Falcon vs Commodore comparison on Drive ..Falcon wins !

drpopper · 11-05-2012, 07:54 PM

Just finished reading this new Commodore vs Falcon road test on Drive today... in the end a slim win to the Falcon although I disagree with the assessment of the drive train not adding up to a even bigger margin.
http://theage.drive.com.au/motor-new...511-1yh07.html

nstg8a · 11-05-2012, 08:20 PM

pretty fair comparo imo.

**SSD-85** · 11-05-2012, 08:23 PM

In a world thats becoming increasingly allergic to large sedans, its good to see a write up such as this.
Thumbs up to Drive (for once) on providing a well-balanced argument, that will hopefully convince some people out there to avoid another pointless SUV purchase.

Its a lot more versatile & useful to a wide selection of demographics than what people realise. This includes from an economical standpoint.

SM1DY · 11-05-2012, 08:40 PM

The most significant thing that I see in those results -

Ford Falcon
Fuel use (claimed) 9.9L/100km
Fuel use (on test): 9.97L/100km

Holden Commodore
Fuel use (claimed) 8.9L/100km
Fuel use (on test): 9.85L/100km

aussie muscle · 14-05-2012, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SM1DY

The most significant thing that I see in those results -

Ford Falcon
Fuel use (claimed) 9.9L/100km
Fuel use (on test): 9.97L/100km

Holden Commodore
Fuel use (claimed) 8.9L/100km
Fuel use (on test): 9.85L/100km

the thing about 'official' results are usually based on rolling road (dyno) rather than real-world driving. as a result, things like aero-drag and such aren't factored in. it's still a long way from the commodore's result.

turbodewd · 11-05-2012, 08:45 PM

And if the Ecoboost was tested it would be all over red rover.

If only the Falcon could pinch 500 sales per mth off the commodore...

Auslandau · 11-05-2012, 08:46 PM

Don't know what's happening at the moment but anyone who read Cars GUide today in the Sun ..... It read like it was "Today sponsored by FORD" Double page write up on XR6T FG11 (4/5 Stars and very big wrap) ..... another 1/2 page on EcoBoost ..... etc. Last week was a double page spread on EcoBoost (again extremely glowing) and the week before a double page spread on GT-E. Again another huge wrap beating HSV Caprice.

**SSD-85** · 11-05-2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

Don't know what's happening at the moment but anyone who read Cars GUide today in the Sun ..... It read like it was "Today sponsored by FORD" Double page write up on XR6T FG11 (4/5 Stars and very big wrap) ..... another 1/2 page on EcoBoost ..... etc. Last week was a double page spread on EcoBoost (again extremely glowing) and the week before a double page spread on GT-E. Again another huge wrap beating HSV Caprice.

Do write ups in carsguide go to auction between Holden & Ford?

Holden mustve forgot their chequebook...

GK · 12-05-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

Don't know what's happening at the moment but anyone who read Cars GUide today in the Sun ..... It read like it was "Today sponsored by FORD" Double page write up on XR6T FG11 (4/5 Stars and very big wrap) ..... another 1/2 page on EcoBoost ..... etc. Last week was a double page spread on EcoBoost (again extremely glowing) and the week before a double page spread on GT-E. Again another huge wrap beating HSV Caprice.

Noticed this myself.

Perhaps they've realised that if Ford closes Broady down, Elizabeth will also probably go under and they can't bear the thought of losing their beloved/worshipped Holden!

GK

G6E Turbo 2 · 11-05-2012, 08:49 PM

I bet that was hard for them to write !!!!!

Road_Warrior · 11-05-2012, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by G6E Turbo 2

I bet that was hard for them to write !!!!!

lol, yes.

Kudos to them for a balanced review though. You won't hear me heap praise on Drive too often I can tell you...

jpd80 · 11-05-2012, 09:37 PM

LOL, I'm waiting with glee for the "Bathurst 1000" between Ecoboost and 3.0 SIDI,
Something sure to make even the most staunch Holden fans cringe wince with pain..

Bossxr8 · 11-05-2012, 09:47 PM

Holden tune cars to make good ADR economy figures for the ADR tests, Ford tune the cars to get good economy in the real world. Has been proven over and over again when the Fords can come close to their ADR figure, while Holdens can't get near it. How do they manage to smudge the figures?

And whats with the Falcon interior comments, that its a decade old. WTF?

vztrt · 13-05-2012, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Holden tune cars to make good ADR economy figures for the ADR tests, Ford tune the cars to get good economy in the real world. Has been proven over and over again when the Fords can come close to their ADR figure, while Holdens can't get near it. How do they manage to smudge the figures?

