Medicinal Cannabis

[Mr_G6ET]

'TGA interim decision for over-the-counter access to medicinal cannabis'

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...b5c15a54b86838

In oil and gas (LNG construction) 20 odd yrs ago, we pioneered random testing. When they bought that in, the people going on RnR could no longer use pot, instead they started using meth, ecstasy and heroin because it would leave the system faster
If they used saliva testing on site like the police today, they wouldn't have unwittingly 'encouraged' / 'pushed' people to the harder drugs.

Meth, ecstasy and heroin are between less than a week detectable in a urine, sample, pot is more than 4 weeks.



Opinions ?

[redxm]

f me. Can't buy panadol osteo without a drama but we can buy this. Enough zombies around now.

I have no doubt it has it's uses but over the counter without monitoring ????

[98TLS]

Fuk me Not going to debate its medicinal value as its way over my pay scale but have no interest in working were i do with the machinery we do alongside some clown kickin back after a medicinal hooter,speaking from experience the comment re the length of time it stays in ya system drove blokes to up the level means squat to be fair,simply put from my perspective if at whatever level you need to get smashed to get by then dont work and whilst at it dont drive theres enough **** drivers on the roads already.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by 98TLS

Fuk me Not going to debate its medicinal value as its way over my pay scale but have no interest in working were i do with the machinery we do alongside some clown kickin back after a medicinal hooter,speaking from experience the comment re the length of time it stays in ya system drove blokes to up the level means squat to be fair,simply put from my perspective if at whatever level you need to get smashed to get by then dont work and whilst at it dont drive theres enough **** drivers on the roads already.

Well, no need for debate on medicinal value, there is enough proof out there; to disagree would be to be without the facts.
Driving; whats the difference with alcohol or meth ? No high speed chase known has been due to pot.

[ratter]

My doctor told me a few years ago that the legal to purchase product has been extracted in a way that a user would not get of the high etc, only pain relief.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by ratter

My doctor told me a few years ago that the legal to purchase product has been extracted in a way that a user would not get of the high etc, only pain relief.

THC is the stoned bit, the CBD is the medicinal bit.

Shortish read but does explain here

That said, they are talking about allowing you to grow plants yourself

[CoupeKing]

Get in on it. It will eventually be a big industry here and possibly it's cousin Hemp.

Low carb or carb free foods/snacks will be big too.

Imagine eating a small pizza,bowl of spaghetti, garlic bread (that tastes/texture 75% to the real thing) and you consume 90% less carbs?

[tweeked]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Get in on it. It will eventually be a big industry here and possibly it's cousin Hemp.

Low carb or carb free foods/snacks will be big too.

Imagine eating a small pizza,bowl of spaghetti, garlic bread (that tastes/texture 75% to the real thing) and you consume 90% less carbs?

Yeah but then an hour later you are down at the 7/11 buying 3 packs of Doritos and a microwave hamburger.

[Charliewool]

Huge here amongst the pensioner aged expats!
For everything that ails you.. (and even if nothing ails you!)
Mostly edibles... Cookies, brownies, even jello babies!
The Mrs spends a day or so a week making the butter out of weed and coconut oil.. Then made into chocky chip cookies!
Going rate is 40 cookies = US$100

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Huge here amongst the pensioner aged expats!
For everything that ails you.. (and even if nothing ails you!)
Mostly edibles... Cookies, brownies, even jello babies!
The Mrs spends a day or so a week making the butter out of weed and coconut oil.. Then made into chocky chip cookies!
Going rate is 40 cookies = US$100

If and when I make it to retirement I would like to have a sneaky joint daily. No punching cones for me

I'd like to think we could sort it out by then but for some reason we elect some dumb ****s who are incapable of doing anything

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Huge here amongst the pensioner aged expats!
For everything that ails you.. (and even if nothing ails you!)
Mostly edibles... Cookies, brownies, even jello babies!
The Mrs spends a day or so a week making the butter out of weed and coconut oil.. Then made into chocky chip cookies!
Going rate is 40 cookies = US$100

.....

Are you looking for investors? We could go professional, maybe expand the operation into coca plants for their 'therapeutic' benefits

[Mr_G6ET]

Yeah, full respect for the straight people that dont want/need to use marijuana but the best situation IMO is get the legal **** sorted and bring it on
Of course, western australia will have to wait a while so our pollies can further question global opinion, pretending to know more (as they always do) .

