Shopper docket fuel trap

[XBROO]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Yeah you guys are right.
I fill up only at Coles/Shell express once a week for about 100L of LPG. With an 8c voucher I 'only' save about $8 per tank. Over the course of a year it's 'only' a saving of like $416. SFA.

A few things also, my mum shops at Coles and gives me the vouchers, she often pays in separate $30+ transactions to get multiple vouchers in one shopping trip, yes they allow this.
I shop at ALDI generally, so not paying the apparently inflated costs to cover the discount.
Coles express LPG is usually the cheapest around to start with too.

I shop at ALDI and I have a family, so I save around $100 dollars a week. So around $400 a month from when I shopped at the others. So $416 a year is SFA, compared to $400 a month.

[Sox]

I think people need to be mindful that certain $$ mean different things to different people.
Same with waiting time.

Originally Posted by xisled

There has been plenty of times I have seen cars waiting to get fuel on so called cheap days. The best example I can think of, is the shell servo in Laverton, just off the FWY in Vic. I have seen about 50 cars waiting for fuel. They do have about 15 pumps, but still the wait would have been around 10 minutes plus.

It may be only a 10 minute wait for fuel, but that 10 minute wait, turns into 20 minutes when you try and merge back onto the freeway at peak hour.

I hear what you're saying.
Whilst I haven't experienced a queue for a garage in 20 years, I recognise others probably do a on a regular basis.
It would give me the ships to wait 10min for fuel every few days. I'm not sure I'd bother for only a couple $$.

Why are so offended that I said $600 a year is not much?

Maybe because it's a lot to another person.

$600 a year isn't a great deal in the big picture, but it could be to some people.
It's not big to me either, yet I still value it.

Oh wait lets work it out. $600 a year works out to be $11.54 a week, $1.65 a day. So looking at that $600 a year is stuff all. My time is worth more than waiting to fill the car and carrying around a shopper docket.

Fair enough, a lot of peoples time isn't, and if they don't have to wait, then there's no problem.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by xisled

Oh wait lets work it out. $600 a year works out to be $11.54 a week, $1.65 a day. So looking at that $600 a year is stuff all. My time is worth more than waiting to fill the car and carrying around a shopper docket.

Another perspective is, if you (not YOU personally, you in general) earn an average wage of say $30 an hour, that $11.54 weekly saving represents 23 minutes worth of your time.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Another perspective is, if you (not YOU personally, you in general) earn an average wage of say $30 an hour, that $11.54 weekly saving represents 23 minutes worth of your time.

i (as in me) sit on the toilet at work for around 25 minutes a day..

im still in front not using shopper dockets...

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

i (as in me) sit on the toilet at work for around 25 minutes a day..

im still in front not using shopper dockets...

As do I, but still use a docket too. So I'm doubly in front.

[GTP534]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

i (as in me) sit on the toilet at work for around 25 minutes a day..

im still in front not using shopper dockets...

I'm really surprised you would own up to that on a public forum!! (LOL)
Another use for the dockets perhaps?

[eb2fairmont]

I think you put your finger through that one.

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Originally Posted by xisled

There has been plenty of times I have seen cars waiting to get fuel on so called cheap days. The best example I can think of, is the shell servo in Laverton, just off the FWY in Vic. I have seen about 50 cars waiting for fuel. They do have about 15 pumps, but still the wait would have been around 10 minutes plus.

It may be only a 10 minute wait for fuel, but that 10 minute wait, turns into 20 minutes when you try and merge back onto the freeway at peak hour.

Why are so offended that I said $600 a year is not much?

Oh wait lets work it out. $600 a year works out to be $11.54 a week, $1.65 a day. So looking at that $600 a year is stuff all. My time is worth more than waiting to fill the car and carrying around a shopper docket.

Mate I could not care less but saying $600 is not much is just rubbish talk, even if you are earning $1000 per day, $600 is still a fair chunk of cash. I don't know how much you earn but unless it is well over $1000 a day saying that $600 is not much and does not matter to you is just a rubbish statement.

I still have not received your PM so you can transfer the $300 into my account, I mean if $600 is not much why you so reluctant to give me half that??

