Zero Tolerance?

[Work Horse]

Originally Posted by nugget378

IMaybe a better name for this thread would have been "rednecks and lynchmobs unite"

Better still lets devote a special section of the forum for them!!

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by lotto

we dont have zero tolerance ,in oz at all,go out to western suburbs of sydney at night,you see police walking down the street getting abuzed called p...,etc, if we had zero tolerance those guys would be charged -no questions asked- yes minor offence on there record- but all the minor offences add up!1

at the moment they get away with so many minor offences and given the benifit of the doubt so many times-its only when they actually beat somone to a pulp or rape a women before the courts even get a look at them-all the time leading upto they have been getting away with heaps!!

I must live in a cocoon or must be extremely lucky,might just go and buy myself a power ball.
I am out and about in western Sydney quite often,yet dont seem to ever see this type of stuff,dont know where you live Lotto but maybe its time you moved if its that bad.
Are you saying that we should be locking young people up for years at a time for minor street offences?
Good way to lessen crime,throw all the young fella's with a little attitude into crime schools,where they'll get taught how to do hold ups and get away with it,get bashed and victimised and come out with a rage against society looking to let loose.
Seems you were never young,you were a boy scout too I bet,I dont know about anyone else but Im not scared to walk any street in Sydney at night or any other time,talk about hysteria,Im just glad the likes of you dosnt make the decisions on crime and policing in NSW...

[Sourbastard]

Originally Posted by lotto

sorry, i dont agree when i was in the states,and i have been there more than once,

one night some college friends i had there,where driving got pulled over for broken tailight,they asked if anyone had anything on them,one of my mates pulled a couple of joints in his pocket and tiny bit of dope,we where all well behaved,they gave him a bit of a talking too,told the driver to get the light fixed ,told us to stay out of trouble and have a good night!!

I saw an old lady get pushed to the ground and her bag snatched,the guy run of down the road and the offender was tackled to the ground .,by a huge black guy and held until the cops came,i wandered down to look,and when they searched him he had crack pipe and some crystal meph on him,of to jail buddy!

look i know its only two cases and they do get it wrong,but please dont believe everything you see on cops-sometimes its just because the cameras are there!!

cheers

and where exactly in the US was this that you were pulled over?

I got pulled over in LA when I was 20. Situation ran like this.

I pull over. I hear from the rear of the car to put my hands out of the window. 1 policeman approaches the car with his holster undone and hand on his weapon. 2nd policeman stays by the rear of the vehicle with weapon drawn.

This is a typical traffic stop mind you.

I was 20 and in LA at the time they had a curfew(Which I was unaware of at the time only having just arrived in LA the day before from Vancouver) so they were quite ready to take me to jail until my parents arrived to pick me up because I was a minor(under 21). I explained how that might take a few days to happen as they arent in the country. This they quickly deduced was the truth after going over my international license (Again) and actually reading it this time. In the end I had to have my Boss who was a Lawyer & Crime Scene Consultant vouch for me, and I was escorted back to my hotel. Otherwise I'd have spent the night in lockup irregardless of my country of origin.

Working for who I did at the time, I got to see a hell of alot more. Alot more then any member of the general public would want to see.

Zero Tollerance = Zero Intelligence

It removes the ability of the officer attending to use his own judgement on intent and harmful act. The law that was impacting me was designed to keep underage gangs off the street, but the Officer was unable to differentiate due to the operational restraints of "zero tollerence". I was lucky to be able to bend the situation as much as I did.

Justice systems are complex machines full of imperfect humans(as all humans are), imperfect laws(as all laws are) and will chew you up and spit you out should you see fit to start altering how they work. More then enough politicians have felt its effect on reelection night after trying to tinker with it.

The US Legal system is a support apparatus to the social security system. Those who dont believe it, are simply lying to themselves. Tote is 100% correct in his estimation. Voters dont want to see money spent on mental health or welfare as its deemed a waste of money. However money spent on law enforcement is always popular. Treat the Symptom. Not the cause.

[Yaw]

Originally Posted by lotto

Ok i am not a young buck-but i am disgusted how bad some peoples attitudes are towards police in this country!

The times have changed,For e.g. you would see the odd brawl,whether it be at the pub or wherever, a few punches thrown a few black eyes and a bit of blood!

But these days-a fight starts or an innoent bystander is walking along and gets attacked by twenty blocks,or a brawl happens and people jump in with knives etc

Women are more afraid than ever with all the sexual assualts going on,you only have to read some blogs etc and you can see how women are becoming more and more degraded everyday.

when i was growing up we would go out and leave doors open and unlocked etc

look we were werent angels and we did some mischief etc- but we knew where to stop and respected our elders-these days oldies get bashed all the time,

a young bloke cant even take his girlfriend out without getting hassled.

The sad thing to me is I feel we are following the usa,and becoming a mini america!

But one thing is different in the U.S.A and l;ot of other countries i have visited they respect the police more and sometimes are even scared of them! where here i have seen hoods mouthing off to police and they can just get away with it.

The police need more power,as with all the bloody druggies out there ,and gangs etc are going to ruin this place and it will turn into a shithole,where people cant even go out at night!!!

what do you think-bring in ZERO tolerance!!

I agree with this, but I would prefer to see sports bring in a zero tolerence rule first as these are the role models and they continually get away with it.
Take Ben cousins for example.
I reckon if every single sport in the country brought in a Zero tolerence,
I personally think Ben Cousins should be banned for life.
If they made it 1 strike and your banned for life would make them think twice.
I know the argument from the clubs will be 'but we invested so much money in them" The answer to that is simple, If the sports player screws up and gets caught for a drug or serious criminal offence put a clause in thier contract so that the club can sue them for recovery of thier losses.

[J.C.]

