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Another way of putting it, look at the score card. Ford from a quality and engineering perspective has a superior package to that of holden in most if not all the segments yet get trounced in sales month after month (again FPV have done ok on the odd occasion). So Ford/FPV pour money into making their cars superior, which for those of us that know something about cars is great and we appreciate it. But at the end of the day they need sales to continue, I cant see how this car is going to increase the trend after the usual 1-2 month honey moon period. Im happy to be proven wrong though. This car would be a huge cash cow for FPV because they have done bugger all to it, but in order to be a cow it has to sell in the first place.
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Gotta say that is a tidy looking car, not into bling or stripes myself, i prefer the subdued look....
But for me its NOT a Ford its FPV and im still not convinced that one equals the other, no offence to the FPV fans.... Also im to much of a tight a**e to spend that much on a new car.... My 2 cents worth....
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I initially thought the same of all FG FPVs but once I heard about the cost of the FG development (in essence just an engine upgrade) from FPV I decided to alter my opinion just a bit. I am ok with the GT and the F6 but I have issue with the GT-P and the GT-E and now the F6 E. I also have issue with the G6E package as well. When Ford dropped the long wheel base cars I expected that some of the exclusive features from such a model would filter down to the luxury SWB versions. The G6E is an excellent package, so good that it does put pressure to justify the extra FPV coin, but in terms of luxury appointments or technical innovation that is expected in the premium market, Ford are just a little underwhelming. We don’t really expect FPV to go out by themselves and package the cars up outside of perhaps one technical innovation and perhaps one more interior highlight exclusive to them. They are relying on Ford to hand them a package that is competitive in the appointment stakes. Sounds tough I know but the expectations in this region is just a little higher than what Ford are currently delivering. Exposure to the entry point Euros is partially to blame. I would take the HSV Senator over any other local luxury package. It delivers more features and makes a bigger technical statement and I really do think in this end of the market that such statements play on the minds of perspective customers. FPV could do a better job of packaging these luxury cars by making Sat Nav standard but the cupboard is pretty bare. There is no sunroof option. Yeah I know but it’s a feature that is valuable in this end of the market and another option Ford don't provide. I can afford this car as well and am in the market right now to replace my daily driver. My European exposure has me understanding and liking the understated appearance but the lack of upper features or at least one technical exclusive feature just doesn't hold my attention. I simply don’t dislike the GT package enough to walk past that option. While ultimately it might not make the best statement in terms of buying the best FPV money can buy, in terms of what you get for your coin it makes a better fist of not pretending to be something it isn't. The GT-P and the GT-E range are now pretending to be something they aren't. Package wise they are just a little underdone. Personally I would pay slightly more to have these products packaged accordingly. FG was a tough task for FPV. I hope to see many of these issues revisited with the update next year.
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Being the owner of a GT-E, I feel that I can comment on all that has been said.
While there may not be measurable value in the addons in comparison to a G6ET, there is pleanty of difference. Firstly they are very rare and are noticed by real car enthusists. I was at a Vodafone drive day on Tuesday with Craig Lowndes and Jamie Whincup and both of them noticed my car in the carpark. CL even said he wanted one, but was given a 5th GT in black. The dealer principal of my local BMW dealer came over and had a close look and was shocked when he saw what a great package FPV have created and questioned the price of a M5 at 3 times the cost. While there is many people who would spend $xxxxxx on modifying a G6ET to try to get a better car, it would never be a F6E, it would only be a modified G6ET. Well done to FPV for taking the step in creating a high profile low volume build to order car. It is just a pity that they do not allow for more customizing for the intended owner. Myself, it would be a hard decision choosing between the F6E and the GT-E, but I am happy with my choice as it is the best car I have ever owned by a mile and gets the looks form people who know what it is.
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I love it!
If they do something similar in a Territory, the boss & I will be throwing the SAAB keys away. |
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GT-E, can I ask a question, if the manual was an option would you go for it?
What do you use the car for? daily? Very curious to hear from an owner.
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I use brain. Not hip.
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Congratulations to everyone involved in releasing this gorgeous F6 E.
Now can you get a F6 E Ute organised?? Or can Ford get a G6E T Ute happening??? Yes I know a ute is supposed to be utilitarion but some of us treat them as 2 seater sports cars with a big boot and do not want racoon eyes and boy racer wings. PLEASE no comments about a "luxury" ute not being wanted by anyone. Well done FPV |
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I owned a BF F6 ZF for 3 years before I got the E, so I was looking for something different. I got my car for a very good deal, essentially it was the same driveaway price as a F6. I did look at a new GTR, M3 and R36 Passat, but nothing came close for bang for buck. It is a daily driver in Sydney traffic and is a very nice car to drive. The only option is Satnav or NCO red leather. Personally the Satnav should have been standard, as I would never pay for it as it is crap and not worth $3k
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IMO exclusivity is not worth it, a build number isnt going to sway my decision when it comes to buying new, Ill leave that to the test drive. |
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For your situation going through sydney would mean the auto would be a no brainer really. The F6/GT E should really have no options other than sunroof and leather colour. Are you the type to go racing at all? Final questions I swear. ![]()
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I would have considered the manual if I had gotten a GT-P or GT, but the GTE is not really a manual car choice, as it is an exec cruiser.
I have had a manual XR6Turbo and is had bad driveline backlash that Ford thought was "normal". This really turned me off the manuals in the Ford range as they still clunk in the FG. My car has been on the track (eastern Creek) for the FPV drive day and I tracked my XR6T and F6 many times, but not this car. I will be getting a track car in the next 12 months to wear the lead off the right foot. If you have not driven a ZF, I suggest you do as I have owned over 30 cars and only 3 Autos, 2 of which were Fords with ZF's, the other was a SWB Pajero.