You now why??? because it's a lot of money....just because you don't notice it a few $$ at a time at the end of the day you will have $600 less to spend, same as taking $600 out of your wallet and throwing it away, no difference.

People are too careless with their money and then they are in debt and wonder why.

If you look after the cents then the $$$ take care of themselves.

[prydey]

its hard to know which side of the fence is more brainwashed reading this thread.

those who think they are actually saving millions by avoiding coles/woolies 'on principle'

or

those who think spending more to get a discount is saving them money.


new2ford - why do you even bother living in australia? it seems every discussion you are involved in you bang on about how much better it is in all other parts of the world. unfortunately, it isn't cheaper for me to buy my toothpaste from germany or my medication from prague. pretty sure it would cost me, the consumer, a whole lot more if i was to do my shopping that way

getting upset at the multinationals for the way they do business isn't really worth it and its not confined to grocery stores. they are just 2 of the ones people love to hate.

[mike_nofx]

Also, I looked up the price of unleaded in Germany, it's apparently 1.58euro. Or $2.06 a litre.

[Drizz06]

The day they make discount dockets for BP Ultimate is the day ill start using them!

[xtremerus]

In our town [~13,000] the Coles shopper docket for fuel is only good for the toilet.
Woolies have a fuel outlet, but Coles don't.

[BF-2K7]

Originally Posted by prydey

its hard to know which side of the fence is more brainwashed reading this thread.

.......... ya got that right

glad Im running LPG and keeping out of this one!! lmao

[Stefan]

I'll go the next step. I refuse to shop at woolies or coles, fuel food, anything.

Fruit veg and groceries type items Harris Farm or similar
meat...local butcher.
Rest IGA
Fuel Independant or BP.

If my shopping habit cost me $2K/ year more....glad to pay the premium, but I refuse to buy second rate produce.....been doing doing this for 3 months now and honestly I aint spending more, BUT my fruit and veg last more than 2 days (which is the time it takes the woolies rubbish to go off).

As for fuel saving at woolies and coles, if they were not making money off the shopper docket scam they would not be offering it....simple. If you think you're saving money good luck to you, that is what they want you to think (the more you spend the more you save, HAHAHA)

more $$$$$$ to Westfarmers.....

[new2ford]

Originally Posted by prydey

getting upset at the multinationals for the way they do business isn't really worth it and its not confined to grocery stores. they are just 2 of the ones people love to hate.

It doesn't mean you lie down and accept what's going on here, which is the country sliding into unaffordability. I'm using Europe only as an example not a place to live. In terms of relativity between disposable income and cost of living there is a bigger gap in Australia than in central Europe and it wasn't always that way, it's gone on a slide. That's a type of issue voters should be dealing out to politicians who get elected to manage the country. A sliding standard of living is a political issue I believe.

Or you just sit back and accept it, hoping your income and savings hold out, and convince yourself it's still the lucky country and the Coles/Woolworths duopoly and lack of competition (the thing that normally regulates prices) are just wonderful.

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Also, I looked up the price of unleaded in Germany, it's apparently 1.58euro. Or $2.06 a litre.

I was paying $1.50 a litre for diesel last year and the price of petrol wasn't that much more. And I hardly think there's been a sudden price skyrocket in 3 months since I left there. So it's an argument between what you looked up on the internet and what I saw on the ground I guess.

[302 XC]

Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

I have asked this question several times now and have received no answer:
DO YOU GROW YOUR OWN VEGGIES AND KILL YOUR OWN ANIMALS TO EAT AND DO YOU MAKE YOUR OWN FUEL????? I would say NO.

Ill answer that
2 of the above,
Grow my own vegies, have about 20 fruit trees ATM,and have cattle next door
Now its not to save money in the cents,its because i know what im eating
Theres no chemicals on anything i grow,its picked fresh and eaten fresh,nothin is preserved to store for months and months like whats bought in a shop ,the cattle we know what it eats and what it doesnt
As i mention its not about the money its a better quality product for us
I cant see how buying at the bigger brands for the great shop a dockets are a saving when its been proven time and again shoppin at places like aldi is cheaper at the checkout .....
Take the 8 c a litre,even go 10 c a litre ,whats most cars hold 90 L
$9 a tank, yet shoppin elswhere is cheaper than $9 .....
We can all arque till black and blue,most buy where they do for whatever the reason,be it cheaper , a shop a docket,better service,better parking, whatever
Im more a "I hate shoppin" kinda guy , and the quicker its done the better
I hate lining up, some say very impatient,so what i pay for that
Yes i do shop at aldi and dont get sucked in by shop a dockets

[Stefan]

Reality is cost of living is going to keep rising,

I hear on the radio now all the conservative radio host going into overdrive about the carbon tax etc and energy prices, cost of living blah blah blah.

