V8`s why not....

[sexr6tasy]

As i recall flappy you insinuated i was a silly little kid first so practice what ya preach buddy and stop being such a baby.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by sexr6tasy

As i recall flappy you insinuated i was a silly little kid first so practice what ya preach buddy and stop being such a baby.

No, I asked you to back up your original statement and gave to the chance to show that you are not a silly kid with a keyboard who just makes comments without actual reasioning.

You have done exactly what I expected you to do which was not detail an answer and then act like a silly kid with a keyboard.

Would you like to prove me wrong and show why you think that doing one thing without the correct licence is different from doing another thing without the correct licence?

[sexr6tasy]

I assumed you thought id act that way so i gave you your wish maybe when you stop talking down to people people will start to act in a way that you don't label them. And no i don't have to justify any opinion i have to you your not the opinion police how bout because i don't think they are the same is that good enough?

[sexr6tasy]

And no before you start to rave on with your predictable 5 paragraphs of why people need reasons for everything i don't particularly care

[flappist]

Translation. "I cannot actually detail why as it is just my personal feeling and now I have been pushed into a corner I am going to act like a kid with a keyboard neh neh neh neh".

I actually assume most members are adults, but sometimes I am wrong.

Don't feel bad, you are not alone.....

[sexr6tasy]

LOL you sure do got some problems flappist but nice talking down to people again your top of your class at it mate.

[JC]

Cars don't shoot people, guns cause collisions.

[wodahs]

Originally Posted by JC

Cars don't shoot people, guns cause collisions.

yep agreed both cause dramers becouse of the idiots behind them

oh i meen tools behind them

[flappist]

This thread has gone way off track. The thread opener stated that he owned a vehicle that he will not be able to drive and asked for advice.
Some of it was sensible and others were not so.
There was a definite trend by some to advise that the law was silly and that various fraudulent methodology could or should be employed so as to facilitate the illegal operation of the vehicle without getting caught.

This is extremely foolish as the potential penalties could lead to a total ruination of your entire life. e.g. Fatal or maiming accident or collision with a Rolls Royce etc.

There is a disturbing trend, particularly but not exclusive to our younger members to disregard laws that they do not like or support. Again this is foolish because the Police and Court systems just love these attitudes. It gives them something to do.

Bottom line. If you knew you could not drive the car yet bought it anyway and want to make a special exception just for you then you are being unrealistic and selfish.
There is a reason why P platers have been limited. It is the same reason why motorcycles have been limited for years.

The AVERAGE P plater is a very inexperienced unskillful and potentially dangerous driver and although I am fully aware that P plate AFF members are only banned from driving V8 Supercars because they would embarrass Lowndes and Skaife by lapping them in the first 5 minutes, the laws are made for the AVERAGE and we all have to wear it.

If you REALLY think it is wrong then remember when you vote. Of course if both side ara against you then you are buggered aren't you.

[Bossxr8]

I drove an XD Fairmont 351 on my P's. Never had any hassles, even when being done for speeding. If you are courteous to the officer they will usually leave you alone, if your going to be a smart **** expect to get done over. As 302's were legal for P platers it was easy to get away with, there's no way they can tell the difference. Probably not now with these new rules though, but if you need a ute as a work vehicle I think you shouldn't have a problem getting an exemption, it might help to say you tow or haul heavy loads and need a V8 to do it.

[alanjwells]

xd brad.

Simple answer is apply for exemption. If you get it you have dotted the i's and crossed the t's if anything untoward was to happen.

Trying to deceive anyone, especially cops, by rebadging, etc, would not be a bright thing to do in my mind. Getting caught out if something did happen will probably put you in alot more hot water than just pleading ignorance. Then again pleading ignorance is no defence!

Maybe come back to the forum after the exemption has failed?

Cheers.

[woodsy109]

Originally Posted by flappist

Another newbie expert........

He asked a question. There were several rather stupid replies. Just in case he actually thought he would get away with it I pointed out graphicly what could happen.
As you are only a child (26yo) you would not remember what gun ownership in Australia was like before 1996. At that time almost EVERYONE owned guns of all types and buying a pistol or auto rifle legally was easier than getting a motorbike licence.

The laws changed, just like the P plate laws now.
Many spewed about it, just like the P plate laws now.
Many said get stuffed, I will do what I like, just like the P plate laws now.
Many got into a LOT of trouble, some even jailed..........

The mere fact that you think that driving unlicenced is totally different to unlicenced posesssion of a handgun shows you have no concept of how the legal system works and how laws are applied to the general public...

Haha now your insulting me?

I do know what the gun laws were like. All of my family members owned guns. But that is not the point. Just to remind you of what he actually said.

