Holdens Nurburgring plan backfires

[mike_nofx]

I believe Holden was trying to set a record for fastest ute on the Nurburgring, but were a little disappointed. Yes it's a Dowling article:

http://www.carsguide.com.au/news-and...ring_in_8m_21s

[MethodX]

Shame.
Hate those hatchbacks.

[Burnout]

Funny, slower than the Renault Migrane !!!!!!

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Nope....i have re-read the thread again and don't see anyone bagging out the ute or the Renault Megané....

Bit early in the morning init mate.....

How about:

Originally Posted by MethodX

Shame.
Hate those hatchbacks.

Although that was a bit of a generalisation against hatches in general...

Then there's...

Originally Posted by Burnout

Funny, slower than the Renault Migrane !!!!!!

Maybe from a Ford fan's perspective it's funny that a HOLDEN (read: poxy) ute was beaten by a Renault (read: poxy) MIGRAINE. Or maybe he's just being cheeky and the Renault is giving Holden's advertising team a migraine?

I find it very odd that old mate compared the VF SS ute's lap time to the Renault Megane's. No one would ever cross shop the two, in terms of pace or practicality. And the ute's lap time eclipses those of many highly revered and much more focussed cars.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

How about:



Although that was a bit of a generalisation against hatches in general...

Then there's...



Maybe from a Ford fan's perspective it's funny that a HOLDEN (read: poxy) ute was beaten by a Renault (read: poxy) MIGRAINE. Or maybe he's just being cheeky and the Renault is giving Holden's advertising team a migraine?

I find it very odd that old mate compared the VF SS ute's lap time to the Renault Megane's. No one would ever cross shop the two, in terms of pace or practicality. And the ute's lap time eclipses those of many highly revered and much more focussed cars.

Well if that constitutes a bagging these days maybe an extra ration of cement at brecky is needed for those that feel aggrieved......

Seriously.....

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Well if that constitutes a bagging these days maybe an extra ration of cement at brecky is needed for those that feel aggrieved......

Seriously.....

I guess some people aren't as hard as you are buddy.

[DanielXR8]

Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

I guess some people aren't as hard as you are buddy.

When Clint Eastwood is your pinup boy you are hard - with a sensitive side, that will come out later in life.

You also like monkeys.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by DJR-351

Well if that constitutes a bagging these days maybe an extra ration of cement at brecky is needed for those that feel aggrieved......

Seriously.....

Aggrieved?? How do you 100% ford fans feel when doweling bags the *** off the falcon? It's absolute butthurt city with 50 threads on how falcon always gets a beating...

My aggravation is with the whole tone of the article, its written like its a big funny joke, like "ooooh big laugh, how funny, the SS couldn't even beat a Megane", is that how stupid Australian car enthusiasts and journalists are? The fact is that the 265 is the fastest FWD car around the gring, and a mighty finely honed vehicle at that. It's not just a Megane, and it's certainly not a joke, nor a big surprise..

To those in the know, comparing the SS to the RS 265 Is a massive fail. You may as well compare it to a Cayman or a Boxter such is the reality of how the 265 performs.

Here is a brilliant car, well documented as being lauded as the best hot hatch ever made, drawing comparisons to performance cars nearly four times the price, and this knob pulls out some article like this using it as a springboard in which to deride the SS ute like its some massive shameful embarrassment. The knuckle draggers. What a joke Aussie motoring journalism is, when all it requires now is to pour crap on any car, at any cost.

My contribution to topic of this thread is this: the SS is a good car, it most definitely probably is the fastest ute on the gring, and likely the fastest commercial. Holden didn't set out there to prove that they were faster than a well honed hatch with F1 heritage and technology behind its engineering. In my opinion, nothing has backfired. Is Doweling completely retarded????

As for a teaspoon of cement, I'll remember that advice next time 50 butt hurt threads pop up about the next Failfax or LimitedNews story which absolutely demoralises the Falcon.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Danny

Aggrieved?? How do you 100% ford fans feel when doweling bags the *** off the falcon? It's absolute butthurt city with 50 threads on how falcon always gets a beating...

My aggravation is with the whole tone of the article, its written like its a big funny joke, like "ooooh big laugh, how funny, the SS couldn't even beat a Megane", is that how stupid Australian car enthusiasts and journalists are? The fact is that the 265 is the fastest FWD car around the gring, and a mighty finely honed vehicle at that. It's not just a Megane, and it's certainly not a joke, nor a big surprise..