The amount of time, money and effort the cops spend is stupid.
Jails are half full of 'criminals' due to pot. Sellers, traffickers yes but they too go away when it's available without the 'cloak and dagger' stuff.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Get in on it. It will eventually be a big industry here and possibly it's cousin Hemp.

Low carb or carb free foods/snacks will be big too.

Imagine eating a small pizza,bowl of spaghetti, garlic bread (that tastes/texture 75% to the real thing) and you consume 90% less carbs?

the State Governments plantation is being built near my town

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

'TGA interim decision for over-the-counter access to medicinal cannabis'

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...b5c15a54b86838

In oil and gas (LNG construction) 20 odd yrs ago, we pioneered random testing. When they bought that in, the people going on RnR could no longer use pot, instead they started using meth, ecstasy and heroin because it would leave the system faster
If they used saliva testing on site like the police today, they wouldn't have unwittingly 'encouraged' / 'pushed' people to the harder drugs.

Meth, ecstasy and heroin are between less than a week detectable in a urine, sample, pot is more than 4 weeks.



Opinions ?

I support it because I own shares in a few medicinal cannabis companies

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I support it because I own shares in a few medicinal cannabis companies

As you are no doubt aware, it is a part of the future regardless of what uninformed (no offence intended) people think.
Proven, just Govt bull**** stands in the way

[MITCHAY]

They decriminalised it here in the ACT early this year for personal use not just medicinal with certain caveats https://www.act.gov.au/cannabis/home

Though there is a grey area with federal law but so far have not heard of any issues. Which surely we would have heard about by now

[Franco Cozzo]

I have two friends who are buying CBD on the black market to manage endometriosis as the process to get the prescription is OTT and it's expensive

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

I have two friends who are buying CBD on the black market to manage endometriosis as the process to get the prescription is OTT and it's expensive

I would have thought that if available, through a Doctor would be relatively affordable.
More bull**** from the Gov finding a way to tax it.

A lot of people dont like to smoke and it's THC and CBD' but making oil is easy. Edibles are easy to make.
Separating the THC and CBD is the hard bit, I would have thought they are better off getting a little stoned

[Rallye Sport]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

I would have thought that if available, through a Doctor would be relatively affordable.
More bull**** from the Gov finding a way to tax it.

A lot of people dont like to smoke and it's THC and CBD' but making oil is easy. Edibles are easy to make.
Separating the THC and CBD is the hard bit, I would have thought they are better off getting a little stoned

Its not that hard you just grow a low THC / high CBD strain. The plant breeding and selection is already out there.
Cannabis is a really interesting plant and is by far the most genetically modified plant in modern times.

[Crazy Dazz]

Most modern medicine has its roots in natural remedies. Doctors are not opposed to natural remedies, most will tell you that the start to a healthy diet is fresh vegetables and fruit. The most widely used powerful pain relievers were originally derived from opium, and many products still use commercially grown poppies.
Yet the medical profession as a whole maintains there is no therapeutic benefit from Cannabis.

Anything with remotely medicinal properties has long since been extracted, purified, and synthesised. Every year big pharma spends billions testing everything from noxious weeds to spider-venom. They have tested every conceivable derivative of cannabis and found nothing they can sell. WTF does that tell you.

Off course the intaweb is full of people claiming all sorts of miracle cures from cannabis, and many other people reporting those claims as "fact".
So what else is new?
There's a billion people in China who think Rhino-Horn is an aphrodisiac, people who believe you can cure all manner of illnesses with aromatic oils, or by shoving a hose up your ****, etc, etc.
So forgive me if I still insist on getting my medical information from the medical and scientific experts, rather than from some dude on the internet.

This is not to say that there aren't some beneficial side-affects from cannabis, but the utterly bizarre thing is those people who refuse to take medication that actually does the job, but will instead subject themselves to the risks associated with cannabis.
My Dad went through years of chemo. It made him puke, so the doctor game him anti-nausea medication. Problem solved.

For people who have abnormally suppressed appetites, cannabis products can "help" because they act on those particular receptors in the brain. (aka "the munchies") But other safer drugs can do the same thing.

