This is a Centre Console..Only in America

[nstg8a]

Massive pic of m4 is, well, friggn massive!


You can't argue for and against Americas gun laws unless your an American IMO.

It's their own rights that would be eroded, and unless you've lived with those rights its impossible to argue whether those rights are just or not.

Personally I don't think America could reduce the guns if they tried, they've been so readily available for so long you couldn't ever hope to control them now.

[NickyN]

Twisted? I'm not even going to address that because that's just plain rude.

I see where you got your stats its from 2010. Idk what it is today since there's been mass shootings like Sandy Hook and others.

But for the record, you don't know where I stand on gun control and you don't know if I've donated or didn't donate, or support or don't support the NRA (National Rifle Association). You don't even know how I vote. You're right though, take away guns and tighten gun control and you would have less crazies having access to guns. But if I rounded up 100 people I know in a room, there's no way I'd find 95 guns I can guarantee you that.

FYI - Just because I responded here doesn't mean I have a vested interest in guns.

[ratter]

I don't think it was directed at you directly, but at the situation to where guns are easily available to the masses.

[ILLaViTaR]

That's just your average mommy mobile over there. Doesn't anyone watch the news?

[NickyN]

Guns are not readily accessible. You can't just walk into a shop, pay in cash and walk out with a gun. During the app process there's a wait period, background checks, permits to then go buy the gun then going back to get it documented. Certain states are more liberal when it comes to gun control. Certain states have a carry law and some states even allow concealed weapons.

But like many laws there are loopholes in how they're written. I.e. a permit will allow the permit holder to buy X amt of guns. The lobbyists have lots of $ and lawmakers/politicians well, you know how that goes.

[nstg8a]

To an Australian or kiwi they're far more readily available than here, totally different gun cultures.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by JC

I can't believe it would be legal in ANY state. Just goes go show how twisted things over in the good ole US of A.

USA has 95 guns per 100 people, and 10.3 gun induced deaths per 100,000 population.

Australia has 15 guns per 100 people and 1.06 gun induced deaths per 100,000 population.

What does this show? That the USA has just over 6 times the gun rate, resulting in more than 9 times the gun induced death rate. What this says to me is that the more guns there are, the more chance there is that the rate of gun induced deaths is going to be higher.

Take the guns away, and the deaths per 100,000 drops significantly. You can argue that arming innocent people protects them from those who would kill with guns, but the evidence of these pure numbers says different, and only those with a vested interest in guns would even bother to argue the point (that would be most Americans and any other gun owners - just watch the responses that appear below).

I`m still trying to work out if you`re Anti-American or Anti-gun.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

I`m still trying to work out if you`re Anti-American or Anti-gun.

Aunty who?

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by JC

I can't believe it would be legal in ANY state. Just goes go show how twisted things over in the good ole US of A.

USA has 95 guns per 100 people, and 10.3 gun induced deaths per 100,000 population.

Australia has 15 guns per 100 people and 1.06 gun induced deaths per 100,000 population.

What does this show? That the USA has just over 6 times the gun rate, resulting in more than 9 times the gun induced death rate. What this says to me is that the more guns there are, the more chance there is that the rate of gun induced deaths is going to be higher.

Take the guns away, and the deaths per 100,000 drops significantly. You can argue that arming innocent people protects them from those who would kill with guns, but the evidence of these pure numbers says different, and only those with a vested interest in guns would even bother to argue the point (that would be most Americans and any other gun owners - just watch the responses that appear below).

The only major thing that removing guns from US citizens will achieve is to drop the suicide rate with firearms. (over 60% of firearm deaths in the US is suicide)
But if Australia is anything to go by, people will just find another way of killing themselves.

Criminals dont care for laws, so banning guns wont affect them (like Mexico - which has a higher firearm murder rate than the US)
If anything, it will make things worse in a country that has over 300million of them.
Criminals will now know everyone is an easy target, as they wont be worried about that shotgun that a citizen may or may not have hiding under their bed.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Aunty who?

Troll, drunk? plz enlighten me

[ratter]

Damo's just being funny

changed Anti to aunty

oh well I guess if it has to be explained can't be that funny ;)

[nstg8a]

Why is that dog popping up everywhere?