Nugget, what would you recommend be done with those that have bashed, raped, indecently dealt with an individual, elderly, male, female or child alike?

What should be done with those that have no respect for individuals rights and invade them by verbal and physical abuse for no apparent reason?



Maybe you do live in a cocoon. I don't know. Things might be better where you are. I agree with a number here that society within this country has taken a bad turn somewhere and are not taking responsibily of their actions. No respect anymore.

After what occurred to my 8yr old daughter 2 year ago in the hands of a trusted friend, I now have a burning hatred for those with no respect for the rights of others. No one has the right my eyes to invade anyone liberties for no reason without consequence. Personally, people like that should be strung up as society just don't need scum of that type ...... let alone support them once they are convicted.

If it were not for my firm belief that my family, my children need me, I would happily put a 25c bullet between the eyes of these social misfits.

To this very day, my gut still burns from the moment I wake.

[XR06T]

something is wrong somewhere with the legal system, as you get in more trouble for defending what is your than the crook who put himself inside your house!!

i have always been respectful to police and have been given the same respect on the most part, perhaps i am just lucky, but many times i have seen the softer side of a punishment. i dont believe that the police are the weak link in the system.

[xtremerus]

The Police do the best job they can, but are P'd off by lenient Magistates. In the small country town I'm in, over the last 10 yrs or so the same feral names appear in the local court all the time. Break and enter, assault, DUI, breaking AVO's etc. and still no jail time. Just extra good behaviour bond time and a small fine. If they break their bond, they just get an extention of extra bond time. Go figure! They just show a finger to the law.
It's the courts that need to get tough.

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by J.C.

Nugget, what would you recommend be done with those that have bashed, raped, indecently dealt with an individual, elderly, male, female or child alike?

What should be done with those that have no respect for individuals rights and invade them by verbal and physical abuse for no apparent reason?



Maybe you do live in a cocoon. I don't know. Things might be better where you are. I agree with a number here that society within this country has taken a bad turn somewhere and are not taking responsibily of their actions. No respect anymore.

After what occurred to my 8yr old daughter 2 year ago in the hands of a trusted friend, I now have a burning hatred for those with no respect for the rights of others. No one has the right my eyes to invade anyone liberties for no reason without consequence. Personally, people like that should be strung up as society just don't need scum of that type ...... let alone support them once they are convicted.

If it were not for my firm belief that my family, my children need me, I would happily put a 25c bullet between the eyes of these social misfits.

To this very day, my gut still burns from the moment I wake.

So your saying that those that bash,rape and physically abuse are let off?
I undersatnd your feelings with this disgusting situation and if it happened to me I would be inside now,quite happily,but its these types of understandable human emotions that can get out of hand if they become part of justice.
First we lynch rapers and murderers,then its robbers and break and enterers,before you know it you will be doing time for 15 over the speed limit and forgetting to buy a new weekly for the train.
This is the problem with this zero tolerance mentality,every circumstance is different and every person different,it cant work.

[MO]

And in some cases it gets called racism...like I said somewhere..anyone got the balls to sign up and be a cop!!

[J.C.]

Originally Posted by nugget378

So your saying that those that bash,rape and physically abuse are let off?
I undersatnd your feelings with this disgusting situation and if it happened to me I would be inside now,quite happily,but its these types of understandable human emotions that can get out of hand if they become part of justice.
First we lynch rapers and murderers,then its robbers and break and enterers,before you know it you will be doing time for 15 over the speed limit and forgetting to buy a new weekly for the train.
This is the problem with this zero tolerance mentality,every circumstance is different and every person different,it cant work.

Buddy, I'm not going to say anymore. It opening up wounds and I'm getting pretty annoyed.

All I'm saying is, until you are the victim, you will never know how you are going to react, know the full impact or how the law is going to deals with it.

Bottom line as I see it, respect for your fellow man is slowly becoming a thing of the pass ........

Some countries just don't tolerate this type of behaviour. Here, if convicted, a slap over the knuckled and feed for free at the tax payers expense for the length of your term.

Maybe miltary service might be an avenue that can be explored for this sort of scum. Send them straight to the front line ........ as sandbags.

[MO]

Originally Posted by J.C.

Buddy, I'm not going to say anymore. It opening up wounds and I'm getting pretty annoyed.

All I'm saying is, until you are the victim, you will never know how you are going to react, know the full impact or how the law is going to deals with it.

Bottom line as I see it, respect for your fellow man is slowly becoming a thing of the pass ........

Some countries just don't tolerate this type of behaviour. Here, if convicted, a slap over the knuckled and feed for free at the tax payers expense for the length of your term.

Maybe miltary service might be an avenue that can be explored for this sort of scum. Send them straight to the front line ........ as sandbags.

I know where your coming from and I don't disagree with most of your posts...however..think about this..what about someone who is falsely accused especially child abuse.

And they can't prove they did'nt because the parent and child have belief the other does'nt.
In other words the parent controlled the child to such extent that what was told to be said was said.

I'm sorry for your wounds I too have some that will never heal.

[mrniceguy]

Kiddie fiddlers are a whole different kettle of fish. A murderer, thief or straight rapist can be rehabilitated in a lot of cases. Even the psychologists who treat paedophiles admit than in 95% of cases its a waste of time trying. Chemical or physical castration is the only answer i think.

[J.C.]

Originally Posted by mrniceguy

Kiddie fiddlers are a whole different kettle of fish. A murderer, thief or straight rapist can be rehabilitated in a lot of cases. Even the psychologists who treat paedophiles admit than in 95% of cases its a waste of time trying. Chemical or physical castration is the only answer i think.

Like I said, 25cents is all it will take to ease their urge.

[Sourbastard]

this thread is getting retarded. thanks for playing folks