Libs say if elected will make Geelong Freeway a 110 zone!

[EDManual]

Thats official now!

Have been talking about it, now its been made an official promise.

They also keep talking about putting the tolerence up to 10% again, so we can legally do 121 on this highway.

Brax's kronies say "that 121 on that road is a licence to kill!"

Many people slow down for the speed cameras, then speed up again anyway.

He has been on the road to geelong a bit lately.

OPPOSITION Leader Robert Doyle says the speed limit on sections of the
Geelong Road should be increased to 110 km/h.

"When I travel along that road, I think to myself, 'I've travelled on
the Hume (Freeway) and the Calder (Freeway) at 110 km/h and they are
nowhere near the quality or the safety of the Geelong Road', so I don't
understand the argument for it not being 110 km/h in some sections," he
said.

"If we only built a road that was capable of 100 km/h then we
short-changed Geelong. If we built a road that was capable of 110 km/h, why
aren't we driving at 110 km/h?"

[4.9 EF Futura]

Libs in SA promised to raise a lot of streets from 50 back to 60. Lol, they lost worst than usual but id love to see some of the roads back at 60...

[chevypower]

I would have more chance of falling asleep at the wheel at 99km/h under Bracks' regime than cruising at 120km/h under common sense law... I know who i am voting for!

[Redrum]

I will be voting for Mr Doyle!!

[LTDHO]

All freeways should be 110 minimum!

Police should target those who don't keep left and drive at 90 in the right lane, making us brake the law by passing on the left!

Sooner the speed limit is increased, the less time it will take to get to you desination and your are happier.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

All freeways should be 110 minimum!

Police should target those who don't keep left and drive at 90 in the right lane, making us brake the law by passing on the left!

Sooner the speed limit is increased, the less time it will take to get to you desination and your are happier.

I agree 100%

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

All freeways should be 110 minimum!

Police should target those who don't keep left and drive at 90 in the right lane, making us brake the law by passing on the left!

Sooner the speed limit is increased, the less time it will take to get to you desination and your are happier.

Well said.

[Falcon Freak]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

All freeways should be 110 minimum!

Police should target those who don't keep left and drive at 90 in the right lane, making us brake the law by passing on the left!

Sooner the speed limit is increased, the less time it will take to get to you desination and your are happier.

Freeways can tolerate speeds up to 130 km/hr during the day in dry conditions. Most of western Europe with these types of roads are speed limited to 130km/hr. 110km/hr is not enough.

FF

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

Freeways can tolerate speeds up to 130 km/hr during the day in dry conditions. Most of western Europe with these types of roads are speed limited to 130km/hr. 110km/hr is not enough.

FF

Falcon Freak I am not having a shot at you here, but my response is targeted at the suggestion, accepted by many.

For the moment, I could not support raising a speed limit on a freeway/motorway length of road for two primary reasons, in time yes, they are:

1) The median U-Turn bays are downright dangerous even at 100km/h, they need a form of movable fencing to deter casual U turners. Hideous potential and often results in crashes and near misses as people misjudge speed. If I had my way I'd remove them just like in Europe.

2) The lack of median barrier for a full length. Sydney's M7 is an eample of a road that almost fully complies in this regard.

In raising speed limits, and some federal reports seem mildly advocative of this, we should not forget to further tighten up vehicle requirement as 'a whole of answer' approach.

I'll just point out, that there is 'little' difference between a road designed for 110km/h and one designed for 130km/h, the two above issues are part of the differences, delinneation and sight distance are others. The typical cross-sections remain the same.

[12]

Originally Posted by LTDHO

All freeways should be 110 minimum!

Police should target those who don't keep left and drive at 90 in the right lane, making us brake the law by passing on the left!

Sooner the speed limit is increased, the less time it will take to get to you desination and your are happier.

: So true. Well put LTDHO.

[XA-Coupe]

ok.. I have gone through this thread deleting the political 'debate' not relevant to automotive subjects.