[UberKnee]

Originally Posted by davenl5l

people get shot every day in Australia. even with gun laws. gun's don't kill people, people kill people

They just make killing easy. Bit harder to walk into a school and beat 20 people to death, or stab 20 people to death. Much easier to just point your hand and move a single finger, that.s what guns do.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Troll, drunk? plz enlighten me

Was an ad back years ago where this mum is explaining to the camera about how good this particular product is and mentions "anti-oxidants" and her son goes "AUNTY WHO??".

But no one picked up on it :(

I can't remember what the product is though, so the advertising half worked.

I think with a population of 300,000,000+ people, you're bound to have more crazies, it probably isn't the mentality or the guns doing it, just more people so more crazies.

I'm pretty sure New Zealand has very lax firearms laws.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Was an ad back years ago where this mum is explaining to the camera about how good this particular product is and mentions "anti-oxidants" and her son goes "AUNTY WHO??".

But no one picked up on it :(

I can't remember what the product is though, so the advertising half worked.

I think with a population of 300,000,000+ people, you're bound to have more crazies, it probably isn't the mentality or the guns doing it, just more people so more crazies.

I'm pretty sure New Zealand has very lax firearms laws.

You forgot to mention the part about how within 2 minutes of a certain person being born the pill was invented.

[2011G6E]

I visited a gun shop in Las Vegas...amazing place, security was tight, and the owner was friendly and couldn't be more helpful and informative. Unfortunately I didn't have time to sample any of the wares at the on site shooting range, but he offered anyway.
I got out my wallet and showed him what our gun licence looks like and told him how ours works. While I was looking around some Latino guy was in there wanting to buy his first pistol. He was promptly told he'd have to pay a deposit, fill out paperwork, then lodge those papers with the county office. Then came a minimum three day waiting period (but it could be longer) where they do background checks. This is a lot quicker than here in Australia because nearly everyone is fingerprinted at some stage, whether it be for a licence or whatever...we were fingerprinted coming through customs at San Francisco on entering the country.
Only then if everything came back OK could he come back, pay the balance, and take his new pistol.
Rifles and shotguns were a lot easier to get though.

The owner was amazed when I told him how stunned I was at Walmart...air rifles and pellet guns on sale in the sporting department for cheap prices. I said we had to have a licence to own them...he was stunned...he said they're "not real rifles, more like toys for kids starting out shooting".
I could go one better...in Walmart they had a huge range of Airsoft brand pistols and rifles, which fire a small plastic ball. I told him that they aren't even allowed into Australia...they're completely banned altogether. He nearly fell over...he said "But...they're just toys..."
I said "Yep...that's the mentality you're dealing with when it comes to some of the finer details of our gun laws back home..."
Non-gun-owners probably won't know, but do you realise that you actually need a "firearms licence" for those fire starter things that farmers use when burning off? Fire Bugs or something they're called...a tank of fuel with a long nozzle to dribble burning kero on weeds and trash. You also need a firearms licence for "studded leather gloves"...if they were strict, half the motorcycle gloves in the shops would be banned...

Most of the shootings in the US are either police shooting criminals or criminals shooting criminals...gang shootings...and in my opinion these should be left out of the statistics altogether, or at least put in separately. In one case...the cops...it's guys doing society a service, and in the other...criminals killing criminals...who basically cares? There was one shooting in Las Vegas while we were there...a guy got shot in an alley beside a 7/11 in an outlying suburb. News items said it was "a drug deal gone wrong", but this will end up lumped in with all the other "gun crime" to make figures look worse than they actually are.

It's not as terrifying over there as people make out...

[JC]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

I`m still trying to work out if you`re Anti-American or Anti-gun.

I drive an American explorer.......got it yet? If not, then I'll make it simple.....anti-gun, and anti-american gun laws, pro-australian gun laws. But not generally anti-american; only the ones who are crazy and have a gun.

[JC]

Originally Posted by NickyN

Twisted? I'm not even going to address that because that's just plain rude.

I see where you got your stats its from 2010. Idk what it is today since there's been mass shootings like Sandy Hook and others.

But for the record, you don't know where I stand on gun control and you don't know if I've donated or didn't donate, or support or don't support the NRA (National Rifle Association). You don't even know how I vote. You're right though, take away guns and tighten gun control and you would have less crazies having access to guns. But if I rounded up 100 people I know in a room, there's no way I'd find 95 guns I can guarantee you that.

FYI - Just because I responded here doesn't mean I have a vested interest in guns.

