Dont use E10 fuel!

GASWAGON · 22-06-2015, 05:55 PM

My BF would'nt start today after heaps of cranking.

Mechanic suggested fuel pump was faulty.

Tow truck cost me $300 to get car to my mechanic on my side on town.

Dropped car off at 3pm and by 5pm he called me back and said it was fixed.

It was a bad batch of E10 fuel.

Mechanic cost me $150.

SO thats $450 just today all because of ****** E10 fuel.

He said he's had about 6 cars with bad fuel in the last month.

DON"T USE IT!!!!!!!!!!!

stockNAfairlane · 22-06-2015, 06:01 PM

Out of interest, when buying a car is there any way of knowing whether they have been using e10?

With a written statement from the mechanic and the invoices from the tow company can you approach the service station or an authority to have this sorted?

GASWAGON · 22-06-2015, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stockNAfairlane

Out of interest, when buying a car is there any way of knowing whether they have been using e10?

No way of knowing, AT ALL. I dont think it actually does any damage to the engine internally its just all the fuel pump and fuel lines that it effects.

And apparently the Ethanol seperates from the petrol in the tank when the car sits for a while so you end up running on ethanol only.

Itsme · 22-06-2015, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

No way of knowing, AT ALL. I dont think it actually does any damage to the engine internally its just all the fuel pump and fuel lines that it effects.

And apparently the Ethanol seperates from the petrol in the tank when the car sits for a while so you end up running on ethanol only.

Must be a lot of ethanol that is separated from petrol in those tanks at Petrol Stations.

I think some one is telling you porkies!!!

Supercharged · 24-06-2015, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

No way of knowing, AT ALL. I dont think it actually does any damage to the engine internally its just all the fuel pump and fuel lines that it effects.

And apparently the Ethanol seperates from the petrol in the tank when the car sits for a while so you end up running on ethanol only.

Spot on there. Boats have trouble with fuel blends if any water is in the tank which causes separation and then blocked injector filter baskets.

Tex Scrotum · 22-06-2015, 06:05 PM

When you say "bad batch of E10" what exactly do you mean?

Franco Cozzo · 22-06-2015, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex Scrotum

When you say "bad batch of E10" what exactly do you mean?

There is never a good batch is there

ratter · 22-06-2015, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

There is never a good batch is there

there was many happy customers of United's P100

Franco Cozzo · 22-06-2015, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ratter

there was many happy customers of United's P100

I'm referring to the cheap 91 variant

Trump · 22-06-2015, 06:07 PM

It may have been a bit higher than 10% ethanol going by the symptoms. As E10 absorbs water, it sounds like a richer batch has sucked all the moisture out of your tank and pumped it into your engine. Your mechanic has probably drained your fuel system and purged the injectors, got some actual petrol in there and got your car going again.

As for recourse and recompense, make sure you have your receipt, you can lodge a claim with the fuel company.

GASWAGON · 22-06-2015, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

It may have been a bit higher than 10% ethanol going by the symptoms. As E10 absorbs water, it sounds like a richer batch has sucked all the moisture out of your tank and pumped it into your engine. Your mechanic has probably drained your fuel system and purged the injectors, got some actual petrol in there and got your car going again.

As for recourse and recompense, make sure you have your receipt, you can lodge a claim with the fuel company.

I dont have a receipt but I do know which United servo i got the fuel from.

Is there ANYTHING i can do to get reimbursed/compensated???

**Revolver** · 23-06-2015, 07:40 AM

Without this

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Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

I dont have a receipt but I do know which United servo i got the fuel from.

And This:

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Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

No they did'nt keep any samples.

I'm a memeber of RACV but when i rang them to organise a tow truck they said they would only take the car back to the local depot.

The car needed to be taken to the workshop which was an hour away.

You wont get this:

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Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

Is there ANYTHING i can do to get reimbursed/compensated???

I know personally. I work on the front-line in servos myself. And this is our (and other chains) policy. A sample. A receipt. or no go. We need proof that it was our fuel that caused damages to the car. Otherwise it could be anybody's fuel, from any servo.

On a personal note, its funny how people think E10 is the only problematic fuel. I got ULP from my local servo that just had its tanks replaced around 6 months prior. I fuelled my bike, and not long after it started running rough, and wouldnt do what I wanted, drained fuel, emptied float bowls and lines (refilled with the same petrol

) tried it again. No dice. Went to work that night, grabbed some from ULP from my site, put it in, ran like a cut snake after that.

Ooooooooh look at that! A plain ULP disaster story!

Is this a troll post?

**GasoLane** · 23-06-2015, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Revolver

I know personally. I work on the front-line in servos myself. And this is our (and other chains) policy. A sample. A receipt. or no go. We need proof that it was our fuel that caused damages to the car. Otherwise it could be anybody's fuel, from any servo.

Revolver just about sums it up.

Last year I was stupid enough to fill at a 'Supermarket servo' just after the tanker finished dropping fuel.
Shortly after the car ran like a dog

I showed the sample to the manager, filled out servos customer form with the time of day, type of fuel (98) and receipt .
Also mentioning that my mechanic was prepared to write a report on the fuel.

A week or so later I get, what is probably a standard letter from the area rep, saying pretty much what I expected. That their fuel is constantly tested and is of the highest standard.
In other words, forget trying to blame us as we're not reimbursing you for the fuel ($80), the filter ($160) or the mechanics time ($75).