One thing I will guarantee if there is a change in Government the carbon tax may be repealed BUT what is definite is that your power price will NOT go down....nothing ever goes down in in price (except computers and flat screen TVs maybe)

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Reality is cost of living is going to keep rising,

I hear on the radio now all the conservative radio host going into overdrive about the carbon tax etc and energy prices, cost of living blah blah blah.

One thing I will guarantee if there is a change in Government the carbon tax may be repealed BUT what is definite is that your power price will NOT go down....nothing ever goes down in in price (except computers and flat screen TVs maybe)

the rise in power prices had little if anything to do with the carbon tax anyway

dreading the upcoming Liberal Federal Govt under Abbott, if only they'd replace him with Turnbull, a very reasonable and smart man

thanks for the heads up re the shopper docket condition change, spotted a small sign today re this at local Shell servo

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by aus880

the rise in power prices had little if anything to do with the carbon tax anyway

dreading the upcoming Liberal Federal Govt under Abbott, if only they'd replace him with Turnbull, a very reasonable and smart man

Exactly, but the problem with change of Gov even if Turnbull is Leader or PM is that he will just be a different mouth piece sitting above the same bureaucrats making the same decisions...nothing much will change you'll just be told about them in a more likeable fashion.

Getting off topic now though...(Flappist will be on to it shortly though)

[mr smith]

Fuel dockets like LPG, Target jeans and no name food make you look povo.

[GREGL]

Alright then to those believers how is it then that a Freedom servo up here can at least 50% of the time match the Woolies/Coles servos for price AFTER discount ? (in a given week) I am not joking , kinda makes your arguments a tad Hi HO . No offers no association with a s/market so who is really getting bent over !

[GTP534]

I can't see what all the fuss is about really, it's different strokes for different folks.

We do shop at Woollies for things like washing powder/home cleaning products, nappies, biscuits, cooking oil, some tin and jar goods. We usually look for specials.

We find Aldi more expensive for some items, particularly biscuits, chocolate, etc but cheaper for frozen goods such as pies, chips, and so on; we don't eat too much frozen food anyway. They do sell a really nice French beer though!

Fruit, vegetables and eggs we buy some from Woolies but mostly from Harris Farm or Growers Market. Rice we buy from Harris Farm and only when on special.

Meat and chicken we buy from the butchers; we find that cheaper than Woolies and never been disappointed from the 2 butchers we frequent.

We have a lot of fresh fish and usually get that from a seafood shop such as Costi's and don't mind paying a bit more as we enjoy fresh steamed fish and it's good for the health.

Asian goods we buy from an asian specialist place such as Tong Li.

As for petrol, the Territory is fed Vortex 95 and the R-Spec gets 98. I've never had to queue more than 1 car behind a car already at the bowser. The 4 cents a litre might not seem much but I perceive it as a saving, real or not, as I believe we shop sensibly. Even for petrol we usually wait until it drops in price towards the end of the cycle.

I normally go for the petrol early on a Sunday morning while the kids are asleep so that blows the argument out of the water about queuing for petrol impacting on time spent with the family.

[MDS69]

I filled up tonight with a Shell $0.18c/l discount docket. Saved me $27.00. Shame the dockets are only good for 150L as I put in 168L. I probably paid for it by paying inflated grocery prices but oh well.

