Radar detectors

scozzman · 05-12-2005, 09:06 PM

Hi all....

im from w.a where we are still allowed to use radar detectors, however rumor has it that this will soon be abolished. i understand that the police over east use ''stalcar'' radar detector detectors. i would like to know from those from the eastern states how they go with there radar detectors. is the stalcar 100% reliable? or do you guys just dont waste your time using detectors anymore? those of yous that do - is there anyway around this problem?

im curiouse in finding out how things are done over there concerning this game of cat and mouse......

cheers

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MO · 05-12-2005, 10:15 PM

As far as I know there maybe a few who use detectors..but most use road angel,as detectors are illegal in the east.

In the main though most just take their chances!

T_Terror · 05-12-2005, 10:25 PM

ive never been detected detected and havent heard of anyone that has.

superpursuit83 · 06-12-2005, 09:50 AM

I am also in WA, Doesnt the Bell rx65 have detector detector detection?

What is road angel?

The Taipan · 06-12-2005, 10:43 AM

A Police Officer told me the most common and most reliable radar detector detector is when a suspect vehicle is pulled over officer A walks up to the driver and starts talking and taking details, while officer B gives the car a radar blast. If Driver A has not turned the device A off, officer A will hear a tell-tale noise...

SL

ratman · 06-12-2005, 11:35 AM

my brother got done a few years ago in n.s.w. - basically went past a cop car (slightly) speeding but in a convoy of 3, the detector went off quite late as it was on the Clyde (from canberra to the coast for those who don't know, it's quite a tight and twisty road.) he saw the copper go past having a good look at all of them. 2 minutes later he thought he'd pull over and hide the unit, as he was doing this, the cop rocks up and pings him. The officer told him he should have kept going as their detector went off but they didn't know exactly which of the 3 had it installed so were going to follow / overtake to see if anything was attached to the windscreen or their unit would go off again, but not pull anyone over for speeding.
my brother hit them with all the questions, which he says they seemed to be genuine about in how they can detect a unit, nonetheless they still confiscated it (& it wasn't his) hit him with an $895 fine for having one + $200 odd for speeding), needless to say the worst part of it was the rest of the trip down and back was with my mother, who was riding shotgun when he got done, never let him live it down then and still hammers him about it, gotta laugh now, though.

scozzman · 06-12-2005, 02:27 PM

pretty hefty fine...worse than drink driving.
what is road angel?

GTP 320 · 06-12-2005, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by scozzman

pretty hefty fine...worse than drink driving.
what is road angel?

Some sort of a cheap unit which will warn you of speed camera's etc,railways crossing,in my opinion a waste of time.A radar dectector would be the thing to have.
Cheers John

IH8HSV · 06-12-2005, 07:36 PM

i looked up ''road angel'' on the net. - and cant see it helping against cameras. especially police radar.
i suppose us w.a drivers will have to make our radar detectors obsolete just like those in the eastern states.
according to a review i read, the police ''stalcar'' cannot be hidden from even with the Bel rx65.

cArSiK · 06-12-2005, 08:01 PM

VG-2 is a microwave reciever used by Police to detect signals radiated by radar detectors. Spectre is the newest tool police have in detecting radar detectors , im not sure of any detectors on the market that alert the user to this new technology.

James

F6 UTE · 06-12-2005, 08:03 PM

Bel RX65 is just another detector, it has no stealth ability.

I use the Escort Passport 8500 X50, same same.

A 'Road Angel' will alert you of fixed location cameras, including Red lights, of which we have none in WAWA.

There is no 100% Stealth unit available. You can get units that will blow it's own fuse at the push of a button to make it 'undetectable' if a cop tries the trick of getting it to squalk when near it.. You can get hardwired ones which are stealth in that you can't 'see' them. But these are not truly 'undetectable'.

Redrum · 06-12-2005, 08:23 PM

Not aware at all of Vic Pol using detector detectors, couldn't afford them, plus lasers being such a tight beam and aimed, are already locked making detector, detectors useless.

cArSiK · 06-12-2005, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by F6 UTE

You can get units that will blow it's own fuse at the push of a button to make it 'undetectable' if a cop tries the trick of getting it to squalk when near it..

why would you do that and not just pull the thing out of the ciggy lighter

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Thunder · 07-12-2005, 10:57 AM

Queensland based "radar guru" Roy Zegers makes radar detecters that so far have been fool proof. Last year i sent him an enquirey (from his website cant remember the site) and here is his response. Seems like a geniune guy.

Hi Xxxxx,
There is no gamble with our product of that you can be assured. We do understand your concerns but since the introduction of the net business most companies are now dealing this way.

