'P' plater kills friend in V8 ute rollover

fordfalconfan · 09-06-2009, 10:04 PM

THE driver of a ute that rolled, killing one passenger and injuring three in the South-East on Sunday, has been charged with causing death by dangerous driving and fleeing the scene of the crash.

The Millicent man, 20, was yesterday also charged with drink-driving and causing injury by dangerous driving.

Police allege the man recorded a blood alcohol reading of 0.09 eight hours after the crash. He was refused police bail and is expected to appear in the Mt Gambier Magistrates Court today.

A Millicent man, 18, died when the ute rolled on Rendelshem Rd, about 10km west of Millicent, at about 2.15am on Sunday. Three passengers were taken to Millicent Hospital, two with non-life threatening injuries and one with serious injuries.

Three of the ute's four passengers were in the tray.

SA had recorded only one death on the roads for the long weekend to 8pm yesterday.

The state's road toll stands at 62 following the latest fatality, compared with 37 at the same time last year.

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I was friends with everyone one involved and the driver has already lost his license twice and is expected to go to jail for 15 years, the ute rolled and the man got flung out of the tray he landed on the road and died on impact and my other friend has a broken shoulder and the other passenger has a few scratches and bruises.... the driver and passenger in the front of the ute were fine but this isnt looking good for 'P' platers driving V8's what do you think about inexperienced drivers driving high performance cars ..in my opinion you can kill yourself in any car i would rather be in a crash in a big V8 falcon or commodore than be in a subaru or little 4 cylinder car like that those small cars just cant take a hit aswell.

GeoNazi · 09-06-2009, 10:07 PM

P Platers can't legally drive V8s in NSW,

I hate the whole issue about the motors and alike a 4 banger can kill at the same speeds as there bigger v8 or turbo contaparts

4Vman · 09-06-2009, 10:09 PM

Id rather not be in an accident to begin with.. but this isnt an accident is it, is an act of gross stupidity with tragic consequences....
Its no wonder they're tightening up restrictions although this clown defied the law anyway.

IH8HSV · 09-06-2009, 10:15 PM

Wouldn't of mattered what motor he had, or how fast he was going.
Nor would it matter whether he was a P plater or had 30 years driving experience.

He was drink driving.

What another tragic waste of life.

**Falcon Coupe** · 09-06-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fordfalconfan

i would rather be in a crash in a big V8 falcon or commodore than be in a subaru or little 4 cylinder car like that those small cars just cant take a hit aswell.

I would sooner be in a late model small car with curtain airbags, crumple zones and side impact intrusion protection than a larger old tech V8 in a crash.

MAV50L · 09-06-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

I would sooner be in a late model small car with curtain airbags, crumple zones and side impact intrusion protection than a larger old tech V8 in a crash.

What curtain airbags , crumple zones and side impact protection is there in the back of any ute? I dont see any in the back of a Jumbuck. A late model small ute.
All the safety devices in the world aint going to help you when your riding unrestrained in the back of a ute and the driver is drunk. People are in charge of their own destiny with the stupid decisions they make.

**Captain Stubing** · 09-06-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MAV50L

What curtain airbags , crumple zones and side impact protection is there in the back of any ute? I dont see any in the back of a Jumbuck. A late model small ute.
All the safety devices in the world aint going to help you when your riding unrestrained in the back of a ute and the driver is drunk. People are in charge of their own destiny with the stupid decisions they make.

Do you think the people riding in the back of the ute may have been to the same function, and also drunk?

A lot of people made bad decisions here, I think.

Would you have accepted a ride in the back of a Jumbuck?

**Captain Stubing** · 09-06-2009, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

I would sooner be in a late model small car with curtain airbags, crumple zones and side impact intrusion protection than a larger old tech V8 in a crash.

From what I've seen... I agree! Give me crumple zones and airbags!

But what can you do about drunken immortality?

"Nah, that won't happen to me!"

