euro roads are really not any better than ours, so what the hell are Aussie's problem on the roads? We really seem to just be convicts after all!
.

Speak for yourself hehe " Not SA "

[brenx]

I've had an elderly man and his wife pull into the pump facing the the opposite way to me when I'd been already waiting 5+ minutes for pump access. The servo was bi-driectional. It's not just the young, it's just some people are ignorant. I wandered over to the man and said I'd been waiting here much longer than him (he'd waited 30seconds at the most) and would expect I had right of way. Then informed him elderly people like him are why young people don't respect their elders. He didn't had much to say. Probably thought I'd get violent?

I pulled my car up on an angle in front of him and proceeded to fuel up. Even the servo op had a few words call the driver.

I'm on the road every day (12hrs min per day), I get to see a few amusing things that leave me in disbelief of what I'd just witnessed.

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by brenx

I'm on the road every day (12hrs min per day), I get to see a few amusing things that leave me in disbelief of what I'd just witnessed.

Ahh the life of a truck stop hooker. never a dull moment ay? :P

[brenx]

Originally Posted by sourbastard

Ahh the life of a truck stop hooker. never a dull moment ay? :P

rofl. Prob make more $ doing that? :P

[Falcon_Phill]

Never really had to put up with it before, unless its some idiot talking to me over the phone. It wouldn't really bother me if they did, I'd just laugh or punch them right in the sniffer, even if they're bigger, it'd still feel good regardless of what happens afterwards. I hate rude people, if they're right its not so bad, just when they're rude for the sake of it.

Also, not living in Sydney or any immediate surrounding areas helps :

[Sonik]

Originally Posted by Falcon_Phill

Never really had to put up with it before, unless its some idiot talking to me over the phone. It wouldn't really bother me if they did, I'd just laugh or punch them right in the sniffer, even if they're bigger, it'd still feel good regardless of what happens afterwards. I hate rude people, if they're right its not so bad, just when they're rude for the sake of it.

Also, not living in Sydney or any immediate surrounding areas helps :

Haha don't be so sure.. Local maccas, bad suberb, pulled out infront of a guy while reversing from a spot (so what, I reversed out before he was in the carpark) Decided he couldn't wait 1 second and he did a burnout and followed us for a couple of k's at totally unsafe speeds.