The biggest problem with the debate is that most proponents of "medicinal" cannabis are also those who enjoy getting stoned, and argue for the legalisation of recreational cannabis. So they are not exactly unbiased.

And the biggest problem with "medicinal" cannabis, is that its a joke. Look at anywhere its been legalised in the USA. Stoners can go to a "medicinal" pot outlet and buy any damn variety they choose.

I cannot say that pot screws up everyone who uses it. One study established a 90% correlation between psychotic mental illnesses, and a history of pot use. But that was saying that 90% of psychos had used pot, no indication of what % of pot user become psychos.
One argument being that it only triggers those with an underlying predisposition.
I have unfortunately known a few people who have screwed themselves up with pot, and become psychotic, paranoid, and in some cases schitzo.
But again, I don't know how many pot users I may have known who didn't develop any symptoms.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Most modern medicine has its roots in natural remedies.

Yup, smoking a hundred cones a week will **** you up. Some ****s cant control themselves.
Legal, why does the pharmacy have stoner material ? Go to the liquor outlet and knock yourself out.

'My Dad went through years of chemo. It made him puke, so the doctor game him anti-nausea medication. Problem solved. maybe relevant, have a stone on


Study a little on the effects of CBD, sounds like you could do with some. New profile 'Not So Crazy Dazz'

Oh, if you are a nutter, don't drink alcohol

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Most modern medicine has its roots in natural remedies. Doctors are not opposed to natural remedies, most will tell you that the start to a healthy diet is fresh vegetables and fruit. The most widely used powerful pain relievers were originally derived from opium, and many products still use commercially grown poppies.
Yet the medical profession as a whole maintains there is no therapeutic benefit from Cannabis.

Anything with remotely medicinal properties has long since been extracted, purified, and synthesised. Every year big pharma spends billions testing everything from noxious weeds to spider-venom. They have tested every conceivable derivative of cannabis and found nothing they can sell. WTF does that tell you.

Off course the intaweb is full of people claiming all sorts of miracle cures from cannabis, and many other people reporting those claims as "fact".
So what else is new?
There's a billion people in China who think Rhino-Horn is an aphrodisiac, people who believe you can cure all manner of illnesses with aromatic oils, or by shoving a hose up your ****, etc, etc.
So forgive me if I still insist on getting my medical information from the medical and scientific experts, rather than from some dude on the internet.

This is not to say that there aren't some beneficial side-affects from cannabis, but the utterly bizarre thing is those people who refuse to take medication that actually does the job, but will instead subject themselves to the risks associated with cannabis.
My Dad went through years of chemo. It made him puke, so the doctor game him anti-nausea medication. Problem solved.

For people who have abnormally suppressed appetites, cannabis products can "help" because they act on those particular receptors in the brain. (aka "the munchies") But other safer drugs can do the same thing.

The biggest problem with the debate is that most proponents of "medicinal" cannabis are also those who enjoy getting stoned, and argue for the legalisation of recreational cannabis. So they are not exactly unbiased.

And the biggest problem with "medicinal" cannabis, is that its a joke. Look at anywhere its been legalised in the USA. Stoners can go to a "medicinal" pot outlet and buy any damn variety they choose.

I cannot say that pot screws up everyone who uses it. One study established a 90% correlation between psychotic mental illnesses, and a history of pot use. But that was saying that 90% of psychos had used pot, no indication of what % of pot user become psychos.
One argument being that it only triggers those with an underlying predisposition.
I have unfortunately known a few people who have screwed themselves up with pot, and become psychotic, paranoid, and in some cases schitzo.
But again, I don't know how many pot users I may have known who didn't develop any symptoms.

So many things here.
Why do doctors now prescribe CBD ? 5,270 cases last month, 5,564 the month before; ; 61,000 to date. It was allowed post the National Drugs Amendment Act 2016

Users wanting it legal, the title of the thread is 'Medicinal Cannabis'

.... people getting screwed up from THC etc. ; that is simply improper /excess use. The deaths from alcohol each year is massive, > 6,000, likely a small fraction. attributed to pot use yet alcohol is legal. I suggest the ability to tax it is a lot of the reason.
Quote: 'In 2018, there were 264 drug-induced deaths where cannabinoids were present. Compared with other licit and illicit drugs, cannabinoids are less frequently present in drug-induced deaths'

To date, the TGA has approved SAS applications including, but not limited to, the following indications:

• chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting
• refractory paediatric epilepsy
• palliative care indications
• cancer pain
• neuropathic pain
• spasticity from neurological conditions
• anorexia and wasting associated with chronic illness (such as cancer).