Ross-b · 09-06-2009, 10:40 PM

yeh the driver did something stupid

but anyone think maybe after he did the stupid act he then started drinking

not defending anyone here but really 0.09 8 hours later means this guy must have been absolutely blind when he started the car.
i dont think the driver was drunk i just think the driver was an idiot. he should still be charged with being drunk though as well as everything else

gtfpv · 09-06-2009, 10:47 PM

lots and lots of people made errors here . but a licenced driver needs to be responsible when driving so it lies to him .
the fact that he'd had 2 indicators before though , means he is an idiot , and will cop the consequences . it's one thing being stupid , it's another being stupid repetitively.

oh and by the way . this has nothing to do with v8's . it has to do with utes .

Stattic · 10-06-2009, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

oh and by the way . this has nothing to do with v8's . it has to do with utes .

no mate... this is to do with alcohol
the 'passengers' would have to have been blind drunk as well to get in the back of a ute with the driver ****ed off his head and hooning
this accident was caused by 50% stupidity, 50% alcohol

SLO AU XR8 · 09-06-2009, 10:49 PM

What is there to say he didn't have a few drinks after the accident?

I'm a 'P' Plater with a V8, just because you have a V8 doesn't mean you drive like a d*ckhead.... A majority do, but not all. IMHO All idiotic driving should be kept to organised OFF STREET events like StreetWarz in QLD (Legal off street burnnuts) and PowerCruise etc.

JC · 09-06-2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SLO AU XR8

What is there to say he didn't have a few drinks after the accident?

I'm a 'P' Plater with a V8, just because you have a V8 doesn't mean you drive like a d*ckhead.... A majority do, but not all. IMHO All idiotic driving should be kept to organised OFF STREET events like StreetWarz in QLD (Legal off street burnnuts) and PowerCruise etc.

You would need to define idiotic driving. Is driving 10km/h under the limit in the RH lane considered idiotic?

To the OP - sorry about your mates, but any more than 2 in a ute (3 if it's a bench seat) is asking for trouble.

SLO AU XR8 · 09-06-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

You would need to define idiotic driving. Is driving 10km/h under the limit in the RH lane considered idiotic?

To the OP - sorry about your mates, but any more than 2 in a ute (3 if it's a bench seat) is asking for trouble.

I meant excessive speeds, burnouts etc, 10k under in the RH Lane is just plain ignorance and stupidity

gtfpv · 09-06-2009, 11:22 PM

err fleeing the scene of an accident , when he was the driver with one deceased friend in his car , who cares if he was drinking . 15 years isn't enough .

jambo_xr6 · 09-06-2009, 11:55 PM

Good riddance to that idiot driver 15 years barely covers it. I've done some dumb things when I was younger but that is just beyond normal stupidity of normal people, same goes for the ones in the back. And who on earth flees the scene when one of your so called friends is dead and a couple others injured

Thankfull · 10-06-2009, 06:43 AM

This sort of thing goes on every day in Australia......on this particular occasion an accident occured.
Young people will never change.....no matter how much you legislate....no matter how much you try to make them aware.

If you have kids that are starting to get to the age group where they want to attain their drivers licence.....as is the case in our Family.....parents try to make them aware.

I think the NSW Laws should be nation wide....P platers not allowed to drive V8s....agree with it or not, it is at least some kind of step in the direction to try and prevent tradagies like this....

Cheers all

JOHNNOSF6 · 10-06-2009, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Thankfull

This sort of thing goes on every day in Australia......on this particular occasion an accident occured.
Young people will never change.....no matter how much you legislate....no matter how much you try to make them aware.

If you have kids that are starting to get to the age group where they want to attain their drivers licence.....as is the case in our Family.....parents try to make them aware.

I think the NSW Laws should be nation wide....P platers not allowed to drive V8s....agree with it or not, it is at least some kind of step in the direction to try and prevent tradagies like this....

Cheers all

So the fact that he still blew high range some 8 hours after the accident has nothing to do with the accident, jeeze iv'e done the court imposed drivers offenders program and even the HWP office who ran the program who also happens to be a driving instructor for the HWP said the laws were a joke. He actually told us that P plater deaths have risen 18% since they came in in his command, clearly proving the whole v8/high performance thing to be a myth. Hell of the 75 people attending the program i was one of about 4-5 people who wasn't there on a drink driving charge, sad part is most were there on a 2nd or 3rd offence.

