Holden revive the Director badge

EBSXR6 · 16-03-2016, 11:58 PM

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/h...16-gnkc5x.html

Love this comment Holdens procurement team are currently reviewing suppliers for the supply of 'energy polarisers'....

Angeldust · 17-03-2016, 09:55 AM

Looks good actually... has MRC too, would be great if available in manual.

**Kingsley** · 17-03-2016, 10:58 AM

The members of the Brock cult who can't afford them will be the most offended by Holden branding it 'Director'. Those who can afford will buy them anyway due to the dubious Brock connection and probably won't care what the rest of the cult think.
At the end of the day, Holden sells a few extra Commodores slightly different to the others. Well done Holden.

FG50T · 17-03-2016, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by superpursuit05

The members of the Brock cult who can't afford them will be the most offended by Holden branding it 'Director'. Those who can afford will buy them anyway due to the dubious Brock connection and probably won't care what the rest of the cult think.
At the end of the day, Holden sells a few extra Commodores slightly different to the others. Well done Holden.

Have owned a Director and a VK Group A, still part of the HDT club and can tell you honestly you won't find one us with any of the new stickered VE or VF crap Holden are doing.

**Kingsley** · 18-03-2016, 10:32 AM

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Have owned a Director and a VK Group A, still part of the HDT club and can tell you honestly you won't find one us with any of the new stickered VE or VF crap Holden are doing.

Point is there will be Brock tragics who can afford them that will buy them. They're not going to give a rats *** what clubs think since a lot of Brock fans aren't in a club and have no desire to be.

All in all Holden sells a few slightly different 'collectable' Commodores based on a dubious connection. Win/win for Holden.

Ford17 · 18-03-2016, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by superpursuit05

Point is there will be Brock tragics who can afford them that will buy them. They're not going to give a rats *** what clubs think since a lot of Brock fans aren't in a club and have no desire to be.

All in all Holden sells a few slightly different 'collectable' Commodores based on a dubious connection. Win/win for Holden.

Doubt it.

The people who will buy these will most likely do so for the HSV bits and the value for money package; rather than for anything to do with Brock.

commodorenutt · 18-03-2016, 01:28 PM

Real Brock fans would prefer to spend their money on cars made while PB ran the show.
It's no contest really - a new VF with no soul for the same coin as say a very well kept VL Group A or even a VH group 3 with change.
I know which way myself and many other true fans would go, and there's already 2 in my garage to prove it.

XRtowcar · 17-03-2016, 04:01 PM

Waiting for the Commodore Samara delux edition.
Should get the Brocky fans spitting chips.

csv8 · 17-03-2016, 04:26 PM

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Waiting for the Commodore Samara delux edition.
Should get the Brocky fans spitting chips.

Thats the new Craptiva !!!

Ford17 · 18-03-2016, 02:15 PM

This article also fails to differentiate the two different applications of the 'Director' name as used by HDT.

The first use was for the 'Calais Director' in the VK series:

And the second use was for the car simply called The 'Director' in the VL series, only 12 of which were made, the majority post the Holden bust-up of 1987:

Thus there never was a 'Commodore Director' as such, only a 'Calais Director', and The 'Director' itself, which was based off a Calais.

Most motoring journalists would know this stuff, and it sounds like the article might have been written to generate controversy.

commodorenutt · 18-03-2016, 06:25 PM

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?... and it sounds like the article might have been written to generate controversy.

Exactly.

And it puts all the blame squarely on that fateful Friday night in Feb '87, when in reality it was a myriad of things that had built up over years.

A crap read indeed. Author probably wasn't even around in the 80s.

Rodp · 18-03-2016, 05:29 PM

Does it come with a polariser?

.:4:. · 18-03-2016, 06:52 PM

Didn't the vl director (only 9 made from memory) have a 5.6l stroker in it, as opposed to being a 4.9? I like hdt's my brother had a vh brock in 2000 before they were worth anything, but to me it just looks like a ssv with a better interior and a badge, let alone any go faster bits. To be fair they probably don't want to take any shine away from the hsv brand. Just my 2c

tranquilized · 18-03-2016, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by .:4:.

Didn't the vl director (only 9 made from memory) have a 5.6l stroker in it, as opposed to being a 4.9? I like hdt's my brother had a vh brock in 2000 before they were worth anything, but to me it just looks like a ssv with a better interior and a badge, let alone any go faster bits. To be fair they probably don't want to take any shine away from the hsv brand. Just my 2c

Can't remember what engine the VL had, but I do remember Brock imported a fully independent rear end from the related Opel and had them fitted to the Director. It really had a lot of engineering put into it over and above the standard VL.

**Not to mention the Polariser which clearly was the pinnacle of scientificly proven engineering right there.

FTE · 20-03-2016, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tranquilized

Brock imported a fully independent rear end from the related Opel and had them fitted to the Director. It really had a lot of engineering put into it over and above the standard VL.

This was the biggest issue for Holden back in the day, there was no proof of engineering and/or crash testing for that IRS. He also told GM in the USA that the Polariser was tested by Holden and approved - which it wasn't .
Holden were already at the end of their tether with Brock and Peri-integration (a company Brock started with his Brainwashing "healing" friend)
Last nail in the coffin was releasing that car.

commodorenutt · 20-03-2016, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE

Holden were already at the end of their tether with Brock and Peri-integration (a company Brock started with his Brainwashing "healing" friend)
Last nail in the coffin was releasing that car.