Originally Posted by xd_brad

Gday just wondering if any one can help me with a problem, i absolutly love V8`s and i am going to be gettin my P`s soon and already have my XD ute with a 351 in it, they have now brought out these new restrictions against P platers and now i am going to have to sell it.
Now that iv advertised it and just had a drive in it i wish this wasnt wat has to happen, iv left school and am workin as a concreter and will need a ute, Iv been catchin public transport for ages and sick of missing those buses lol, Does any one know of any ways i can still drive it on my P`s.
Iv heard you can get your employer to write a letter, I get my P`s in september so the restrictions apply.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks Brad.

You did say there were some stupid replys and in my first post I said that it was fair enough to point out the consequences of driving illegally, but again guns are a different topic altogether.

I think you said it well here flappist.

Originally Posted by flappist

This thread has gone way off track.

I wonder who did that?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by woodsy109

Haha now your insulting me?

I do know what the gun laws were like. All of my family members owned guns. But that is not the point. Just to remind you of what he actually said.

Oh poor poor woodsy, are you feeling insulted? I wonder why?

Originally Posted by woodsy109

Hello!!
Someone is on their high horse.

Fair enough warning him of the consequences of driving it, but he never said that he intended to in the first place. He was worried that he would have to sell it so was enquiring if there was any way around it.

He is just one person suffering an unnecessary cost due to the new laws that I believe should not have been introduced in the first place.

Give the guy a break because he is trying to do the right thing and you jump on your high horse and compare it to illegally buying a pistol?? WTF is with that?

Keep coming up with unprovoked crap like this and you will find that you will get insulted and treated like a fool quite a lot.

My original comment was not aimed directly at the thread opener, if it were I would have quoted him as I quote you now. My comment was directed generally at those whose attitude is "the law sucks so I will not comply".

Respect and credibility on AFF are earned over a period of time and a number of posts.

If you wish to be treated with respect then the first thing you must do is treat others the same way, unless of course the others attack you first in which case treat them as they treat you.......

[Tiapan]

[QUOTE=1600GT] is it registered as a 351?
register it as a 302 [QUOTE]


Heh, like my 393 Bwahahahaha!

[sexr6tasy]

Originally Posted by flappist

Oh poor poor woodsy, are you feeling insulted? I wonder why?

Keep coming up with unprovoked crap like this and you will find that you will get insulted and treated like a fool quite a lot.

My original comment was not aimed directly at the thread opener, if it were I would have quoted him as I quote you now. My comment was directed generally at those whose attitude is "the law sucks so I will not comply".

Respect and credibility on AFF are earned over a period of time and a number of posts.

If you wish to be treated with respect then the first thing you must do is treat others the same way, unless of course the others attack you first in which case treat them as they treat you.......

I find this comment rather meaningless respect should not be earned over time it should be instantly given respect for other people on a forum should be necessity not who you agree with and who craps on the most posts. And yes flappist if you insult me then you get treated the same way you can twist what you say all you want flappy and crap on about how you gave me a chance to go into detail about what i personally thought but the fact is you added the silly little kid comment and ya didn't have to so stop being a stubborn old man and get back on topic your constant defense of yourself adds nothing to this thread and nothing to your credibility you've answered the main thread bearer's question so leave the thread the mere fact you keep coming back shows how insecure you are that you couldn't possibly be the bigger man and just not defend yourself you make me LOL to quote a silly little kid with a keyboard.

[schnoods]

Easiest solution is to apply for the exemption, If you cant get an exemption for it I'd be buying a $1000 shitter to get by in. A XF or ea that is in roadworthy (cosmetics isnt important) can be had for under a grand with ease.

Dont sell the car as you will end up pulling your hair out because of it.

[EB 2 XR8]

The new rules suck.....log books for driving hahahaha glad i got my p's

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by flappist

There was a definite trend by some to advise that the law was silly and that various fraudulent methodology could or should be employed so as to facilitate the illegal operation of the vehicle without getting caught.

Agreed, when i said their is a way around these things, i meant paperwork, it's a pain in the @$$ and Vicroads are yet to send me my latest rejection letter but apply for an exemption, this is the only Legal way around it, then you don't have to worry about misleading Insurance, Vicroads, The Police, Etc

Do it right and you won't have a problem, do it like half the guys on here are talking about you could well find yourself in a very bad position if you have an accident.

