Quickly I Need Some Re-assurance

[mk2_1979_escort]

PLEASE I NEED TO KNOW!!!

Upon researching various cars I can accross some stats that astounded me. A 1996 Hyundai Excel 1.5L engine is producing 74kw standard, and like my mk2 2.0L Escort it also weighs around the 950kg mark. Furthur more I found that a standard 2.0L escort also produces 74kw, what am I to make of this information. Can a 1996 standard piece of korean crap beat my Esky ( in a straight line) or at least keep up ?? surely I am wrong.

Please put my worries to rest.

:sm_drool:

[T3man]

Ha ha ha - nope, you're not wrong. I have one of those pieces of Korean crap (99 X3 Excel twin cam) and also a 99 Festiva (1.5L single cam motor). Both have no trouble keeping up with a standard 2.0L Escort. And get way way better fuel economy to boot - oh, the wonders of modern technology

[crispymk2]

Yeah but at least your not driving a girls car and if they have the same power all you need to do is be a better driver and you wont have a problem

[T3man]

Originally Posted by crispymk2

Yeah but at least your not driving a girls car and if they have the same power all you need to do is be a better driver and you wont have a problem

True - a guy looks better in an Esky. However if the girl in the girlie's car is even half awake she'll make the guy in the Esky look stupid. And I don't mean just in straight lines. Sad to admit it but the fact is that my wife's Excel, with lowered Lovells and KYB gas shocks but stock standard wheels/rubber and engine, will out perform my RS2000. My daughter's Festiva, also with modified suspension, 15" mags and 50 series rubber, also stock standard engine, will do the same.

They perform well above their engine capacity would initially indicate. That's not to say I'd ever buy one myself. But I'd be very careful while driving my Esky to not pick on one as I know I could be made very red-faced.

[whooligan]

Generally those jap slappers are a little quicker off the mark but they just don't have the torque to keep up with a well set-up pinto on any kind of incline. What you have to remember is that the pinto was de-tuned to meet the pollution laws restricting upto 20% of the potential power. A decent exhaust system, accurate timing and a good carby will regain the original horses and free up some "access" to that torque.
Plus only a moron would buy a Hyundai, so they are not worth wasting your fuel on. :

[T3man]

Originally Posted by whooligan

Generally those jap slappers are a little quicker off the mark but they just don't have the torque to keep up with a well set-up pinto on any kind of incline. What you have to remember is that the pinto was de-tuned to meet the pollution laws restricting upto 20% of the potential power. A decent exhaust system, accurate timing and a good carby will regain the original horses and free up some "access" to that torque.
Plus only a moron would buy a Hyundai, so they are not worth wasting your fuel on. :

So are you calling my wife and daughter "morons".

Just watch yourself mate or I'll borrow one of their cars and come down there and paint your Esky-driving face RED.

[JamesR]

i wanna know how many people walk past hyundai's and go, "WOW, check out that Hyundai"
probably not as many as me with my esky
i always get comments about the esky. i guess it cos they are a fairly rare car..

[T3man]

Originally Posted by JamesR

i wanna know how many people walk past hyundai's and go, "WOW, check out that Hyundai"
probably not as many as me with my esky
i always get comments about the esky. i guess it cos they are a fairly rare car..

EXACTLY!

But not what the thread was about .... emotions are one thing - facts another.

[daveking]

my emotions run high. Im 16 and just bort my first car last week... a mk 2 1980 2 dr eski. Afta much arguing wit my folks i finally convinced them to let me get an eski, instead of one of those stupid ricers, and already i get comments about it.

[whooligan]