To those in the know, comparing the SS to the RS 265 Is a massive fail. You may as well compare it to a Cayman or a Boxter such is the reality of how the 265 performs.

Here is a brilliant car, well documented as being lauded as the best hot hatch ever made, drawing comparisons to performance cars nearly four times the price, and this knob pulls out some article like this using it as a springboard in which to deride the SS ute like its some massive shameful embarrassment. The knuckle draggers. What a joke Aussie motoring journalism is, when all it requires now is to pour crap on any car, at any cost.

My contribution to topic of this thread is this: the SS is a good car, it most definitely probably is the fastest ute on the gring, and likely the fastest commercial. Holden didn't set out there to prove that they were faster than a well honed hatch with F1 heritage and technology behind its engineering. In my opinion, nothing has backfired. Is Doweling completely retarded????

As for a teaspoon of cement, I'll remember that advice next time 50 butt hurt threads pop up about the next Failfax or LimitedNews story which absolutely demoralises the Falcon.

Well maybe you need to be a bit clearer about to whom you are ****** of with next time, your first post certainly seems to me it was aimed at some of those who posted before you, no mention of JD or the article....I wasn't defending the article, just those that posted.....

Originally Posted by Danny

Have any of you people actually driven or tracked a Megané Sport? Oh, and also had a performance ute to compare it directly to? (Sorry, TWO performance utes)....

It's not surprising, it is not odd, it is not unbeleivable. The Megané 265 is a ripping fast car, both in a straight line, and it handles like a $120k Porsche Cayman (go on, do some research).

I've munched dozens of VE SS's in a straight line, then around corners, its just absolute dynamite. So don't begin to bag something you don't even have any real world experience in..

Otherwise why would you give Leadfoot81 a thank you in post 21....

Anyway nuff of this off topic stuff.....

[Motorbreath310]

Megane's aren't exactly slow. And it'd be nice if Ford went to these lengths to market the Falcon...just saying.

[mike_nofx]

In all fairness, more of it has to do with driver skill on the Nurburgring than just vehicle capabilities.

[mik]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

In all fairness, more of it has to do with driver skill on the Nurburgring than just vehicle capabilities.

that is some of it, most of it is preparation i think, a lot of these companies that go for a nurburg ring assault spend big bucks on basically a full race pit crew testing tyres, tyre pressures , tune, practicing the best cornering lines, etc, some times for days , and no mention of the time put in as if they just drove the car up there and did a lap.

[Motorbreath310]

I bet if Ford sent a GS or Pursuit there and it posted a quicker time, you wouldn't be able to find the link to that article.

[EVLKNEVL]

So.. do Joshua Dowling articles all of a sudden have legitimacy when they're dissing Holden instead of Ford?

Looks like a typical shamelessly irrelevant and agenda-driven JD article.

[EB#]

Firstly, the article is aimed at the "fastest ute at Nurburgring", so why is the writer
comparing the times to hatches and sedans ? I don't get it ? The SS could be the ONLY
ute to run at the ring for all we know.

Secondly, if they wanted quicker times they should have thrown a professional driver
behind the wheel instead of the Holden boss. Maybe that chick from Topgear would have
been quicker?

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by EB92

Secondly, if they wanted quicker times they should have thrown a professional driver
behind the wheel instead of the Holden boss. Maybe that chick from Topgear would have
been quicker?

Compared to the other cars chucking laps the ute sounds like it's "barging" around the cicuit with all the tyre scrubbing noise, so yeah i agree with ya...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5Pmc...layer_embedded

[DJM83]

Originally Posted by EB92

Firstly, the article is aimed at the "fastest ute at Nurburgring", so why is the writer
comparing the times to hatches and sedans ? I don't get it ? The SS could be the ONLY
ute to run at the ring for all we know.

Secondly, if they wanted quicker times they should have thrown a professional driver
behind the wheel instead of the Holden boss. Maybe that chick from Topgear would have
been quicker?

Thirdly, used a car that is actually track focused like the Megane. SS is hardly a track car

The Megane is one serious hot hatch. It was on my list with one other car but the Ford won for my needs.

[EB#]

Video link here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=a5PmckWi5OQ

Pity the SS ute (at 0.43) didn't get a similar exhaust to the Camaro... !!

[Motorbreath310]

Holden could have borrowed John Heinricy from GM for this.

I still reckon good on Holden for doing this. Ford almost seems ashamed of Falcon it seems. When is it ever in the media? Oh, that's right. When it's dying.

