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30-09-2012, 09:03 PM | #31 | |||
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“We haven’t designed (the C/D platform) for a RWD configuration,” Mr Pintar admitted. |
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30-09-2012, 10:49 PM | #32 | |||
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it needs to be wider and have a lot of regional considerations in the design too. |
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01-10-2012, 09:16 AM | #33 | |||
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The FG falcon was never designed with a 4cyl in mind...nore was the BA with AWD...
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01-10-2012, 09:51 AM | #34 | |||
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I have this gut feeling that Ford NA has has looked at FoA's Falcon business case/needs and their own Taurus/MKS business case/needs put them side by side and has cliniced the potentials of both. Maybe they are looking at a cost effective way of having both without destroying budgets and scales of economy. Evolving a regional project in the same direction as global platforms make sense but how far does that have to be? The Americans are clearly in no hurry to kill off the Falcon, that's has to be a good sign for now... |
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I'm not sure about new Mondeo (havent read anything about it) but Taurus is available as AWD right now in STO version so in my opinion the quetion would be what Ford would do. I quiet like the idea of Mondeo being transformed into either AWD or RWD since I have seen the car land here in Aus I was thinking why they havent done that allready (Ecoboost engine has potential and it is powering the Falcon without embarasing the Ford name). What i fear is Americans are so stuborn and if they try to pursue what they think is best for us in Aus then we gonna end up with the FWD Taurus and read XR6 being AWD. Hopefully Ford Australia convince the numbheads in USA that Taurus as AWD will be a flop like the one before not so long ago as I say to everyone moment Falcon(or whatever name they use) becomes FWD I'm leaving blue oval unless they provide worthy successor to XR6T..
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A LWB version of the Ford Mondeo caught in China recently. Although it's fairly common to make LWB versions of almost anything for the Chinese market and it's ...
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01-10-2012, 11:40 AM | #37 | ||
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That LWB Mondeo has been getting made in China for years and the reference is 4-5 years old. As I said earlier, expect the next gen Toreass to be wider, not longer than the Mondeo/Fusion.
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01-10-2012, 12:36 PM | #38 | |||
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Well mondeo with AWD option would be better proposition than A that tankTaurus, thats what I think anyway but still I cant believe Ford missed the boat on developing the FG as righthand drive (apparently they had to stop due to cost), they would rock the europians out of their comfort zone at least Holden gave it a try thru Vauxal.
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01-10-2012, 05:09 PM | #40 | ||
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$80 Million.
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01-10-2012, 05:39 PM | #41 | |||
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Yep fair enough, I'm in the same boat though I'm sure you've done more research than I have. But as you said, it all comes down to understanding what you're reading but I think some let their hope for the continuation of a RWD Falcon cloud the logic thats right in front of them. (Not you, or anyone in particular that I can remember, just generally) Quote:
To me its quite clear the the Falcons replacement will be on this, or an evolution of this platform. So few care about the performance/RWD aspect of the Falcon, as reflected in its sales - why would Ford make any effort to retain those elements, if it means developing another orphan platform just for us? Sharing its platform with the next Mustang might be an outside chance, but a long shot IMO because again, no one really cares about large RWD performance sedans. And if the Mustang itself is going global, then the performance market is catered for right there. Thats all just my opinion, my prediction. If I turn out to be wrong, well... good! As for local manufacturing, I really dont know about that one, but it does seem quite possible that it'll continue going by whats been said by yourself and others on here. Maybe they could build the Ranger here? Quote:
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But I wouldn't be surprised to see the current gen Falcon live on till 2018 or so either. Every other generation has run for about 10 years, and I'm sure the 2014 update will have more than 2 years in it. |
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01-10-2012, 09:32 PM | #43 | |||
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Clearly it was designed for a drive shaft so it can be AWD. The new Fusion already has an AWD version. |
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01-10-2012, 09:44 PM | #44 | ||
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FFS.