There are many detectors available but these are all detectable by the Stalcar MK 3 RDD used in Australia by police. (www.spectre-rdd.com)
If you require a unit which is undetectable by the Stalcar MK 3 RDD then either the portable 426 plus at a cost of $1450 is available or the remote 526 plus which allows for a hidden instal at a cost of $1650. Both units will detect speed camera's and mobile radar used on the east coast of Australia.
Hand held laser guns such as the Prolaser 111 are used mainly in built up areas and require a separate device to detect and jam the laser gun. This device likewise is undetectable and available at a cost of $1650.
In most cases the devices are sold as a pair one radar remote and one laser remote at a reduced cost of $3050.

Regards
Roy Zegers
ARDS P/L

I cant see how i would get $3050 worth of fines to warrant the need to buy these units.

GT 8888 · 07-12-2005, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Thunder

Queensland based "radar guru" Roy Zegers makes radar detecters that so far have been fool proof. Last year i sent him an enquirey (from his website cant remember the site) and here is his response. Seems like a geniune guy.

Hi Xxxxx,
There is no gamble with our product of that you can be assured. We do understand your concerns but since the introduction of the net business most companies are now dealing this way.

There are many detectors available but these are all detectable by the Stalcar MK 3 RDD used in Australia by police. (www.spectre-rdd.com)
If you require a unit which is undetectable by the Stalcar MK 3 RDD then either the portable 426 plus at a cost of $1450 is available or the remote 526 plus which allows for a hidden instal at a cost of $1650. Both units will detect speed camera's and mobile radar used on the east coast of Australia.
Hand held laser guns such as the Prolaser 111 are used mainly in built up areas and require a separate device to detect and jam the laser gun. This device likewise is undetectable and available at a cost of $1650.
In most cases the devices are sold as a pair one radar remote and one laser remote at a reduced cost of $3050.

Regards
Roy Zegers
ARDS P/L

I cant see how i would get $3050 worth of fines to warrant the need to buy these units.

I thought radar detectors were illegal in all states apart from WA.....I am surprised that this guy is allowed to sell them. I agree, it does seem to be a lot of money though.

A very good friend of mine has a radar detector and was caught on the Freeway the other day. No cars around him and his radar detector(which is only a few months old) did not pick up the laser gun at all.

Thunder · 07-12-2005, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by xr8888

I thought radar detectors were illegal in all states apart from WA.....I am surprised that this guy is allowed to sell them. I agree, it does seem to be a lot of money though.

A very good friend of mine has a radar detector and was caught on the Freeway the other day. No cars around him and his radar detector(which is only a few months old) did not pick up the laser gun at all.

Its only ilelegal to have one in the car, not illegal to sell.

The police have great technology on their side. Alot of the cheap detectors on the market are not designed for Australian police. The radars our East coast police use are different to many other countries (and different to W.A) so using a japanese or american designed detector would be useless.

Also more cops use LAZER guns to detect speed NOT RADAR. Lazers cannot be detected (cause they are so quick), their beam can only be shifted.

Redrum · 07-12-2005, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder

Queensland based "radar guru" Roy Zegers makes radar detecters that so far have been fool proof. Last year i sent him an enquirey (from his website cant remember the site) and here is his response. Seems like a geniune guy.

Hi Xxxxx,
There is no gamble with our product of that you can be assured. We do understand your concerns but since the introduction of the net business most companies are now dealing this way.

There are many detectors available but these are all detectable by the Stalcar MK 3 RDD used in Australia by police. (www.spectre-rdd.com)
If you require a unit which is undetectable by the Stalcar MK 3 RDD then either the portable 426 plus at a cost of $1450 is available or the remote 526 plus which allows for a hidden instal at a cost of $1650. Both units will detect speed camera's and mobile radar used on the east coast of Australia.
Hand held laser guns such as the Prolaser 111 are used mainly in built up areas and require a separate device to detect and jam the laser gun. This device likewise is undetectable and available at a cost of $1650.
In most cases the devices are sold as a pair one radar remote and one laser remote at a reduced cost of $3050.

Regards
Roy Zegers
ARDS P/L

I cant see how i would get $3050 worth of fines to warrant the need to buy these units.

I know little about how lasers work techincally, but how the hell does one jam a laser? A beam of light is sent to a vehicle and bounces back. The common probs are angle of surface, air conditions and colour of vehicle. Fog stuffs lasers, dark colours made them less effective also whilst truck windscreens can give higher readings. I could understand a radar being jammed.

nang3 · 07-12-2005, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder

...I cant see how i would get $3050 worth of fines to warrant the need to buy these units.

that is pretty exxy !! but when you factor in the real world costs with losing your licence plus the fiscal penalties it looks a lot more attractive...

on a side note, i use a bel vector 945 and it has saved me more than a couple of times so far !!

EA2BA · 07-12-2005, 12:13 PM

Like alot of things, is not illegal to sell them, just illegal to use them.

Keepleft · 07-12-2005, 05:13 PM

You WA folk would do well to resist any move to try once again to ban radar detectors. The previous Liberal Transprt Minister, Criddle, stood his ground and prevented a ban, and to date, I've had no signal of change with this.