Originally Posted by flappist

although I am fully aware that P plate AFF members are only banned from driving V8 Supercars because they would embarrass Lowndes and Skaife by lapping them in the first 5 minutes

I prefer to think of myself as a white lewis Hamilton banned from F1, but yeah something along those lines

[[Tonko]]

Originally Posted by xd_brad

my XD ute with a 351 in it,

Brad, just out of curiosity, why do you (somewhat) praise 302's in your avatar when you apparently have a 351?
On topic:
Just find a manual EA S-pack and have some fun, then you wont have to worry about being pulled up.
Bottom line, you will not be allowed to drive your ute legally without an exemption. Whether you want to listen to the children, whack on a 4.1 badge or 2 and risk it, you deserve to get caught for trying to play the authorities/insurance company for chumps...And both will most likely laugh at you and punish you to their full extent.
my $2

[xd_brad]

Thanks for the advice and ideas guys i wanted to do it legally anyway because then there wont be as much worry when driving around. Im still waiting on the reply for the exemption, when i hear about it i will let you`s know to see if it is possible or not. I get you point flappist, but banning V8`s alltogether i dont reckon is that good coz i kno of guys in there Vn`s who are the worst drivers and are reckless why not bann V6`s aswell and just drive 4 bangers im not goin against ya that`s just the way i see it.

[xd_brad]

my first car was a 302C xd but full of rust and luv it and i dunno how to change it lol

[[Tonko]]

Originally Posted by xd_brad

my first car was a 302C xd but full of rust and luv it and i dunno how to change it lol

sounds very very familiar, except replace rust with effort...
Good luck with it anyway.
BTW: Go the XD's!

[xd_brad]

thanks

[Yaw]

Originally Posted by xd_brad

Thanks for the advice and ideas guys i wanted to do it legally anyway because then there wont be as much worry when driving around. Im still waiting on the reply for the exemption, when i hear about it i will let you`s know to see if it is possible or not. I get you point flappist, but banning V8`s alltogether i dont reckon is that good coz i kno of guys in there Vn`s who are the worst drivers and are reckless why not bann V6`s aswell and just drive 4 bangers im not goin against ya that`s just the way i see it.

I know exactly what you are saying and see your point of veiw, but I think the power to weight ratio is a good thing, I do think the rules are too ambiguous for banning certain cars, I personally almost like your idea of just allowing 4 cyl cars, but then there are cars like WRX's and Skylines etc. I say rather than banning certain cars they would be better to have an "ALLOWED CAR" List.

As for your ute problems get yourself a cheap Hilux or Bravo until you are able to drive the car you have or would like to.

P.S. My "allowed car list" would consist of cars like:

Suzuki Mighty Boy's
Daihatsu Charade
Nikki

That type of car. I'm sure you get the idea without putting a huge list up.

[outback_ute]

How long have you owned the ute for Brad? Ie was it before the new restrictions were announced? If so that may work in your favour in trying to get an exemption. Otherwise as others have said I'd be swapping either the motor or the whole ute (don't sell it if you can avoid it!) while you are on your P's.

Even under the old/current P plate restrictions a 351 would have been illegal for you to drive (unless XD utes are a lot heavier than I am thinking!) so it's not like the new regs have done this to you.

[xd_brad]

iv had it since feb and the ute by the rego sticker says 1500kg i did sum figuers lol and im pretty sure that the power to weight is 124kw per tonne at fly wheel or somthin like that and then i would be able to go up 2 around 160kw and the 351 in it has about 140kw standard ( i cant rememba the exact power figure but it was about that i got those figues from a grouse thread on this site it had cars from x-b series power figures)

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by xd_brad

Thanks for the advice and ideas guys i wanted to do it legally anyway because then there wont be as much worry when driving around. Im still waiting on the reply for the exemption, when i hear about it i will let you`s know to see if it is possible or not. I get you point flappist, but banning V8`s alltogether i dont reckon is that good coz i kno of guys in there Vn`s who are the worst drivers and are reckless why not bann V6`s aswell and just drive 4 bangers im not goin against ya that`s just the way i see it.

Not being a smart @$$ but if you want Flappist and many others around here to take your opinion seriously, atleast give them the effort of putting full words in...

Coz they wont listen 2 ya if ya don't

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by outback_ute

How long have you owned the ute for Brad? Ie was it before the new restrictions were announced? If so that may work in your favour in trying to get an exemption. Otherwise as others have said I'd be swapping either the motor or the whole ute (don't sell it if you can avoid it!) while you are on your P's.

Even under the old/current P plate restrictions a 351 would have been illegal for you to drive (unless XD utes are a lot heavier than I am thinking!) so it's not like the new regs have done this to you.

It isn't the power that would have been the consern, it would have been the engine capacity to weight ratio that they would have pulled him up for.

[KingLemmywinks]

I realy dont like the sound of a noisy v8, I think they sound like poo, and maybe a bit of wee sometimes.

But on the other hand POO POO WEE WEE...................

[sexr6tasy]

The power ratio laws are bullshit laws im totally against them talk about double standards.