Its fanciful to expect the CD4/Mondeo/Fusion platform to be able to support a RWD biased car. CD4 is designed for mass market FWD first and foremost and AWD second. A RWD car from that lot isnt going to happen. What can happen however is the CD4's systems, subassemblies and chassis components can be "borrowed"for the 2014 Falcon or even an evolution of that for 2016...the big dollar engineering, testing and development cost comes from the things you dont see...if FoA dips into the CD4 parts bin to find those bits and pieces instead of doing the work itself, it could bring quite a car to the table instead of going it alone and being "almost there" but not.
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All Goauto seem to have uncovered is the next Taurus/Explorer combo..............vehicles that we know would most likely move to a CD4 derivative platform and are supposedly not even earmarked for RHD design in the forthcoming generation.
We have hints that the 2014 Falcon is going to be a lot more than what was announced at the start of the year (More than efficiency improvements), would they invest that much into a platform that will end 2 years after that? Think we appear to be going around in circles... |
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01-10-2012, 10:33 PM | #46 | ||
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very interesting, timing seems about right, dollars turning,(except now everyone wants to buy $AUD ??) Thailand short of parts (according to letter i got from Ford about my ranger being delayed again!!)
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01-10-2012, 10:53 PM | #47 | ||
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There is still the question of the MUSTANG /FALCON rwd, ford said the mustang will be RWD have RHD for international markets, 2 years ago there was speculation that FALCON & MUSTANG to be close too one another ??????
Ford OZ even exported a few FG falcons to FORD HQ for evaluation they were even spotted driving on SNOW !!!! maybe they had the LINCOLN AWD system for the snow job !!!! |
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It comes down to a simple decision, does it cost less to switch to a global platform or does it cost less to keep evolving a RWD Falcon that uses the global parts bin? If you think about every area that decision touches on, the answer is not that simple as the "does it cost less to..." takes a lot of analysis..... Last edited by jpd80; 02-10-2012 at 05:41 AM. |
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02-10-2012, 08:25 AM | #51 | ||
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Falcons go to the US for testing that can be done quicker there than here.
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04-10-2012, 03:08 AM | #53 | |||
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People need to realise that in subtle terms, FoA has told everyone that the 2014 update will be the best Falcon yet. More fuel efficient, more refined, more desirable. It's more than likely that FoA's clever engineers have made a heinz 57 again out of the parts bin, with a local flavour, that makes business case of fitting in with other Ford product. Namely a RWD car with 4cyl, 6cyl, and 8cyl engines for RHD and LHD. Oh yeah.... the new Mustang.
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04-10-2012, 09:04 PM | #54 | ||
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With reference to post #30, would that footwell/firewall geometry allow enough flexibility for a different engine bay module with upper/lower wishbone suspension that would accommodate an engine with the correct alignment for rwd? more specifically a 4.0 which I think I remember was design protected for direct injection?
and, would such a mythical module be compatible with a new Mustang floorpan? |
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04-10-2012, 10:39 PM | #55 | |||
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The floorpan design of the Mustang is a major headache for any sharing arrangement with a sedan because of the requirements the Mustang has for front and rear seat height, rear seat headroom and the track width at the rear axle. The best bet for the Falcon going forward is to share as much of the major sub-assemblies as possible (such as the entire front and rear suspension modules, EPAS system, electrics, HVAC and powertrains) with the Mustang to alleviate the development costs FoA would otherwise have to go it alone with. This alone could probably halve the development costs to Ford for an all new Falcon, or at the very least chop several hundred million from the overall project cost.
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04-10-2012, 10:41 PM | #56 | |||
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Just more evidence of a Falcon/Mustang union.
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05-10-2012, 08:17 AM | #57 | ||
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Your kidding yourself Buntz if you think Ford NA is going to change Mustang to accommodate us. Mustang going global is the first step. Making it globally desirable is the bi-product. It will be up to Ford Aus to make anything work from those engineering modules.
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05-10-2012, 08:47 AM | #58 | ||
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My bet is the media has it right, goodbye RWD Falcon, hello FWD Falcon/Mondeo/Taurus. The Mustang will stand alone as it's own platform for the simple reason that FOA has absolutely no ability to convince FMC of the need to keep the falcon RWD.
And with the way the Falcon (and for that matter large cars) are selling here, I doubt there will be any need for them to sell a large car here after 2016...
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