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The thing that bothers me about this whole topic is FPV have just brought out another great looking car (we can all agree with that, well mostly), it looks great, will go great, it has a little niche, people will buy it, its good for Ford and FPV, BUT, most of us on here a just bagging FPV and saying we wouldnt buy it! Are we Ford supporters or what? They havent brought out another AU here, the F6E is a beautiful machine and if you dont have the money to buy one, you arent qualified to whinge about its price or whether you would buy it. You guys are hard to please.. Remember that a european car with similar specs (maybe not the gadgetry) such as the BMW 550, which only has 270kws or the E class 500. Sure the BMW has the 7 speed box now, but the BMW and MERC are around 160K to 180K, so we are talking 100K less for a refined local High performance Luxury car! Now im not saying the F6E can match BMW in all departments, the BMW is engineered better and all the rest but for 80K the FPV is still a good car. Lets hope that FPV can implement some more specs and gadgets in coming models.
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HSV have the same problem. If it was the same price as the F6 then this story would be different. And don't talk about resale values and Ford in the same sentence, there is no such thing LOL! |
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Alright, hypothetical time. The f6e comes with ever extra as standard, plus a few other things on top. They ask you for a cheque for $120,000. You'd all still whinge it was over priced. God how many people, out of all of you paid the extra, what $2500 for sat nav? Not many I would bet. What if your g6e was $2500 more expensive but came with sat nav? You'd still bloody complain that you didn't need it. They just cant win with you lot.
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That will tell you if it’s a desirable feature. If the answer to that is yes then FPV probably need to offer Sat nav as standard for about the same money as the car is now. It's natural that consumers look at the spec sheet and compare features above that of the car below to see what they are buying. I think the GT-E gets reverse camera as standard and more electric adjustment for the driver, maybe an extra memory position. It not much in the way of extra luxury features in say comparison to the Senator or some entry level European cars. Just speaking for myself I would probably buy the GT-P or the Senator if I really disliked the GT-Ps appearance too much, (which I don’t) I wouldn’t buy the GT-E or F6E because I disagree with its presentation but rather the feature list of a car in this category doesn't tick all of the boxes I require it to make me seriously think about it. That not really FPVs fault. Ford just hasn’t implemented many of those features that give greater appreciation for spending a few more thousand, not the 40 odd in your example. The Australian consumer is very very tough and it not about winning with us it’s about finding buyers that will purchase this product. We had a similar situation with the Force cars. I said the same thing then. The people talking it up didn't buy one. At least when I whinge I have a reason why I won’t support the product. In this case I suspect my opinion will be the same as many. Essentially, as a very small nitch FPV, must have found a way to get the business case to work. That is good news, it means they think they can sell the car and that's all that matters. Telling people why I wouldn’t buy one isn't a whinge just my opinion.
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The inbuilt units use accellerometers to track the movement of the car and only use the GPS to confirm positioning. This is why they work imediately on startup, in tunnels etc. or when there are few or no satellites available and do not get so easily confused if you take or miss a turn they do expect. They can also tell which direction you are pointed, whether you are reversing or going forward, whether you have changed to a side lane that is close to the main road etc. All of the portable units work on GPS only and take time to start up (which can be anything from 10 seconds up to several hours when signals are bad) and can only tell you are in what direction or how fast you are moving by comparing your position to the last (few) positions. The often miss location fixes for whatever reason (usually interference to signals) and just assume you are following the predicted path. This is why they get so confused when you turn the wrong way and then play catchup. I had one of each in my F6 and used to play games when I was bored making them track along different parallel roads. I was never able to trick the DENSO inbiult unit but have managed to confuse the hell out of Navmans, TomTom, Magellans and Route 66. So in summary, the protables are nowhere near as clever as the fixed units but if they do the job you want then buy one, if you want better then buy the inbuilt. A FG XT has the same number of seats, will do the same maximum legal speeds and carry the same amount of groceries as a FPV GT-E (or F6-E). The FPV just does it all a whole lot better...... |
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I have both Tony and I can tell you the latest Tom Tom does very nicely without the accelerometer.
Latest version of Tom Tom home and live map update make the only real difference between the two as tunnel travel, but then really how many times do people do that and if so what options have you got to change directions. There is no way in hell I would recommend people pay so much for a factory unit unless seamless integration was a requirement. I do have an external antenna though.
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^I've seen that image before many times, sometimes funny but often frustrating (especially when you are in the middle of a FREEWAY).
I'm definitely getting an inbuilt GPS in my next car. I don't need a portable GPS plus nearly all mobile phones have a GPS these days, the one on my phone is excellent.
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The only real time I miss the DENSO is when I am in heavy traffic by myself and not sure how to get where I am going so I spend the majority of time trying not to run over other vehicles not looking at the satnav. It is annoying when you can't take an exit because you are actually on the wrong road and you have to travel 3 or 4 km in 5km/h bumper to bumper traffic before you can turn back. In saying that I definitely do not miss the $400 per year for map updates. This is still an emerging technology. I remember when basic car radios and aircon were very expensive options with aftermarket being much cheaper albeit "clunky". In the next few years I am fairly confident that all cars will have satnavs standard. But back to the topic (almost), if I do lash out and buy a F6-E it will be lightning strike or maybe winter white with black seats and satnav. |
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Apparently orders are healthy so far, not big numbers but they were never planned to be
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Actually, you aren't. The idea is not to create attention. Its a "less is more" take on appearance
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There is a market for it, is exclusivity worth an extra 20 grand? in MY opinion, no it isnt, in GTE's opinion, Yes it is. |
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http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2009...-pricing-16059
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