Kawasakirider · 10-06-2009, 09:24 AM

The alcohol is why he crashed, it's not why the accident occurred in the first place. When I am drunk I still have the common sense not to get into my car and drive until I am not intoxicated and at the legal limit (for me 0.00 as I'm a P plater). Alcohol has the ability to reduce inhibitions, yes. It does not however, give an excuse for such an act of negligence.

This guy should be punished to the full extent of the law and beyond, although we all know he won't be. The sad thing is, he's lost his license twice, showing blatant disregard for the law, so he's obviously a douche. Therefore he probably won't let the guilt of his friend hang over his head too long.

V8's didn't cause this problem, the idiots involved in the crash did.

XRSIKS · 10-06-2009, 06:53 AM

I agree that it really has nothing to do with the car.

I'm a P plater, i drive a XR6 or an XR8 , depending on what keys i grab... Yet im forever being overtaken by people in Lasers , or little mazda's ... doing atleast 20km over the speed limit, and other V8 drivers do the same.

Cars dont kill people... Idiots drivers do.

**buggerlugs** · 10-06-2009, 07:06 AM

He'll get 15 years for sure. With a non parole period of say 12 months if he's lucky. Have his licence back in 2 years....................

JOHNNOSF6 · 10-06-2009, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by buggerlugs

He'll get 15 years for sure. With a non parole period of say 12 months if he's lucky. Have his licence back in 2 years....................

He'll get 6 with 4 on the bottem.

EDManual · 10-06-2009, 10:12 AM

I think its not his fault there was someone in the back of the ute. His mate hopped in there himself.

He deserves nothing more than the drink driving penalties. Certainly not jail.

Why is it his fauly someone who is of adult decision making age is in the back?

Again, make your own decisions.

If someone was on my roof and he fell off round a corner and died, whats the difference If I was drunk, speeding, not drunk, not speeding, crashed or didnt crash etc? Its still not my fault. Its the guy on the roof! Im just driving how I normally do...

Reminds me again of the GT falcon driver who somehow went to jail for the ferrari driver who killed himself out of his own actions!

Kawasakirider · 10-06-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by EDManual

I think its not his fault there was someone in the back of the ute. His mate hopped in there himself.

He deserves nothing more than the drink driving penalties. Certainly not jail.

Why is it his fauly someone who is of adult decision making age is in the back?

Again, make your own decisions.

If someone was on my roof and he fell off round a corner and died, whats the difference If I was drunk, speeding, not drunk, not speeding, crashed or didnt crash etc? Its still not my fault. Its the guy on the roof! Im just driving how I normally do...

Reminds me again of the GT falcon driver who somehow went to jail for the ferrari driver who killed himself out of his own actions!

He had 3 people in the back. I find it hard to believe 3 people snuck in there undetected. The thing is, HE was driving the ute and he should have had enough sense not to drive in the condition he was in, let alone with people in the back.

EVEN IF he didn't know someone was in the car, he shouldn't have been driving due to his intoxication (WHICH he still would have had enough sense not to IMO, if he didn't, she shouldn't have a license and shouldn't have been drinking in the first place). He was negligent, end of story.

I'm not saying his mates weren't stupid either, it's just unfortunate for the driver that he and his mates are all dumb ***'s that made stupid decisions and he's the one that has to pay for most of it.

You can't say that he didn't know, therefore he shouldn't be charged. How many other drunk people didn't know they were gunna run someone over? They still get charged with vehicular manslaughter. So why shouldn't he?

MITCHAY · 10-06-2009, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by EDManual

I think its not his fault there was someone in the back of the ute. His mate hopped in there himself.

He deserves nothing more than the drink driving penalties. Certainly not jail.

Why is it his fauly someone who is of adult decision making age is in the back?

Again, make your own decisions.

If someone was on my roof and he fell off round a corner and died, whats the difference If I was drunk, speeding, not drunk, not speeding, crashed or didnt crash etc? Its still not my fault. Its the guy on the roof! Im just driving how I normally do...