Choosing a car SHOULD be about emotion and not purely so-called FACTS. The fact is, if you spend $10,000 on a Hyundai you have a cheap run-about that will get you from A to B in relative comfort. If you take that same $10,000 you can buy a very good, reliable and comfortable old Ford and have plenty of change left over to modify, improve and modernise that old Ford to such a level that no korean import can ever hope to achieve.
The mentality of most people on the road is that our cars are a waste of space and should be crushed and made into tin cans. But on a very real level, most people are ignorant to the fact that buying a modern car is in most cases a bigger waste. A waste of resourses, a waste of money and a waste time. Buying a korean import does nothing for the Australia economy, does nothing for the consumer (because its worth nothing as soon as you drive it of the lot) and what it saves you in fuel, costs you in up-keep. The parts are made so cheaply, they are designed to work for a few years and be thrown away. You are basically "leasing" a disposable car.
I've owned my Escort for 5 years and spent less than a grand on it in parts and replaced the entire running gear. I went out yesterday, dragged off a 5 year old Magna, almost dragged off a brand new V8 Ute, scared the crap out of my passenger, and had a 5 minute conversation with a guy at the petrol station about how you never see these "old things" on the road anymore. Tell me thats going to happen in a hyundai? I think not.
I short, by buying a hyundai, daiwoo, or whatever, you are basically saying to everyone that you are just like the rest of the boring, emotionless, mindless sheep on the road who think FACTS speak for themselves. :togo: Facts are whatever the spin-doctors want you to believe.

[T3man]

Originally Posted by whooligan

Choosing a car SHOULD be about emotion and not purely so-called FACTS. The fact is, if you spend $10,000 on a Hyundai you have a cheap run-about that will get you from A to B in relative comfort. If you take that same $10,000 you can buy a very good, reliable and comfortable old Ford and have plenty of change left over to modify, improve and modernise that old Ford to such a level that no korean import can ever hope to achieve.
The mentality of most people on the road is that our cars are a waste of space and should be crushed and made into tin cans. But on a very real level, most people are ignorant to the fact that buying a modern car is in most cases a bigger waste. A waste of resourses, a waste of money and a waste time. Buying a korean import does nothing for the Australia economy, does nothing for the consumer (because its worth nothing as soon as you drive it of the lot) and what it saves you in fuel, costs you in up-keep. The parts are made so cheaply, they are designed to work for a few years and be thrown away. You are basically "leasing" a disposable car.
I've owned my Escort for 5 years and spent less than a grand on it in parts and replaced the entire running gear. I went out yesterday, dragged off a 5 year old Magna, almost dragged off a brand new V8 Ute, scared the crap out of my passenger, and had a 5 minute conversation with a guy at the petrol station about how you never see these "old things" on the road anymore. Tell me thats going to happen in a hyundai? I think not.
I short, by buying a hyundai, daiwoo, or whatever, you are basically saying to everyone that you are just like the rest of the boring, emotionless, mindless sheep on the road who think FACTS speak for themselves. :togo: Facts are whatever the spin-doctors want you to believe.

... but has absolutely zero to do with the topic of the thread.

Just to refresh everyone's memory it was to do with the FACT of whether a Hyundai actualy did have the same power as an Esky and the simple answer has been given. You can say anything you like to justify why you should buy an Esky on an emotive basis but you can't deny the simple FACTS.

And, as for spending money on mods to an Esky vs. a Korean import, I would suggest that the same dollars spent on either would reap the same outcome - the modern EFI motors, often with twin overhead cams and multi valves, will always outperform the old carby job.

Also your criticism of the longevity of the service parts for the Koreans is so ridiculous it is laughable. When did you ever get 60,000km from a spark plug on your Esky? I have to replace mine about every 20,000km. When did you ever get 100,000km from your rotor and dissy cap? I replace mine at about the same time I do my plugs. And on top of that I have to replace condensor and points as well. Can you get 100,000km from your ignition leads? My Escort only gets half that. How often do you have to adjust or service your carby? I do mine every couple of years. With EFI it is a non-event - the fuel pumps last longer than a mechanical one on the Esky, fuel filters about the same as the Esky, injectors last heaven knows how long??? Not much expense really with these modern engines. Oh, and the OHC timing belt has to be done every 30,000km on the Esky whereas it goes 100,000km on the Festiva - go figure!

My daughter's Festiva has just done the distances I quoted above on those service items. She sure has cheaper (and just as reliable motoring) as I do from my Esky. On top of that she never gets less than 35 mpg in the city and I can't dream of that in the Esky even on a long highway trip.