But, seeing as I couldn't actually prove it was their fuel I knew it wasn't worth taking it further.

Tex Scrotum · 22-06-2015, 06:15 PM

I've run all my cars(and bikes) exclusively on E10 for the last 12 years with no issues whatsoever.
You can get contaminated fuel whether it's E10 or straight unleaded.
Just sounds like more E10 scaremongering to me.
Just sayin!

simon varley · 22-06-2015, 06:30 PM

yup. you can't even buy plain old petrol in Europe any more. nothing wrong with E10 if the car is designed for it.

Trump · 22-06-2015, 06:46 PM

Poo creek without a paddle springs to mind. Bank statement might help if you used plastic to pay for the fuel.

Stefan · 22-06-2015, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

Dropped car off at 3pm and by 5pm he called me back and said it was fixed.

Probably took him 2 minutes to change the fuse, but waited a couple of hour to make the phone call...easier to justify the 150 that way.

EDManual · 22-06-2015, 08:12 PM

the only time I touch the stuff is on the last fill up when handing back a hire car!

nstg8a · 22-06-2015, 08:16 PM

Nothing wrong with e10, as pointed out earlier, you can get a a dodgy batch of fuel no matter what you use.

yearby · 22-06-2015, 08:24 PM

I run my Bf GT on E10 all the time, runs like a dream, starts easy, fuel economy is not too bad, heaps of power. Way cheaper than 95 octane, excellent as far as I'm concerned.

I would suggest that you have been getting bad/water contaminated fuel prior to using the E10 and the E10 has cleaned out all the gunk and flushed it through your fuel system.

Peter

Stefan · 22-06-2015, 08:32 PM

Someone explain to me how you can flush a bad batch of fuel from a BF in under two hours, put good fuel in and only charge $150.

They'd charge 50 bucks just for a fuel filter, or didn't change the fuel filter. But fuel filter would be the first thing to be changed if a bad batch of fuel was present.

devilcv8 · 23-06-2015, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by yearby

I run my Bf GT on E10 all the time, runs like a dream, starts easy, fuel economy is not too bad, heaps of power. Way cheaper than 95 octane, excellent as far as I'm concerned.

I would suggest that you have been getting bad/water contaminated fuel prior to using the E10 and the E10 has cleaned out all the gunk and flushed it through your fuel system.

Peter

I ran a VE SS ute on e10 for 5 years, 252000km with zero fuel related issues. Early on I ran a few tanks of 98, 95 and 91 before settling on e10.

There are too many jumping on the "e10 is bad" bandwagon. These are the same people who believe the earth is flat.

mik · 23-06-2015, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by devilcv8

I ran a VE SS ute on e10 for 5 years, 252000km with zero fuel related issues. Early on I ran a few tanks of 98, 95 and 91 before settling on e10.

There are too many jumping on the "e10 is bad" bandwagon. These are the same people who believe the earth is flat.

Not really, in some cars it sucks, and it stands out like dogs balls.

stockNAfairlane · 23-06-2015, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by devilcv8

There are too many jumping on the "e10 is bad" bandwagon. These are the same people who believe the earth is flat.

It's not their fault they think the Earths flat, they put E10 in their car once and it won't start anymore so they can't drive far enough to see it goes round..

Bill M · 24-06-2015, 09:47 AM

Check the list form the FCAI.
http://www.fcai.com.au/environment/c...l-blend-petrol

It depends on what your expectations are, some are happy to use it even with the reduction in economy however in using it unless you can prove the fuel is at fault then you are on your own, particularly with an older car.
One point to keep in mind is bad fuel was an issue before E10 was introduced.

Better to ask in the AU BF section of the forum as you are more likely to receive a reply from an owner with a similar vehicle rather than some of the anecdotal statements here that are irrelevant.
Good luck!

kaniSS · 25-06-2015, 10:46 AM

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/twenty-car...0150625-ghx2fo

You should be compensated.

Stefan · 25-06-2015, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kaniSS

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/twenty-car...0150625-ghx2fo

You should be compensated.

See this is likely and more beliveable. Dozens of cars break down due to a bad batch of fuel, all lined up in breakdown lanes a few kms from the servo.

When one car breaks down a day later and the mechanic blames fuel...I don't get it, surely the must be a whole bunch of cars broken down.

yearby · 23-06-2015, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by yearby

I run my Bf GT on E10 all the time, runs like a dream, starts easy, fuel economy is not too bad, heaps of power. Way cheaper than 95 octane, excellent as far as I'm concerned.

I would suggest that you have been getting bad/water contaminated fuel prior to using the E10 and the E10 has cleaned out all the gunk and flushed it through your fuel system.

Peter

When I said I got worse fuel economy with my BF GT, it's not that bad, I mean I get 15L/100 on premium and 15.1L/100 on E10, seems like logical choice to me.

And when I when for emissions test with said car, it passed with flying colours, surprised everyone in fact.

**GasoLane** · 22-06-2015, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

Tow truck cost me $300 to get car to my mechanic on my side on town.

So now you're going to join a roadside assistance company for next time, right ?

You didn't fill up whilst the Tanker was dropping fuel did you ?

rex351 · 22-06-2015, 08:33 PM

Didn't keep a sample of this crook fuel by any chance? If you're planning on getting any compensation you'll need evidence.