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31-08-2010, 03:51 PM | #1 | ||
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Was thinking about a Sportwagon, since I like Wagons...
But looking into it a bit, you can't have an Auto SS with an aftermarket exhaust because they drone and vibrate so badly with the AFM that most people just go back to stock, plus the GM auto is generally regarded as pretty awful in general operation... ...and the forums seem to be littered with clutch and shifting issues on the manual versions of these cars... Over at Ford - the ZF auto is generally regarded as about one hundred times better than the GM auto, and the manual seems to have a nicer action and I haven't heard of heaps of issues with it? For me I absolutely cannot stand a ***** gearbox - it just kills my enjoyment of the whole car... So, even tho I do like wagons, I've been utterly and completely put off the Holdens now. Just thought I'd share that with you. :-) |
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31-08-2010, 03:54 PM | #2 | ||
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True there Auto's are really bad the ZF is like a gift from heaven.
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31-08-2010, 04:05 PM | #3 | ||
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if we all believed everything we read on the internet, the ba is obviously worse than the ea, the territory is just an accident waiting to happen with wheels flying off left right and centre, falcons are the only cars to have brake shudder etc etc etc
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31-08-2010, 04:17 PM | #4 | |||
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However the AFM/Exhaust thing is extremely well documented - they first discovered it in the US and as yet no one has found a solution... Every motoring journo out there hates the GM auto... Granted the clutch and gearbox issues with the manuals is just what I've heard - but geez I've heard about it a lot - and not just off the net... Have heard nothing similar with the Ford manuals... |
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31-08-2010, 06:30 PM | #5 | |||
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31-08-2010, 04:01 PM | #6 | |||
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31-08-2010, 04:10 PM | #7 | |||
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If they update it to the 5 speeder in the new Liberty I may consider it. |
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31-08-2010, 04:15 PM | #8 | ||
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I suggest you drive one, the trans wont be as good as a ZF Falcon but then again most cars are not. We all have peculier tastes with transmissions, personally I hate short first gears on any auto, drove a Kluger which would change into second after about 4cm from taking off and it really bugged me.
I have driven a few SV6s and there has been a noticable change in the latter ones I have driven. I dont know what they changed in the box or the electronics but it feels like a different auto to the earlier VEs I have driven, much more decisive and quick to respond. I havnt driven a manual one lately but I think they got a new box with some update in the last couple of years, may want to check it out. I have driven a current model auto V8 Caprice and thought the box was beautiful in it, kickdown was smooth and timely, picked gears well, I was very impressed. With the AFM, I think you just have to find an exhaust that dosnt drone or do what many do and just disable the AFM. I could not be stuffed with the idea of experimenting with exhausts until I got one which wouldnt drone so yeah thats a big negative if people are having problems. |
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31-08-2010, 04:26 PM | #9 | ||||
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I'm only talking about V8's tho. SS v XR8... Quote:
Yeah sure I'll try and drive them all before making up my mind but those trannys are much more unappealing than the wagon shape is appealing. |
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31-08-2010, 06:33 PM | #10 | ||
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i just got an omega ute and the 4 speed auto is so slow to change.
its like the auto i had in my xf. but i spose the only recent auto i can compare it to is the one in my old mans g6e |
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31-08-2010, 06:38 PM | #11 | ||
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I stop considering the low spec commo's because of the woeful interior. Mind you I sat in a manual SSV recently and was impressed.
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31-08-2010, 07:07 PM | #12 | ||
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Holden have always had an uncanny knack of taking any motor and completely ruining it with an automatic transmission. As other have said, see about turning of the AFM. I have heard its pretty rubbish anyway.
What are the clutch and shifting issues you have heard of? I have a manual VE SSV ute and have no trouble. |
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31-08-2010, 10:00 PM | #13 | |||
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Obviously this may not mean anything at all as there's heaps on the road so this might be a very very small percentage -just haven't seen anything similar with Ford... I did read in the mags tho that the Ford's had a nicer shift in the manuals. Was mainly interested in the Auto's tho - was quite surprised but how much of a bagging it got on the Holden sites compared to the ZF which everyone seems to love... |
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01-09-2010, 09:56 AM | #14 | |||
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Also there have been constant running changes to the calibration of the Commodore boxes since the VE release due to negative feedback. The MY10 Caprice I drove was excellent but I have heard the older ones werent as good. |
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01-09-2010, 01:02 PM | #15 | |||
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SS's on the other hand - everywhere. Yeah I assume they'll re-calibrate it again for the VE2, I guess my point was tho that with it's bad reputation, and the AFM thing, it's enough to completely put me off. |
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31-08-2010, 10:10 PM | #16 | ||
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Look at the Skoda Superb Wagon, Commy in size and built by VW.
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31-08-2010, 10:32 PM | #17 | |||
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01-09-2010, 09:12 AM | #19 | |||
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want a wagon buy a territory, or a jag.
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01-09-2010, 12:58 PM | #20 | |||
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31-08-2010, 11:05 PM | #21 | ||
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We had a VE Calais 6 litre with the 6 speed auto and it was a bucket of garbish, worse gearbox ever, it use to hunt gears and felt like it was slipping all the time, then trying to drive it in manual mode it had a huge delay!! crapola.
Im still interested in VEII tho even tho its very similiar to the current one..
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01-09-2010, 01:08 AM | #22 | ||
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best to test drive as many as possible, all cars have some short comings , some you may be prepared to over look.
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01-09-2010, 07:32 AM | #23 | ||
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Sounds like the best car won AGAIN!!!
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01-09-2010, 07:48 AM | #24 | ||
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I traded a VE SSV on the BA XR8. My opinions of the car:
Pros: - Was cheap to mod - Went hard - Fuel economy was good (for 6lt) Cons: - Lacked personality (XR8 has lots) - Interior was a backward step over the VY/VZ - Auto box was average
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01-09-2010, 08:24 AM | #25 | ||
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Cant really give an opinion on the 6sp as I have never driven one. But I recently drive my brothers 4sp commo. I seriously thought the tansmission was stuffed. I even asked him whats wrong with it, which he replied its fine thats how it always is.
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01-09-2010, 12:37 PM | #26 | ||
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i quite like the look of the sports 'hatchbacks' but i like the size of the Falcon wagons.
just wish Ford didnt drop them.
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01-09-2010, 04:03 PM | #27 | ||
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head to Chrysler!!!
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