Fact is I hate Jap and Korean imports for all the reasons you mentioned - but also the real FACTS regarding performance/cost/reliability are exactly as I have stated. Sad but true

[whooligan]

Wowwww!! Reel him in boys, we've got a live one here!
The wonderful thing about discussion forums is how you can polarized people on an opinion alone. My interpretation of this thread was that MK2_1979_Escort's was thinking, why has he bought an Escort when a modern korean souless piece of krap will out perform a "standard" 2lt Escort?
My point is made in the first sentence....."choosing a car SHOULD be about emotion...." and that the "facts" are merely marketing guff. When was the last time you drove an Hyundai for 100,000ks without servicing....You haven't, because it would be well stuffed well before that. I bought an 8 year old Ford/Mazda Laser, one owner car with less than 90,000 on the clock. I drove the wheels off that thing for 4 years, and it fell apart by 140,000ks.....They are simply not built to last. I've done close to 60,000ks in my RS in 5 years, thrashed the living be-jezzus out of it and thing just takes it. The old pinto might leak like a seive but, keep up the oil and water to 'em and they are bullet-proof.
Really, who gives a rats wossit about fuel economy? I've only changed my timing belt twice in 5 years and its, like a 15 minute job, anyway!!!! Tried changing one on a Ford Escape????....All 30 years of technology means is 30 x the price and hassle......Thats why people STILL race pintos and crossflows, 30 years down on....Keep it simple stupid. :
As for the dollar for dollar argument???? You are $10 grand down before you start with the rice-cooker. I bought an Escort with a fully worked engine for $600 and there isn't a NA 4 cylinder for 5 miles that can touch it. Granted $3000 was spent on the motor NINE years ago, but what would $3000 get for your Hundy? A noisy exhaust and pssed off neighbours and $13,000 wasted. If I spent my remaining $6400, I'd be chasing down motorbikes.....Do us all a favour a pss off to duffduff.com :

[T3man]

Originally Posted by whooligan

Wowwww!! Reel him in boys, we've got a live one here!
The wonderful thing about discussion forums is how you can polarized people on an opinion alone. My interpretation of this thread was that MK2_1979_Escort's was thinking, why has he bought an Escort when a modern korean souless piece of krap will out perform a "standard" 2lt Escort?
My point is made in the first sentence....."choosing a car SHOULD be about emotion...." and that the "facts" are merely marketing guff. When was the last time you drove an Hyundai for 100,000ks without servicing....You haven't, because it would be well stuffed well before that. I bought an 8 year old Ford/Mazda Laser, one owner car with less than 90,000 on the clock. I drove the wheels off that thing for 4 years, and it fell apart by 140,000ks.....They are simply not built to last. I've done close to 60,000ks in my RS in 5 years, thrashed the living be-jezzus out of it and thing just takes it. The old pinto might leak like a seive but, keep up the oil and water to 'em and they are bullet-proof.
Really, who gives a rats wossit about fuel economy? I've only changed my timing belt twice in 5 years and its, like a 15 minute job, anyway!!!! Tried changing one on a Ford Escape????....All 30 years of technology means is 30 x the price and hassle......Thats why people STILL race pintos and crossflows, 30 years down on....Keep it simple stupid. :
As for the dollar for dollar argument???? You are $10 grand down before you start with the rice-cooker. I bought an Escort with a fully worked engine for $600 and there isn't a NA 4 cylinder for 5 miles that can touch it. Granted $3000 was spent on the motor NINE years ago, but what would $3000 get for your Hundy? A noisy exhaust and pssed off neighbours and $13,000 wasted. If I spent my remaining $6400, I'd be chasing down motorbikes.....Do us all a favour a pss off to duffduff.com :

Aren't you a fuucking charmer! If you can't keep to the topic of the thread why don't YOU do the p!ss!ing off you fuuckwit. When you can't talk facts you talk utter crap. Quite clearly you can't come to terms with the obvious fact that the so-called Korean soul-less piece of crap will burn your Escort. Get yourself a life mate - you aren't for real in this world.

[Interceptor]

ok, sp the hyundai's, etc go hard and can outrun a esky..... but will they still be on the road in another 20 years?

[mistermeena]

have to agree with whooligan - an excel cost a crap load more than your average esky and if your worried about performace from your escort..stoke it up a bit an u'll be faster than any hundy (cant say i've seen much in the way of performace parts for excel's besides massive kits and wings)
MKII79 stick with the esky u'll pull way more chicks!