The next person who drags it off topic with that can have a few days to think about it. We are tolerant with political debate only as long as it is relevant to this forum. Anything else is not tolerated.

[Mark351]

It was definitely built to be a 110kph road.

[Black XR6]

Its not what the liberals promise that worries me, its what they dont mention until they are elected.

[XRchic]

I live in SA but I am tempted to change my enrolment to vote, so that my address is in Victoria, and therefore register to vote in Vic, just so that I could vote Bracks out. I would say that he is one of the most hated politicians in Australia, and in the land of tall poppy cutters and politically ignorant voters, that is saying something!

His approach to road fatalities and road safety is digusting and he and his government have totally lost focus of the fact they are trying to save lives, but seem to prefer to focus on revenue raising, quite blatantly, and justify it with lame reasoning about how speed cameras save lives... all the while, the roads in country Vic are pretty bad, and while young drivers need driver training courses... duh!

As for the Geelong Road, I have driven on it many times and I dont think I have ever seen a highway which is more suited to 110kmh+ in all of Australia (and even some other countries where the limits are much higher and the roads much poorer). Some parts of the Hume are disgraceful in condition, but it is 110kmh along a lot of it! Many SA country roads are too narrow, windy and steep and yet are set at inappropriately too high speed limits in my opinion.

The Geelong Road is long, with too many lanes either side to count, it is straight, has great visability, there are no residential areas along the sides, or even that much of anything except for the odd petrol station or exit. In fact, it is so empty, it is boring, I dont see how anyone is more likely to have an accident along it, than any other road... I think even the worst driver, at night, could easily manage 120kmh along it.

I dont even think that this issue is about party politics at all, I think it is about Victoria holding the record for having the Premier with the lowest IQ ever recorded in a politician, Labor or Liberal!

I hope you Vics vote the bugger out, and his fellow idiots, so that I can travel over to Vic again without losing my licence for driving at speeds which are actually legal (and therefore safe?) in my own state!

Jac

[Polyal]

Yeah the libs are so in.....that freeway is the best in Victoria IMO and its only 100. The calder is a bit of a shocker, and the hume is nothing flash.

But who said they slow down for the camera then speed up? I thought they were time dependant not just speed at a point?

That freeway is insane, everone drives so close now, all lanes are full, no flow at all.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by Polyal

Yeah the libs are so in.....that freeway is the best in Victoria IMO and its only 100. The calder is a bit of a shocker, and the hume is nothing flash.

But who said they slow down for the camera then speed up? I thought they were time dependant not just speed at a point?

That freeway is insane, everone drives so close now, all lanes are full, no flow at all.

The cameras are NOT time dependant. I usually just slow down when I get to the cameras, I know where they all are.

Its a joke the Bracks recons that a 110 limit would result in carnage. How stupid does he think we are. Its probably the safest road in the state. The 100 limit is purely to p*ss people off and speed up to feed the greed cameras.

I can't even remember the last time I saw a marked Traffic duties car in Geelong, its been months since i've seen one. Thats more a deterant to see a marked car driving near you.

[Polyal]

oh and just to add another opinion.

I think that if they 10% rule comes back, it should not be in association with the 110 area's, I know it complicates it a little, but you have to draw the line somewhere, and while its only another 10kph, there are some cars that I would not like to see doing 120kph thats for sure.

[zetec]

There was ИИИИ all chance I was voting for Ballsacksy anyway, so Doyle's promises are just bonuses!!!

[EBII Fairmont]

I don't see Doyle getting in for just raising a certain road to 110km and giving us our 10% tolerance back. He needs to start doing a bit more. He needs to hurt bracks where it hurts most.

But I still fear that the state will vote bracks in once again. The opposition in realistical fact are not that great, and therefore a lot of people keep the person who is there already.

Why can't we have someone who knows how to keep the people happy and make the right decisions for us, and not for themselves:jab:?

