Would you buy a diesel Falcon?

[TheInterceptor]

So, the terri is getting a new oiler within the next year or so. Hypothetically, if Ford were to put this engine option in the fg update, would you opt for the diesel? or stick with the I6?

[Luke Plaizier]

Needs to be pretty sophisticated and keep Falcon DNA - which is to handle and accelerate well with RWD. If it's available in high spec version (G6ETD) then yes, it would be on the worth-serious-consideration list.

Although it still worries me that it's only the 2.7 going into the Tezza, and not the 3.0. But we'll see.


Lukeyson

[mac_man_luke]

Originally Posted by Luke Plaizier

Needs to be pretty sophisticated and keep Falcon DNA - which is to handle and accelerate well with RWD. If it's available in high spec version (G6ETD) then yes, it would be on the worth-serious-consideration list.

Although it still worries me that it's only the 2.7 going into the Tezza, and not the 3.0. But we'll see.


Lukeyson

The 2.7 managed to haul the overweight landrover discovery 3 around, sure it will be fine in the territory, although the 3.0 is meant to be excellent.

[mik]

i like the characteristics of the petrol engine, if i wanted economy i`d go gas before small diesel any day, and i`m not sold on small diesels longevity and cost of repairs if they fail.

[prydey]

its funny how people bag the egas because its a lot slower in performance compared to the petrol equivelent, and yet many of the same critics think a diesel option is a good thing.

diesels work well in large cars (suv/4wd) as they have a lot of useable torque, however they don't rev and they fall short in performance characteristics. these are things people take for granted in the family car, be it holden commodore, toyota aurion or ford falcon.

the only manufacturers that offer diesel power in a similar sized sedan are manufacturers that sell the same products on a world stage.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by prydey

its funny how people bag the egas because its a lot slower in performance compared to the petrol equivelent, and yet many of the same critics think a diesel option is a good thing.

diesels work well in large cars (suv/4wd) as they have a lot of useable torque, however they don't rev and they fall short in performance characteristics. these are things people take for granted in the family car, be it holden commodore, toyota aurion or ford falcon.

the only manufacturers that offer diesel power in a similar sized sedan are manufacturers that sell the same products on a world stage.

You may want to look up the performance of the Twin Turbo 3.0 Diesel XF Jaguar,
I think you'll be astounded to see how well a diesel can perform and still give
a combined of 6.7 to 6.9 l/100klm.

Unless the government is subsidising LPG, most private new car buyers are not interested.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by jpd80

You may want to look up the performance of the Twin Turbo 3.0 Diesel XF Jaguar,
I think you'll be astounded to see how well a diesel can perform and still give
a combined of 6.7 to 6.9 l/100klm.

Unless the government is subsidising LPG, most private new car buyers are not interested.

i know how well the euro diesels go, but you'd be kidding yourself if you thought the falcon would end up with one of those.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by prydey

i know how well the euro diesels go, but you'd be kidding yourself if you thought the falcon would end up with one of those.

Oh for sure, but you wouldn't be paying an XF price for it either...

There could be a big pool of buyers out there that would gladly pay a premium for diesel
but we'll never know because Ford has decided to go the I-4 Ecoboost route.

For the past five years or so, Ford has badly under read the Aussie marker regarding diesel.
They are either deadly slow in delivery or completely missing in key areas.

[superroo]

Originally Posted by prydey

i know how well the euro diesels go, but you'd be kidding yourself if you thought the falcon would end up with one of those.

I'm guessing you haven't seen a pilot territory like i have then.

Cheers

[prydey]

Originally Posted by mik

, and i`m not sold on small diesels longevity

in heavy vehicles, they'll do over a million before being rebuilt to go another million.

probably slightly different to passenger vehicles but they last longer than petrol motors. they are operating at much lower rpms during their life so they do tend to last.

having said that, if you try to drive it like a petrol, it probably isn't the best for it. a lot of diesels make their peak torque and power quite low so there is very little benefit in revving them out.

[FalconXR6]

A diesel Falcon ?!?!?! Not a snowflakes chance in hell that I would ever buy a diesel Falcon. Diesel's are not fun or rewarding powerplants for a rwd sedan with sporting pretensions.

As others have said, LPG would certainly get a look in.
LPG XR6T would almost certainly be on the purchasing radar, should power & torque numbers be healthy enough...

[schnoods]

Would own one in a heartbeat if it were a turbo diesel (around 2.8-3.0L min).

[smoo]

Originally Posted by FalconXR6

A diesel Falcon ?!?!?! Not a snowflakes chance in hell that I would ever buy a diesel Falcon. Diesel's are not fun or rewarding powerplants for a rwd sedan with sporting pretensions.

Neither are automatics but look how many roll out of the factory with them. Fact is a decent diesel in the Falcon will give the I6 turbo a run for its money and lets not talk about how much cheaper it will be to run, including servicing.
Compare a 530i to a 530d and see how the diesel beats it in every aspect (apart from spinning to 7000rpm).
BMW, Merc, Audi, pretty much all of Europes manufacturers aren't wrong, or do a few car enthusiasts at the **** end of the world think they know better?