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

So many things here.
Why do doctors now prescribe CBD ? 5,270 cases last month, 5,564 the month before; ; 61,000 to date.

Even well-intentioned doctors over-prescribe millions of doses of medication every year, not to mention the unscrupulous ones who sell prescriptions for opioids and amphetamines.
And you're surprised people can find "doctors" to write them scripts for weed-oil?

And as I said there are undoubtedly are some therapeutic benefits (to some components) and if so those compounds will be isolated and reproduced, and yes doctors can prescribe them in controlled dosages.

That's not the issue. This thread is about "medical cannabis" being available over the counter without prescription. So what ****ing relevance are the stats on prescriptions?
As I said, the problem, in very jurisdiction where this has occurred, is that stoners can simply stroll in Hairy Joe's Pot Emporium, and buy whatever the hell they want, under the guise of "medicinal."

Giving weed to terminally ill patients, is a different matter altogether.
I think the attitude is a little callous, but it seems to be a case of "well you're dying anyway..." The standard regimen is strong opioids, so yeah, weed brownies can hardly be any worse.
It's not my cup of tea, I'd rather go out with what's left of my faculties intact, but I'm certainly not going to criticise those that choose oblivion.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Even well-intentioned doctors over-prescribe millions of doses of medication every year, not to mention the unscrupulous ones who sell prescriptions for opioids and amphetamines.
And you're surprised people can find "doctors" to write them scripts for weed-oil?

And as I said there are undoubtedly are some therapeutic benefits (to some components) and if so those compounds will be isolated and reproduced, and yes doctors can prescribe them in controlled dosages.

That's not the issue. This thread is about "medical cannabis" being available over the counter without prescription. So what ****ing relevance are the stats on prescriptions?
As I said, the problem, in very jurisdiction where this has occurred, is that stoners can simply stroll in Hairy Joe's Pot Emporium, and buy whatever the hell they want, under the guise of "medicinal."

Giving weed to terminally ill patients, is a different matter altogether.
I think the attitude is a little callous, but it seems to be a case of "well you're dying anyway..." The standard regimen is strong opioids, so yeah, weed brownies can hardly be any worse.
It's not my cup of tea, I'd rather go out with what's left of my faculties intact, but I'm certainly not going to criticise those that choose oblivion.

Sorry Dazz but your discussion misses reality, facts etc.
Do some study and then comment about being 'stoned' and medicinal (CBD)
You do know what CBD is yes ?, You understand THC yes ?
'Oblivion' comment suggests that you have no idea.

What drugs do you use ?

Why 'Crazy' Dazz ?

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

Sorry Dazz but your discussion misses reality, facts etc.
Do some study and then comment about being 'stoned' and medicinal (CBD)
You do know what CBD is yes ?, You understand THC yes ?
'Oblivion' comment suggests that you have no idea.

What drugs do you use ?

Why 'Crazy' Dazz ?

Most Australians have been led to believe that smoking Dope is a real mad thing like on par with the rest of the drugs that people can get hooked on and even die because of such rubbish.

No one can die of smoking dope, you can go drink a bottle of Rum and die from that you know.

But I am against the criminal element that is dealing with Dope that is a problem.
I believe in licencing smoking Dope and Government selling such as a quality non tampered with product and the licencing will go far to help bring about a much better society so as to stamp out most of the morons out of the system and this will give more credibility respect for our cops.

I seen school kids back in the 70's sniffing glue, the whole bush land across from the schools was covered in plastic bags use for such rubbish. I ask why was that.
I seen bad drugs were sold in Sydney in train stations on TV and what was done to stop such ? Nothing ! but if everyone was like me and some nog came selling such to me I would put him into next week, as a duty of care for my Nations people, but the Law would not see it that way, so they were in fact aiding and abetting drug pushers in my books.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

Sorry Dazz but your discussion misses reality, facts etc.
Do some study and then comment about being 'stoned' and medicinal (CBD)
You do know what CBD is yes ?, You understand THC yes ?
'Oblivion' comment suggests that you have no idea.