And whats with the Falcon interior comments, that its a decade old. WTF?

Funny enough a mate of mine (likes the Holdens) made the comment of the FG interior (when it first came out) that it looked too much like a B-series. I really didn't get that comment. I mean I can see similarities but its a much nicer and not so boring interior when sitting inside the FG.

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Originally Posted by mcnews

Are you guys really happy with the current interior? Does it not feel almost ten years old compared to Euros etc?

Looking at a few base model euro's they seem 10 years behind to me.

Uncle Niceguy · 11-05-2012, 10:05 PM

ahhhh forgive me if im wrong but they say the interior is a decade old but the FG has only been around since '08 witch i presume came with a completely different interior to BA-BF right????

Bossxr8 · 11-05-2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.NiceGuy

ahhhh forgive me if im wrong but they say the interior is a decade old but the FG has only been around since '08 witch i presume came with a completely different interior to BA-BF right????

Correct.

FG_Frodza · 12-05-2012, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.NiceGuy

ahhhh forgive me if im wrong but they say the interior is a decade old but the FG has only been around since '08 witch i presume came with a completely different interior to BA-BF right????

Yes this is what I didnt understand.

I upgraded from a BA into my current FG and the interiors are nothing alike, so I have no idea why he would say the Falcon interior is older than the Commies...

VE - 2006
FG - 2008

**Dave R** · 12-05-2012, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Drive.com.au

...they’re also looking a bit dowdy in terms of design inspiration. The Falcon’s interior has been around for the better part of a decade while the Commodore’s harks back to 2006.

Ummm..... try 2008, moron.

Nikked · 12-05-2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrenaline

Ummm..... try 2008, moron.

VE came out in 2006...

just sayin'

**Dave R** · 12-05-2012, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

VE came out in 2006...

just sayin'

As above, they claim the FG's interior has been around for the better part of a decade, it came out in 2008.

prydey · 12-05-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Drive article

The Ford gains a slightly larger boot space (535 litres versus 496) but a deep, square depression in the centre of the boot floor makes it a difficult space to pack large suitcases or boxes into.

i guess it depends on the individuals opinion, but i actually like the fact that the falcon DOESN'T have a flat floor in the boot.

nstg8a · 12-05-2012, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

i guess it depends on the individuals opinion, but i actually like the fact that the falcon DOESN'T have a flat floor in the boot.

Same here, stops stuff rolling all round the boot.

Dr Smith · 12-05-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

i guess it depends on the individuals opinion, but i actually like the fact that the falcon DOESN'T have a flat floor in the boot.

I guess no roadtester ever takes their FG press car to the supermarket and filling up with a weeks shopping otherwise they'd be praising the boot design.

**Dave R** · 12-05-2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Smith

I guess no roadtester ever takes their FG press car to the supermarket and filling up with a weeks shopping otherwise they'd be praising the boot design.

Absolutely, whenever I'm in a car with a flat boot floor I use the passenger footwells to store shopping etc. The Falcon's boot floor tub is one of the car's most useful features.

mik · 14-05-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

i guess it depends on the individuals opinion, but i actually like the fact that the falcon DOESN'T have a flat floor in the boot.

agree with you Prydey, nothing worse than having stuff rolling/sliding around in the boot from one side of the car to another every time you take a corner.

Road_Warrior · 14-05-2012, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mik

agree with you Prydey, nothing worse than having stuff rolling/sliding around in the boot from one side of the car to another every time you take a corner.

I agree, put the shopping bags in it and they stay upright and don't roll over. In a flat boot by the time you get home, your shopping is all over the place!

BA-XT · 12-05-2012, 01:47 PM

Should have made mention on the amount of oil the VE burned during the test.... Holdens chew through oil something chronic.

prydey · 12-05-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr_BA2003

Should have made mention on the amount of oil the VE burned during the test.... Holdens chew through oil something chronic.

is that a fact?? glad you aren't a journo. you'd still be mentioning door handles breaking on falcons.

**Jastel** · 12-05-2012, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

is that a fact?? glad you aren't a journo. you'd still be mentioning door handles breaking on falcons.

Why not?

They still do..the FG is worse than B series for breaking handles and window switches in my cabs.

Be hard to do a comparison with commodore handles but since there are so few cabs running them...LOL

BA-XT · 12-05-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by prydey

is that a fact?? glad you aren't a journo. you'd still be mentioning door handles breaking on falcons.

Yes. Yes it is. Owners seem to top up the fuel tank and fill up the oil. As for the handles on old falcons, why did they continue to break through the XF's? Surely they should have fixed it by then?

It's fairly well documented the oil use of the Alloytech engines. All the ecotechs I've been involved with burn it as well.