[prydey]

Originally Posted by smoo

BMW, Merc, Audi, pretty much all of Europes manufacturers aren't wrong, or do a few car enthusiasts at the **** end of the world think they know better?

like i mentioned earlier, all those companies have a global product. it means development costs and production costs are spread over a much larger base.

i don't think the aussie car makers are wrong - i think they know better than most think what will sell and what won't. Ford as a company have a lot more infomation at hand than a few forum members so i think they are much better qualified to make the decisions they do.

the commodore sells at 4000units/month (give or take) and there is no diesel option. have they got it wrong also?

i guess these are my opinions, so, no - i wouldn't buy a diesel falcon. diesel is still twice the price of lpg and liquid injected lpg systems are cheaper to run and offer plenty of power.

[Seduce XR6]

Originally Posted by FalconXR6

A diesel Falcon ?!?!?! Not a snowflakes chance in hell that I would ever buy a diesel Falcon. Diesel's are not fun or rewarding powerplants for a rwd sedan with sporting pretensions.

As others have said, LPG would certainly get a look in.
LPG XR6T would almost certainly be on the purchasing radar, should power & torque numbers be healthy enough...

Not sure Jag XF owners with the 3 litre diesel would agree with you.
That engine in a FG sedan would haul ***

[Elks]

mmm

A diesel Falcon would be a good thing.

If the 3.0 V6 performs so well and delivered sub 10 fule consumption numbers in a Discovery imagine what it could do in a Falcon which is 1.2 tonne lighter.

It will never have V8 burble or straight 6 snarl, but fuel efficiency would be brilliant.

[whynot]

Not sure that I would buy one ... but I think my Fleet Manager would just love to convert all of the utes in the fleet to diesel.

BTW, the BMW diesels get along quite nicely and are highly regarded in Europe. No reason why Ford Oz could get a G6E diesel to be considered in the same light.

[DJR David]

I have been driving a diesel sedan for a while now. The caltex servos in the area all have dedicated hand wipe stations the diesel pumps. I just use one of them to wipe down the handle first

[jamesson1980]

I'm no car expert but I'v always favoured and purchased Ford over it's Holden equivelant because of how the inline 6 'feels'. Diesel would totally kill the way Falcon felt and revved and sounded etc, even if they were to keep a similar motor for a diesel option, it just wouldn't be a Falcon, like a FWD falcon, Certainly not for me, I'd go gas ahead of diesel. I'm with FALCONXR6 above^^

[Green X]

If it were the right diesel then yes i would.

Driven a few of the V8 diesel Cruser utes and they are grate, the sound of the V8 diesal at idle is wicked and still pumps out a good noat

[V8 Man]

Had the pleasure of driving an '08 F250 this week (mate of mines, personal import). Gotta say, wasn't a big diesel fan prior to that, but I tell you what, if they could shoehorn that 6.4 twin turbo diesel V8 under the bonnet of a Falcon ute (perferably an RTV), I'd be at the dealer laying down a deposit today.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by V8 Man

Had the pleasure of driving an '08 F250 this week (mate of mines, personal import). Gotta say, wasn't a big diesel fan prior to that, but I tell you what, if they could shoehorn that 6.4 twin turbo diesel V8 under the bonnet of a Falcon ute (perferably an RTV), I'd be at the dealer laying down a deposit today.

The 6.4 hammers, but nothing compared to the 2011 Silverado 6.6. Ohhhh what a drive!!! It goes absolutely ballistic! 0-100 in 7.7 seconds, quarter mile in 14.6 seconds. Not bad considering it weighs 3.5 metric tonnes. 20mpgs too!

[Bossxr8]

Diesels do not interest me in the slightest. If wanted cheaper running costs i'd go LPG.

[GK351]

I would trade the TDI golf and buy one straight away.

[Wardo]

A turbo diesel with a 6 speed auto sounds pretty good to me. All the performance you ever need (maybe not want) at well below 10l/100km.

[Jason[98.EL]]

for me i prob would if

1. it is in a good price rangeand not to out there

2. if it didnt sound like a truck i hate the rattly things alot of them are

3. If i had the $$$ and ability to pay it back

Jason

[The Monty]

Double post

[The Monty]

Im in IF:
Its rear wheel drive
If I could afford it (2.9% p/a finance ala Toyota sound good?)

[vztrt]

I would wanna know the price premium before I would consider it . But the E-gas would prob be a better buy as the savings would be recouped quicker. The only thing the diesel would have over the E-gas is boot space.

Mind you the diesel with a well geared 6 speed auto should be a good combo.

[SSD-85]

No for me, oil burners just arent my cup of tea. Even if for all intended purposes are equal and/or better than a petrol counterpart.