Reminds me again of the GT falcon driver who somehow went to jail for the ferrari driver who killed himself out of his own actions!

The driver shouldn't be driving with anyone in the back of the ute as you shouldn't if someone jumped on your roof.

dom_105 · 10-06-2009, 05:21 PM

It's probably not wise to be talking about the specific circumstances of the case while it is in the process of trial.

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I think the NSW Laws should be nation wide....P platers not allowed to drive V8s....agree with it or not, it is at least some kind of step in the direction to try and prevent tradagies like this....

Tragedies like this are caused by alcohol and stupidity, not engine capacity.

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Drivers have a huge range of responsibilities, and are to be held accountable of everything that goes on while they are driving.

Not everything, they are not (or shouldn't be) responsible for the actions of individuals external to the vehicle. Although, probably not relevant in this case, more relevant in various "drag racing" convictions whereby the driver of the "surviving" car gets done for the deaths in the other car. But another debate for another time.

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I think the answer may be mandatory breath testers installed to your cars ignition.....Hows that for a fix? Every car in Australia to be taken off the road, and new ignitions with breath testers installed.

We can develop a fix for everything, but it's

1. Not going to be popular, politically speaking, and
2. Not going to help in every situation.

**TUF_302** · 10-06-2009, 05:35 PM

The motor didn't kill anyone, the idiotic moron behind the wheel did!, same thing would have happened if they had been in a jumbuck!

I hope the driver gets maximum time for this, sounds like a complete fool, i feel very sorry for the family of the dead person, even if they were dumb enough to ride in the back of a ute

Powdered Toast Man · 10-06-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by EDManual

I think its not his fault there was someone in the back of the ute. His mate hopped in there himself.

He deserves nothing more than the drink driving penalties. Certainly not jail.

Why is it his fauly someone who is of adult decision making age is in the back?

Again, make your own decisions.

If someone was on my roof and he fell off round a corner and died, whats the difference If I was drunk, speeding, not drunk, not speeding, crashed or didnt crash etc? Its still not my fault. Its the guy on the roof! Im just driving how I normally do...

Like Mitchay said, if he knew there was someone in the back of his ute and he didn't want them in there then it is his responsibility to not drive. And thats when sober, being intoxicated is another issue again.

Just the same if someone was on your roof it is your responsibility to not drive your car, or stop if you were already moving. It's part of the reponsibility of driving.

This is definitely an act of druken stupidity on all accounts, driver and passengers. Unfortunately it's had tragic consequences.

futura97 · 10-06-2009, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by EDManual

I think its not his fault there was someone in the back of the ute. His mate hopped in there himself.

He deserves nothing more than the drink driving penalties. Certainly not jail.

Why is it his fauly someone who is of adult decision making age is in the back?

Again, make your own decisions.

If someone was on my roof and he fell off round a corner and died, whats the difference If I was drunk, speeding, not drunk, not speeding, crashed or didnt crash etc? Its still not my fault. Its the guy on the roof! Im just driving how I normally do...

Reminds me again of the GT falcon driver who somehow went to jail for the ferrari driver who killed himself out of his own actions!

How old are you? And did you just get your license?

Drivers have a huge range of responsibilities, and are to be held accountable of everything that goes on while they are driving.

Nice avatar pic by the way... I hope thats not you btw...

xtreme · 12-06-2009, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EDManual

I think its not his fault there was someone in the back of the ute. His mate hopped in there himself.

He deserves nothing more than the drink driving penalties. Certainly not jail.

Why is it his fauly someone who is of adult decision making age is in the back?

Again, make your own decisions.

If someone was on my roof and he fell off round a corner and died, whats the difference If I was drunk, speeding, not drunk, not speeding, crashed or didnt crash etc? Its still not my fault. Its the guy on the roof! Im just driving how I normally do...

Reminds me again of the GT falcon driver who somehow went to jail for the ferrari driver who killed himself out of his own actions!

i didnt know the GT driver went to jail!!! wasnt the GT driver in a high speed drag with the ferrari?