Exactly. It was a whole lot of things.

Just wish those self-certified journo hacks had bothered to ask the knowledgeable people (not the trolls) who have posted in this thread, and those who were around in the day for the facts, not the generated rubbish that the Director was THE only cause.

Express · 20-03-2016, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE

This was the biggest issue for Holden back in the day, there was no proof of engineering and/or crash testing for that IRS. He also told GM in the USA that the Polariser was tested by Holden and approved - which it wasn't .
Holden were already at the end of their tether with Brock and Peri-integration (a company Brock started with his Brainwashing "healing" friend)
Last nail in the coffin was releasing that car.

Yes the polariser was only the excuse to break the relationship that also had the added advantage of showing Brock as a bit of a nutter and therefore giving Holden the moral ground.

The real issue was he was out of control and Holden try as they did couldn’t reel him back in.

They were terrified about numerous issues with cars that were being sold under their brand that didn’t meet ADR’s and that they may ultimately be held responsible if the brown stuff hit the fan.

Apart from the IRS there were the build what the customer wants engines that didn’t meet emissions and in the end Holden used the polariser to deflect from the real issues as a means to not draw attention to the vehicles that had already been sold.

Bossxr8 · 20-03-2016, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FTE

This was the biggest issue for Holden back in the day, there was no proof of engineering and/or crash testing for that IRS. He also told GM in the USA that the Polariser was tested by Holden and approved - which it wasn't .
Holden were already at the end of their tether with Brock and Peri-integration (a company Brock started with his Brainwashing "healing" friend)
Last nail in the coffin was releasing that car.

From what I remember Holden said to Brock, if you release this car you are finished, we will stop supplying cars to you. They gave him the ultimatum and he did it anyway. A really stupid decision he made. Problem was he had so many people blowing smoke up his *** and believing he was some kind of god, that he probably thought he was untouchable

Ford17 · 18-03-2016, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by .:4:.

Didn't the vl director (only 9 made from memory) have a 5.6l stroker in it, as opposed to being a 4.9? I like hdt's my brother had a vh brock in 2000 before they were worth anything, but to me it just looks like a ssv with a better interior and a badge, let alone any go faster bits. To be fair they probably don't want to take any shine away from the hsv brand. Just my 2c

12 VL Directors were made, and all were different.

Some had IRS, at least one had the 5.6 stroker engine, some were manual, some had Recaro seats. Basically whatever the customer optioned.

The mythology surrounding these things is like folklore, however the facts can be researched.

.:4:. · 18-03-2016, 09:46 PM

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Found one for sale on ebay

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1987-Hold...EAAOSwBvNTpn9-

Nice work mate, I don't really care either

Falcman0o7 · 18-03-2016, 06:57 PM

HSV's rework of the Energy Polariser is said to contain crystals from saturns moon ( titan ) and a magnet from the star "Helurious E4" which is claimed to align the molecules of the flux capacitor allowing it to warp into the future at the speed of light for a brief second giving the vehicle a massive jolt in distance traveled, However, it has not yet been independently validated by HSV engineers in Australia, Daweoo engineers in china or Cherry engineers in Kazikstan.

MethodX · 18-03-2016, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcman0o7

HSV's rework of the Energy Polariser is said to contain crystals from saturns moon ( titan ) and a magnet from the star "Helurious E4" which is claimed to align the molecules of the flux capacitor allowing it to warp into the future at the speed of light for a brief second giving the vehicle a massive jolt in distance traveled, However, it has not yet been independently validated by HSV engineers in Australia, Daweoo engineers in china or Cherry engineers in Kazikstan.

Ah Ah.... need the Edsel and Pinto be mentioned?

Falcman0o7 · 19-03-2016, 03:12 AM

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Ah Ah.... need the Edsel and Pinto be mentioned?

Upto you Mr oxford.

**Kingsley** · 19-03-2016, 08:06 AM

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Ah Ah.... need the Edsel and Pinto be mentioned?

The Edsel and Pinto are about as relevant to the Director and a Energy Polariser as a Barina Cabrio, Chevrolet Corvair, JB Camira, Plus 4 or G Pak Torana's.

MethodX · 19-03-2016, 08:18 AM

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The Edsel and Pinto are about as relevant to the Director and a Energy Polariser as a Barina Cabrio, Chevrolet Corvair, JB Camira, Plus 4 or G Pak Torana's.

I like to promote ford f ups when the constant peanut gallery starts up.

**Kingsley** · 19-03-2016, 09:28 AM

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I like to promote ford f ups when the constant peanut gallery starts up.

So I noticed. 'Trolling' I think it's called.
Every manufacturer has it problems though.

I can't see too much of a problem with Holden selling a few cars called 'Director' even if it does upset the Brock cult. As Ford17 pointed out those who will probably buy it won't care about the Brock factor anyway, more the HSV link. Sales will dictate its success or lack there of.

Shame Ford didn't do a few colours in the Sprint range named after a few of it's former champs. 'Moffat Red, 'Bowe Black, 'Johnson Blue', 'Carter Yellow', or 'Geoghegan White'.