What drugs do you use ?

Why 'Crazy' Dazz ?

I'd suggest that you learn to read English, but I guess that's the problem with smoking all that weed. Maybe get somebody who talks really slowly to explain this to you.

This thread is about "Medicinal Cannabis" being made available over the counter. It's not about hemp oil, wheatgrass, or any other remedies.

It's about anyone (yes, including stoners) being able go into a shop, and buy "medicinal" cannabis over the counter.

By definition, it also makes it perfectly legal to be in the possession of said "medicinal" cannabis, so in practice it becomes a de facto legalisation of cannabis.

Since this is a motoring forum, I will also point out that this creates huge problem when Stoner Joe gets behind the wheel. Currently any detection would leave him open to charges of driving under the influence, but what happens if it's "medicinal"? I don't know the answer, but I can see it being a problem.

It's crazy that you now can't even buy damn Panadeine over the counter, and cannot take it at work, without a script. And proper decongestants are almost unobtainable, but hey, lets make weed universally available.

[snap0964]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

You do know what CBD is yes ?, You understand THC yes ?

Reading some of the later posts here, it does appear a few don't realise that proper CBD oil has
had the THC (hallucinogen)element removed - to a max of 2%.

[DASTIG]

I have seen the benefits from CBD oil.

Lady with back pain taking way to many pain killers that caused stomach ulcers. CBD helped with the pain, didn't eliminate it totally and more importantly no more ulcers and stopped the addiction to the pain killers.
Baby born with regular fits that if not treated and stopped could have caused deaths. CBD has reduced the numbers and severity substantially, still working on the amount of treatment to get the best results but the baby is much more happier. Parents suggested this treatment to initial Drs but they just laughed it off. Found another Dr that was more knowable in its benefits.

Althea Group is an Australia company that has developed a concierge app that can help put people in contact with trained Drs. They have assisted the Drs and the joe public to cut through the red tape to receive treatment for the correct illnesses that it there is researched evidence of benefits. Althea is in the process of rolling this out in the UK as well. They produce CBD here in Australia, Canada, export to Uk, USA and soon Germany and South Africa. I disclose that I am a shareholder after doing plenty of my own research.

Good luck to all.

[mick taylor]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Most modern medicine has its roots in natural remedies. Doctors are not opposed to natural remedies, most will tell you that the start to a healthy diet is fresh vegetables and fruit. The most widely used powerful pain relievers were originally derived from opium, and many products still use commercially grown poppies.
Yet the medical profession as a whole maintains there is no therapeutic benefit from Cannabis.

Anything with remotely medicinal properties has long since been extracted, purified, and synthesised. Every year big pharma spends billions testing everything from noxious weeds to spider-venom. They have tested every conceivable derivative of cannabis and found nothing they can sell. WTF does that tell you.

Off course the intaweb is full of people claiming all sorts of miracle cures from cannabis, and many other people reporting those claims as "fact".
So what else is new?
There's a billion people in China who think Rhino-Horn is an aphrodisiac, people who believe you can cure all manner of illnesses with aromatic oils, or by shoving a hose up your ****, etc, etc.
So forgive me if I still insist on getting my medical information from the medical and scientific experts, rather than from some dude on the internet.

This is not to say that there aren't some beneficial side-affects from cannabis, but the utterly bizarre thing is those people who refuse to take medication that actually does the job, but will instead subject themselves to the risks associated with cannabis.
My Dad went through years of chemo. It made him puke, so the doctor game him anti-nausea medication. Problem solved.

For people who have abnormally suppressed appetites, cannabis products can "help" because they act on those particular receptors in the brain. (aka "the munchies") But other safer drugs can do the same thing.

The biggest problem with the debate is that most proponents of "medicinal" cannabis are also those who enjoy getting stoned, and argue for the legalisation of recreational cannabis. So they are not exactly unbiased.

And the biggest problem with "medicinal" cannabis, is that its a joke. Look at anywhere its been legalised in the USA. Stoners can go to a "medicinal" pot outlet and buy any damn variety they choose.