[Danny]

Have any of you people actually driven or tracked a Megané Sport? Oh, and also had a performance ute to compare it directly to? (Sorry, TWO performance utes)....

It's not surprising, it is not odd, it is not unbeleivable. The Megané 265 is a ripping fast car, both in a straight line, and it handles like a $120k Porsche Cayman (go on, do some research).

I've munched dozens of VE SS's in a straight line, then around corners, its just absolute dynamite. So don't begin to bag something you don't even have any real world experience in..

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by Danny

Have any of you people actually driven or tracked a Megané Sport? Oh, and also had a performance ute to compare it directly to? (Sorry, TWO performance utes)....

It's not surprising, it is not odd, it is not unbeleivable. The Megané 265 is a ripping fast car, both in a straight line, and it handles like a $120k Porsche Cayman (go on, do some research).

I've munched dozens of VE SS's in a straight line, then around corners, its just absolute dynamite. So don't begin to bag something you don't even have any real world experience in..

Nope....i have re-read the thread again and don't see anyone bagging out the ute or the Renault Megané....

Bit early in the morning init mate.....

[Motorbreath310]

Yeah it was quite surprising that they would compare the two. Doesn't it still hold the fastest FWD record at 'the ring'?

I wouldn't say no to one. They're becoming increasingly popular as of late.

[SSVPom]

It would be one of the fastest commercial vehicles around the 'ring though?

[mike_nofx]

Here's some lap times, good to see lots of "poor handling American cars that can only go in straight lines" on the list, and high up on the list too.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...eife_lap_times

[2011G6E]

Shame...be nice to see a true blue Aussie ute set some sort of record over there.

And yes, it's less about the car and more about the driver at the 'Ring...remember the Top Gear episode with Sabine Schmitz, "the ring queen" who's been lapping the place since she was a young teenager? She took a bloody big underpowered van around there and was overtaking weekend heroes in Porsches...

You also see experienced race drivers who say they never truly learn the track...you remember sections, but the whole thing? That would take many years of concentrating just on that one circuit, as Schmitz has done, and even then she said it doesn't really help.

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Shame...be nice to see a true blue Aussie ute set some sort of record over there

didn't the vd do it - although it is a bit hard to lose when there is no competition






either way, the holden crap machine will spew out something that is totally irrelevant to everything else vehicular - it ain't like they have never been economical with the truth

[tex]

Considering the place it (a Megane) came in Targa Tasmania, comes as no surprise to me.

Stock Commodore SS utes are a very blunt tool, Ive raced them at Baskerville, they might be fully sick to the cashed up Apprentice Tradesmen, but track heroes they do not make.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by tex

Considering the place it (a Megane) came in Targa Tasmania, comes as no surprise to me.

Stock Commodore SS utes are a very blunt tool, Ive raced them at Baskerville, they might be fully sick to the cashed up Apprentice Tradesmen, but track heroes they do not make.

Come off it !
Stock SS sedan or wagon vs SS ute what is the big diference when driving them ? bugger all. compared to a F1 they maybe blunt. but horses for ?
FJ ute vs the VF SS ute now that is very sharp tool we have today.
Bit big and heavy for a racing car but that's not what they are made for is it.

[Sioso]

Car was driven by Rob Trubiani and did an 8:19.
JD doesn't know what he's talking about.

http://media.gm.com/content/media/au...28_VF_UTE.html

[tex]

Originally Posted by castellan

Come off it !
Stock SS sedan or wagon vs SS ute what is the big diference when driving them ? bugger all. compared to a F1 they maybe blunt. but horses for ?
FJ ute vs the VF SS ute now that is very sharp tool we have today.
Bit big and heavy for a racing car but that's not what they are made for is it.

Come off what?

Exactly what point are you attempting to make?

Stock SS sedan, wagon, and ute, indeed, there's bugger all difference, they're all blunt. On a tack.

They are big and heavy. And they aren't made for racing. But that didn't stop Hollden taking one to the 'Ring did it?

The Meganne isn't made for the track. It's a hot road hatch pitched at the likes of Audi S3, WRX, etc. All road cars last time I checked. All quicker than an SS ute around a track. Shock horror!

My point, as you have obviously missed it (Doh!) is that the Meganne factually runs circles (or in this case, rings) around a blunt Holden SS, and Josh stoopid Dowelling should have thought that fact as being no surprise at all.