[mk2_1979_escort]

Thank you everyone who added to this thread, it has been very informative, and enjoyable to read and follow. Despite the fact that I wouldnt be seen dead driving a hyundai, let alone my wife and/or duaghters car this thread has made me appreciate my car much more. Some very valid points were made, but Escorts are undeniabley the way to go. Also (i thought i might add) its a good thing my esky isnt standard.

Cheers :

[whooligan]

Originally Posted by mistermeena

have to agree with whooligan - an excel cost a crap load more than your average esky and if your worried about performace from your escort..stoke it up a bit an u'll be faster than any hundy (cant say i've seen much in the way of performace parts for excel's besides massive kits and wings)
MKII79 stick with the esky u'll pull way more chicks!

Lets face facts.....Its just about pulling more chicks. : :

[crispymk2]

I shocked the hell out of some blond tart in a silver MX5 the other day, she wasnt too impressed about being beaten by a 36 year old car (tho i didn't tell her I just spent $4k on the engine)... just thought i'd throw that in there...

Oh, I also got canned by a super charged Hundie excel... but dont tell anyone ;)

[mk2_1979_escort]

It wasn't T3man driving with his missus was it ?

[$90esky]

I happen to own both a 96 excel 1.5 and a 2.0l mkII.
1. My escort has only 66000 on the clock and only jst keeps with the excel.
2. Off the net I can put together a full turbo kit for 2000 and my excel cost 3000
3. My excel has done 135000 and the other day the clutch and gear box died along with destroying the cv shafts.

So yes teh excel has power enough to keep with the escort but is is no way designed to be driven using this power, the escort on the other hand can handle it. Who cares about plugs and what not at least your not replacing major engine or driveline components regularly. Besides escorts are a hundred times cooler and most importantly are RWD, I don't even bother with FWD cars anymore.

[79esky!]

well i canned an exel the otherday had a cannon hangin out of the *** sounded a bit lumpy too. mind u my 79 2l is fully rebuilt bottom to top camtech cam and some nice 45mm sideies aswell as a bored and decked block and faced ported and polised head. im pretty happy with my accomplishment :thebirds:

[whooligan]

I think we have established that those jappers are a waste of space on our roads....But I don't mind going a few rounds with any secret rice-cooker fans out there. out:

[fordfella80]

Hey..heated topic.
They made modern escorts too.Good ones that won world rallies etc.Cosworth and all that jazz were pretty snazzy.Modern asian cars will often be more reliable and require less service than a 25+year old escort but thats because thy're modern.My japper never skips a beat and goes like the clappers for what it is but I feel like I kill off a little part myself every time I drive it.Life is too darn short to roll around in dud wheels.Asians try but they just cant put a soul into thier tinny characterless cars.

[eb_5litre]

It should be as simple as -

RWD for men
FWD for women

Comparing an Excel to an Escort? Pfft please, thats a no-brainer.


(Please completely ignore the fact I drove a TX5 Turbo..... I still cant stand FWD) e

[caprispecial]

What about FORD FWD then? Are they any good? Check out Focus/ Mondeo section under thread "A falcon drivers fortnight in a focus."

[eb_5litre]

I dunno call me old-fashioned and simple but I reckon RWD is way more fun to drive, my FWD TX5 is downright dangerous to drive in the wet.... I dont mind losing traction but not steering as well.

[melbzetec]

Isn't that called "driver error"???LOL

[eb_5litre]

Not when the traction loss is deliberate......

[whooligan]

It just the Old Skool v Modern argument all over again...... :
When it comes down to it, its each to it own. But the modern brigade need to realise that without the likes of Mk1 & Mk2 Escorts, x-flows, pintos and BDAs, going sideways in forest and around a racetrack, there wouldn't have been all the modern developments in cars that people take for granted, today.
Modern technology has taken a little of the control and a lot of the soul out of what made us want to drive these cars in the first place.

Sorry guys, this will be my last post on this forum. I think over the last year or so it has pretty much lost the plot for me with my "old technology." When you have to wait 3 minutes for the sponsorship to pop up before you can make a comment, I feel its time to take my comments elsewhere.
Stay tuned, whooligan.

[JamesR]

Glenn, faster internet in the solution.
get with the times. haha