I se no road safety benefit in a ban.

If the issue heats up, DO make an effort to contact the existing WA Minister and opposition.

GT-E · 07-12-2005, 05:40 PM

All detectors are RDD proof if they are turned off.
I have never had any issues with being detected in 10 years of daily use in Sydney. The RDD the highway patrol use are only used in country/freeway areas and are very prone to false alerting, just like normal detectors. Make sure you have a consealed unit as the cops cannot pull your car apart to find it.

Laser Jammers are great and do work. There would be only 2 models you would consider, the Blinder M-20 / 40 or the Lidtek LE-30, the rest are crap or a scam.
The LIDAR jammers work by receiving the LIDAR signal and replying with the same signal, so the gun cannot jam. With the LE-30 you have 5 seconds of jamming before it resets. The Blinder will continue to jam, so it must be turned off.

IH8HSV · 07-12-2005, 05:51 PM

Hi all....

does the laser jammer notify you when you are being pinged or do you have to hook it up to a radar detector?
i have a bel rx65, so can i hook it up to that? i know the bel rx65 has ''laser pro 905'' which is capatible with the rx65 but im not to sure if they work o.k or not.

how much are these ''blinder m20'' worth.

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nang3 · 07-12-2005, 07:27 PM

^^ yeh my bel does too !! surprised me the other day when it announced Highway Construction/Maintenace ahead... then later that day informed me that there was a medical situation/emergency ahead, sure enough a couple of kays down the road there was a crash with ambo etc
i didnt even know it had it !!

AUCOON · 07-12-2005, 10:34 PM

A simple fix to your problem don't speed!

Keepleft · 07-12-2005, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AUCOON

A simple fix to your problem don't speed!

A simple enough proposition, does not take into account receiving a speeding fine when the dill has mis-set the applicable speed limit.

Daddy, what is 'speeding'?

GT-E · 07-12-2005, 10:57 PM

Thanks for the comment AUCOON, I am sure you have never spead, there is always one tosser in the crowd

The LIDAR jammers will detect and countermeasure a LIDAR reading.
They will cost you around the $500-600 mark.

AUCOON · 08-12-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ZapXR6T

Thanks for the comment AUCOON, I am sure you have never spead, there is always one tosser in the crowd

The LIDAR jammers will detect and countermeasure a LIDAR reading.
They will cost you around the $500-600 mark.

Don't know what spead is i think it's speed you mean, i suppose you are on your P plates and have to drive flat out everywhere. And as for a tosser it would be you!! i guess you have never witnessed a member of your family being hit head and killed by another speeding driver who lost control.
And yes i had been over the speed limit before, but after what i witnessed i don't speed any more.

geckoGT · 08-12-2005, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ZapXR6T

Thanks for the comment AUCOON, I am sure you have never spead, there is always one tosser in the crowd

That is a bit harsh! IMO is was a relevant question and not one that required a personal insult.

I have to agree with AUCOON, sure I go over the limit by a small amount (around 10k's) quite often depending on the conditions. I am like most people that are honest with themselves. I have even been known to go over the limit by a lot when the risk is low and I am enjoying the XR8. I don't however see the need to spend $3000+ on all this anti radar/laser technology unless you constantly speed and probably in some of the wrong conditions. I see them breeding the habit of "I don't have to slow down here because I know there are no speed traps".
I don't have any form of detector and I have not had a ticket in 4 years, my last being for less than 15 k's over so I now have the full 12 points left. I have had a couple of warnings but that is because I know how to pass the police attitude test. I just do not see the need for all this illegal technology unless you intend to get you money's worth in which case I seriously question the safety of that attitude. Lets not forget these things can not tell you when a kid is going to run out on the road or another car is going to pull out in front of you.
My point is we should be able to debate the subject in this forum but I think personal attacks are best left out, we are supposed to be all friends here with a common goal, to enjoy our cars.

OLDFORDNUT · 08-12-2005, 08:20 AM

my mate was travelling down the Bruce hiway stuck in a group of cars in his old stock XW sedan when cop went past and did a screaming uturn to round up a few cars and pick him to pull over,(he had a radar detector hidden behind his grill)as soon as he detected the cops radar he turned his unit off before police car had done the uturn.
when he spoke to cop he denied having one so they searched his car until they found it and handed him over $1200 in tickets plus ripped out the detector,
they showed him a box on the dash of police car made of slapped together alloy sheet with 5 or 6 switches and lights on front panel and written in texta above each light was brand names of several detectors.
amazing but true
he still cant work out how they knew it was his car as the other newer cars in front and behind were left out while they specifically ran him down in his old banger XW.

superpursuit83 · 08-12-2005, 09:39 AM

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It would be an interesting legal experiment, unfortunately I dont have the 9 points and over $1k spare in case it doesn't work

This is the main thing that stops a lot of challenges, have to be rich to win