Didn't mean you were twisted personally, just the American psyche where most believe that guns don't kill people - they sure kill more than knives though; especially at one time - haven't seen any knife massacres (ever). If that's still rude, then I can live with that. The only way what I wrote would apply to you personally, would be if you do support guns, and you do belong to the NRA; then how you take what I write is up to you.

[XR Martin]

Originally Posted by JC

Didn't mean you were twisted personally, just the American psyche where most believe that guns don't kill people - they sure kill more than knives though; especially at one time - haven't seen any knife massacres (ever). If that's still rude, then I can live with that. The only way what I wrote would apply to you personally, would be if you do support guns, and you do belong to the NRA; then how you take what I write is up to you.

Knife massacres are quite common in Asia.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by JC

I drive an American explorer.......got it yet? If not, then I'll make it simple.....anti-gun, and anti-american gun laws, pro-australian gun laws. But not generally anti-american; only the ones who are crazy and have a gun.

Nice back pedal from you OP.

So its the ''crazy people'' now and not the gun.

[Moby Vic]

Originally Posted by ratter

americans don't listen to anyone else anyway do they?

and that's according to the ones that I know and have spoken too

I'd say we're at least as amenable to outside input as Australians.

We even have the president Europe so dearly wanted.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by JC

I drive an American explorer.......got it yet? If not, then I'll make it simple.....anti-gun, and anti-american gun laws, pro-australian gun laws. But not generally anti-american; only the ones who are crazy and have a gun.

And anti-drug laws have gotten rid of the drug problems in the world. I'm sure gun laws will eliminate homicides.

[csv8]

2011G6E I agree with you, America is safe, I have been there 3 times, LA, SD, LV, NY, DC, ,SLC .you just watch were you go. Don't go in known gang areas etc. Doesn't take long to get used to driving on the wrong side of the road...I notice there are more police on the beat/road than here..not hiding in speed cameras....

[davenl5l]

american's fought a war of independence and now have the right to bare arm's so that no one can take away their independence! we should not judge them or their culture as the only war's we have been in were all other people's.

[shane3]

over 11,000 people a year (30 people a DAY!!!!) get killed via guns in the good ol USA, the Australian government **** them selves over 13 people a YEAR getting killed (murdered or suicide)

[NickyN]

Originally Posted by JC

Didn't mean you were twisted personally, just the American psyche where most believe that guns don't kill people - they sure kill more than knives though; especially at one time - haven't seen any knife massacres (ever). If that's still rude, then I can live with that. The only way what I wrote would apply to you personally, would be if you do support guns, and you do belong to the NRA; then how you take what I write is up to you.

You don't know what most Americans think, the same way I don't generalize what most Australians think. Yes, guns kill/maim people. But not by itself, it takes someone to handle the gun to do that. So maybe it's education, reform, laws, etc. One thing for sure, it's the gun lobbyists who seem to have a lot of power in Congress. I've heard people say that if we did away with these special interest groups then maybe reform would have a chance. Idk, I'm not into politics.

Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

Knife massacres are quite common in Asia.

As I recall, AU had some brutal machete attacks recently. One in a major city (as it Sydney) and the other just the other week while a group went hiking.

[NickyN]

Originally Posted by csv8

2011G6E I agree with you, America is safe, I have been there 3 times, LA, SD, LV, NY, DC, ,SLC .you just watch were you go. Don't go in known gang areas etc. Doesn't take long to get used to driving on the wrong side of the road...I notice there are more police on the beat/road than here..not hiding in speed cameras....

Regardless which state you're visiting, there are areas to avoid and for good reason. Just like I'm sure there's areas to avoid in AU too, not safe for tourist kind of areas, right?

Haha, we think we're on the correct side of the road, it's all in perspective, right? Like Japan.

[Iggle Piggle]

Originally Posted by csv8

Centre Console only in America. Had one here, you would be arrested an jailed!!!

I'm don't understand all the fuss...plenty of consoles over here are made of that fake 'leatherette' crap.

[comagutsa]

dont worry GTA 5 is out now ..so everything soon will be blammed on that

btw i have a few guns and i have been using them since i was 8yr old..does that make me a killer ?? in some peoples eyes Yes it does ..make me mad as hell
lets just look after our own backyard and stop worrying about others

to me if someone has a legit reason for a gun and isnt a few can short of a six pack up top etc ..let them be

[Ismegordo]

Isn't it amazing to think that some people believe that this is ok and should be in every vehicle. And then they complain when someone goes out on a RAMPAGE.
It really is mixed up world we live in.