I cannot say that pot screws up everyone who uses it. One study established a 90% correlation between psychotic mental illnesses, and a history of pot use. But that was saying that 90% of psychos had used pot, no indication of what % of pot user become psychos.
One argument being that it only triggers those with an underlying predisposition.
I have unfortunately known a few people who have screwed themselves up with pot, and become psychotic, paranoid, and in some cases schitzo.
But again, I don't know how many pot users I may have known who didn't develop any symptoms.

A old mate of mine smoked pot from 1983 to 2019 he was on the bong every hour, when he woke up he would be straight into the bong, now I seen him in Jun and he said he gave smoking dope up and the smokes as well now but he said the smokes were the hardest by way far more to give up. he said that was a real battle he was still dealing with. he was an alcoholic as well but gave that up ok about 8 ears ago.
He was the sort of dude that is called a compulsive obsessive nowadays.

I smoked a little pot from when I was 21yo to 30yo and only never bought it 2 times shearing in a bag with a mate and he keep the bag and the only reason that I did was because I hated my job and drinking was due to the same, looking back it was to escape the hell I was in. I was driven to it at the end of the week.
I got to the point that I did not want to live and I always hated people who did drugs and when I smoked the pot I met many really nice people who smoked pot. most gave such up within 10 years.
I never got about with other people then on pot.
That dude that mentioned above he got into mushrooms and then the speed when he went to Sydney and came back nearly dead.

The view point of the average Aussie as to smoking dope was just pathetic uneducated childish dribbling nonsense. but nowadays dope is much stronger in the last 20 years to the point that it's a really bad drug now and if you buy any that has been grown under lights it's bad for you because it lacks a chemical and because of that lack it sends people schitzo. I seen about such on a real good honest TV show all about the history.
Not to mention they who smoke the synthetic dope that's really stupid thing to do.

I am all for being Licenced to smoke pot and quality real pot sold by the Government is the only way to deal with the madness criminal element. we have to get rid of the drop kick attitude that sadly prevails over such issues, because what the gov has been doing is truly only aiding criminal intent. they are not winning and society is failing badly because of their childish attitudes.

[Mr_G6ET]

Originally Posted by mick taylor

A old mate of mine smoked pot from 1983 to 2019 he was on the bong every hour, when he woke up he would be straight into the bong, now I seen him in Jun and he said he gave smoking dope up and the smokes as well now but he said the smokes were the hardest by way far more to give up. he said that was a real battle he was still dealing with. he was an alcoholic as well but gave that up ok about 8 ears ago.
He was the sort of dude that is called a compulsive obsessive nowadays.

I smoked a little pot from when I was 21yo to 30yo and only never bought it 2 times shearing in a bag with a mate and he keep the bag and the only reason that I did was because I hated my job and drinking was due to the same, looking back it was to escape the hell I was in. I was driven to it at the end of the week.
I got to the point that I did not want to live and I always hated people who did drugs and when I smoked the pot I met many really nice people who smoked pot. most gave such up within 10 years.
I never got about with other people then on pot.
That dude that mentioned above he got into mushrooms and then the speed when he went to Sydney and came back nearly dead.

The view point of the average Aussie as to smoking dope was just pathetic uneducated childish dribbling nonsense. but nowadays dope is much stronger in the last 20 years to the point that it's a really bad drug now and if you buy any that has been grown under lights it's bad for you because it lacks a chemical and because of that lack it sends people schitzo. I seen about such on a real good honest TV show all about the history.
Not to mention they who smoke the synthetic dope that's really stupid thing to do.

I am all for being Licenced to smoke pot and quality real pot sold by the Government is the only way to deal with the madness criminal element. we have to get rid of the drop kick attitude that sadly prevails over such issues, because what the gov has been doing is truly only aiding criminal intent. they are not winning and society is failing badly because of their childish attitudes.

Good call, that dude giving up like that is impressive.

There is always individuals that go further, little to do with pot, likely alcohol initially lowering his inhibitions.

Laws are forcing bad ****, synthetics for eg. Tried that while drunk one night and nearly died

.. the reason it is grown indoors is because of excessive government laws, forcing this process.
.. the reason certain ethnic crime syndicates exist is because of government position.

Alcohol does far more damage to society compared to pot...... but we were talking medicinal