[INJECTED_250]

A simple speed limit change wont get doyle in... He would need to make it an open limit for me to vote liberal.... Even then i wouldnt :> . ITs just a cheap grab at getting some votes, and even if he did get in, im sure like most poli's they will come up with some b/s reason why it carnt be done. Sure the road can take 110 easy, and if they did change it back to 10% tolerance it would be good. But if u dont speed u dont get caught

[Smoked]

The geelong road would be capable of 100km/h easily. Most roads are designed for 90%, which means if limited to 100 km., tne road is capable of 110.

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by Smoked

The geelong road would be capable of 100km/h easily. Most roads are designed for 90%, which means if limited to 100 km., tne road is capable of 110.

For a new stretch of road like that, I'm feeling ripped off. Surely these days they should be designing the roads for something more like 150 km/h? Higher speeds work in Europe, and now in some parts of America.

Imagine if a future Government changed the policy to allow, say, 130 km/h for divided freeways, but then couldn't implement it because no freeway was designed for more than 110 km/h?

[Smoked]

Originally Posted by Steve D

For a new stretch of road like that, I'm feeling ripped off. Surely these days they should be designing the roads for something more like 150 km/h? Higher speeds work in Europe, and now in some parts of America.

Imagine if a future Government changed the policy to allow, say, 130 km/h for divided freeways, but then couldn't implement it because no freeway was designed for more than 110 km/h?

Unfortunatly, the current design guidelines for road design dont allow the design for those speeds.

When you consider a spped limit, things like Grades, sight distances, runoff as well as the ability for trucks (our nation relies heavily on these and so our design rules are oriented in this way). The there is other considerations, such as pavement performance at thoses speeds.

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by Smoked

Unfortunatly, the current design guidelines for road design dont allow the design for those speeds.

Exactly! Grrr!

[Polyal]

Granted Doyle is just a small d|ck as Bracksy, but his not as bad, and its more about the party than the person.

When Bracksy called it "his" commonwealth games I was appauled.

[xfalconz]

Here in NSW as with all states there are perfectly good freeways with unexpected limit reductions from 110 to 90 for no apparant reason.
As said before why isnt there a uniform speed on these roads, are they deemed to be unsafe in certain parts so the limit is reduced to 90.
If this is the case why is the freeway not upgraded in these areas to make it safe for 110.
There is strech of road on the F3 freeway, 3 lanes and resurfaced, the best part of the freeway but with a sweeping corner. Can do 110 no prob but the limit drops to 90 and the police sit out of sight past the corner..

[XRated]

That stupid Freeway. I got done three times in about five days - 4km/h over, 6km/h and one I deserve 14km/h. 500 bucks for you right there, Bracksy, you cretin. Show me how it is saving lives, because it bloody well isn't.

[xfalconz]

Originally Posted by XRated

That stupid Freeway. I got done three times in about five days - 4km/h over, 6km/h and one I deserve 14km/h. 500 bucks for you right there, Bracksy, you cretin. Show me how it is saving lives, because it bloody well isn't.

Getting booked for 4/6 Kmh is f-----d up.
Youd think there would be some allowance for error in thier equipment to prevent such dodgy so called offences.
Anyway politicians always jump on the 'speed cameras save lives bandwagon' as a front for revenue creation.

[Jeeepers]

Originally Posted by xfalconz

Getting booked for 4/6 Kmh is f-----d up.
Youd think there would be some allowance for error in thier equipment to prevent such dodgy so called offences.
Anyway politicians always jump on the 'speed cameras save lives bandwagon' as a front for revenue creation.

Bracksy dropped the leeway from 10% to 3%, and yet no Automotive Manufacturer (that I know of) will guarantee more than 95% accuracy from a speedometer. But it was for road safety, not revenue... Hahahahahahah!!! :

[jabba]

Originally Posted by redfin

Bracksy dropped the leeway from 10% to 3%, and yet no Automotive Manufacturer (that I know of) will guarantee more than 95% accuracy from a speedometer. But it was for road safety, not revenue... Hahahahahahah!!! :

And did you know that the Australian standard for a Speedometer is +/-10%, and the Australian Standard for a Speed measuring device (radar gun/speed camera) is +/- 3%.............