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Old 06-01-2015, 03:21 PM   #61
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I think the grille is so fugly, and as for the name "Frontenac", sounds like something the Japanese or Koreans would come up with.
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Old 06-01-2015, 07:00 PM   #62
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na na na! holden commodores are 100% aussie bra! all aussie you ask mi mate dazza its true! commys are sick and they go fast and they can go over ramps!
Sounds like this forum... Ford aus is totally independent of ford America bra.
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Old 06-01-2015, 08:09 PM   #63
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Vb commodore badged as an Opel

they also came out in a 2 door

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Samoa - Savaii Island:

AU Taxi:


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While in Africa a few years ago there was a 2004 Motor Magazine in the truck and this was advertised:

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Samoa - Savaii Island:

AU Taxi:
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How old is that photo I wonder, because I reckon that AU is in better nick than 99% of the ones over here
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How old is that photo I wonder, because I reckon that AU is in better nick than 99% of the ones over here
Photo taken 10/04/12
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Vb commodore badged as an Opel
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These are actually German built Opels, the Holdens came out later on over here !
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They made these unchanged until the 90s . I guess we were spoilt for choice, style and features in our Aussie Falcon. Would most of us still be falcon fans if our falcon looked like this?
Nah mate put the Miami in it and we are all good. Who needs fancy styling, technology or handing.
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Old 08-01-2015, 12:13 PM   #70
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While in Africa a few years ago there was a 2004 Motor Magazine in the truck and this was advertised:

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Didn't Ford export the Falcon's there up until the BA was released....

Has a quick Google....

Yep, there is a few AU, EF and EL's for Sale, even a ZG Fairlane and a mint looking EF Fairmont with only 70,000 k's.
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These are actually German built Opels, the Holdens came out later on over here !
Na bruv! Only holdens make commys cos holden is all stralia!
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Na bruv! Only holdens make commys cos holden is all stralia!
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Is it 2016 yet...?
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These are actually German built Opels, the Holdens came out later on over here !
There are South African built VB Commodores with the big 250ci chev 6 cyl in them.

Our VB commodore is a Opel Record Based.
The Germans before we got our VB they had IRS with their commodore Senator that had our VL rear side window and a nice little 134 KW@ 5800RPM 3.0L 6 CYL that could do 210KM/H back in 1976.
We should of exported our VB with our 3.3L red motor to them. with 69KW@3800RPM
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Daewoo Royale.
I think you can see the opel influence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO6IZJZ5ZLw
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The amount of money and engineering Holden put into redesigning the Opel Rekord to suit Australian conditions could of actually designed a completely new car.
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The amount of money and engineering Holden put into redesigning the Opel Rekord to suit Australian conditions could of actually designed a completely new car.
Well funny you say that... Leo Prennau(sp) the great gm designer from that era said he had Torana and Kingswood replacements ready to go... but GM America ordered Holden into using the world car programs.
And we know they didn't work that great.
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http://www.curbsideclassic.com/autom...-in-your-pony/

Story about the Hyundai built Cortinas, and the cars that followed them.
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I remember reading a story in one of the car mags a few years ago that it was going to cost $78m to develop the next Kingswood and GM said it was too much and forced them to use the Opel instead and then had to sit back and watch as the development of the car to suit aussie conditions soaked up $110m and nearly bankrupted Holden. And because of that, it was a full 10 years before Holden could dig themselves out of the hole and got any autonomy back, and it wasn't till VT that Holden were able to use their own designs again and not a derivitive of a european platform.
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I spotted one of these in San Francisco a few months ago, a Cadillac Catera. I had to look twice when I saw a VT Dunnydore with Caddy badges!



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^Door handles and C-pillar cover strip are the only parts shared between it and the VT
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It's basically a rebadged Opel/Vauxhall Omega
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XC's exported to the UK in the 70's were fitted with TE Cortina (Mk IV in the UK) front indicators which looked a little odd on the XC.
They had a fibreglass insert which fitted into the indicator recess and made the grill indicator proud of the grill.
I don't have any photos of the grill and lights on an XC in the UK as this came from a grill I picked up here in the UK off a wrecked GXL.

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I remember reading a story in one of the car mags a few years ago that it was going to cost $78m to develop the next Kingswood and GM said it was too much and forced them to use the Opel instead and then had to sit back and watch as the development of the car to suit aussie conditions soaked up $110m and nearly bankrupted Holden. And because of that, it was a full 10 years before Holden could dig themselves out of the hole and got any autonomy back, and it wasn't till VT that Holden were able to use their own designs again and not a derivitive of a european platform.
So VE Commodore was the Kingswood Holden wanted to build all along, clean sheet design wasn't it?
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Good old ford Aus dipped its toes in the Ford pond as well.

http://static.cargurus.com/images/si...pic-30113.jpeg
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EB Falcon GLi's uglier cousin.
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http://www.curbsideclassic.com/autom...-in-your-pony/

Story about the Hyundai built Cortinas, and the cars that followed them.
I've read elsewhere that Ford Australia engineers were sent to South Korea back in the 60's to assist Hyundai when they first started to assemble Cortinas.
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So VE Commodore was the Kingswood Holden wanted to build all along, clean sheet design wasn't it?

As I understand it, GMH had the next version of the Kingswood ready to go to the first prototype. It was basically an update of the HZ but with a slightly different body shell. Think ED to EF. The sheet metal for the front end was what became the WB so imagine all the variants from Belmont to Statesman with variations of the WB styling. I remember seeing renderings, along with the story, in a mag back in the day.
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Some guy in Scotland posts in the FPV F6, XRT & G6 area.
Think he's put up pics.
Would have been me. Sold up last year and regretted it ever since. Hope to be looking for a newer one come end of this year.
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There is a HR Holden wagon that features in a car chase in the 1972 Jamaican film "The harder they fall".

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it wasn't till VT that Holden were able to use their own designs again and not a derivitive of a european platform.
The VT was still a borrowed platform, a widened and stretched Opel/Vauxhall Omega B platform.
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