[castellan]

Shopper dockets are a scam, as if they offer 8c you see the price of fuel does go up correspondingly, even if it's 4c you only save 2c generally.
So it's a just joke. we should put a stop to all this rubbish.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by aus880

the rise in power prices had little if anything to do with the carbon tax anyway

dreading the upcoming Liberal Federal Govt under Abbott, if only they'd replace him with Turnbull, a very reasonable and smart man

thanks for the heads up re the shopper docket condition change, spotted a small sign today re this at local Shell servo

Turnbull the turncoat the total creep. he was and is involved with the biggest criminals the world has ever known. the filthy money grabbing low life.
He tried to flog us Aussies off with the carbon tax, and boy is their money to be made their for creeps like him in that. and that's about all their is.

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by new2ford

It doesn't mean you lie down and accept what's going on here, which is the country sliding into unaffordability. I'm using Europe only as an example not a place to live. In terms of relativity between disposable income and cost of living there is a bigger gap in Australia than in central Europe and it wasn't always that way, it's gone on a slide. That's a type of issue voters should be dealing out to politicians who get elected to manage the country. A sliding standard of living is a political issue I believe.

Or you just sit back and accept it, hoping your income and savings hold out, and convince yourself it's still the lucky country and the Coles/Woolworths duopoly and lack of competition (the thing that normally regulates prices) are just wonderful.


I was paying $1.50 a litre for diesel last year and the price of petrol wasn't that much more. And I hardly think there's been a sudden price skyrocket in 3 months since I left there. So it's an argument between what you looked up on the internet and what I saw on the ground I guess.

http://gasoline-germany.com/statistik.phtml

[mike_nofx]

Originally Posted by mr smith

Fuel dockets like LPG, Target jeans and no name food make you look povo.

And what does shopping at coles/woolies, throwing a docket in the bin, then paying full price for petrol at Coles/woolies servo;
Then buying a new petrol 6 falcon instead of LPG 6 (which is more powerful and cheaper to run);
And spending $500 on a la-dee-da pair of jeans all make you look like?

Stupid?

[XB GS 351 Coupe]

Well I am out I guess.

We don't have Aldi, so it's not a choice, plus I don't really like the quality of most thing at Aldi when I have gone there, the kids won't even eat half the stuff we buy from there either for school snacks, so pointless as I would have to go somewhere else anyway to buy the rest of the shopping.

We have Coles and Woolies and IGA, Wollies is cheapest and has the best choice and the best specials, so I shop at Wollies, why??? because it is the cheapest groceries I can buy and the biggest range and the best known brand quality that I like to eat. Meat we get from the butcher anyway, Why??? because it's cheaper than the Supermarkets and the meat is better.

When I shop I pay and get my key card out and also give them my rewards card, they are next to each other in the wallet, so no effort involved.

Usually on the way into town I have already checked fuel prices at all three major servos as I need to drive past them anyway to get to the Supermarket, and guess what, my local Woolies servo is cheapest 8/10 times, even without a discount So with that knowledge safely in my mind I pull into the servo, drive up to the bowser and fill the car, and may be some jerry cans for the lawn mower (use about 5 litres a week for the mower), then walk inside and hand the console operator my rewards card located next to my key card in my wallet, they swipe and I now pay about $5-15 less for what ever number showed up on the bowser.

I walk out and drive away. I now still have more money in the bank than I would have had otherwise using any other scenario, Go to IGA may be??? Pay more for less choice of products and less specials (pay more at register for less), and still have to go to the same servo and fill up the same fuel into the same car, but not get my $5-15 off. May be driving an additional 200km to get to an Aldi??? I doubt that would be more economical time and money wise.

So if anyone can tell me where I could be saving myself any more money, or how I am being scammed, or ripped off please explain it to me.

Originally Posted by mr smith

Fuel dockets like LPG, Target jeans and no name food make you look povo.

But not using them may just make you povo.

Originally Posted by mike_nofx

And what does shopping at coles/woolies, throwing a docket in the bin, then paying full price for petrol at Coles/woolies servo;
Then buying a new petrol 6 falcon instead of LPG 6 (which is more powerful and cheaper to run);
And spending $500 on a la-dee-da pair of jeans all make you look like?

Stupid?

Try hard comes to mind

[cobramania]

Originally Posted by Drizz06

The day they make discount dockets for BP Ultimate is the day ill start using them!

My local BP (BP company owned), has 8 cpl off petrol if you buy something in the shop also (that they specify), like 2 600ml bottles of coke. Last week when I filled up, it was buy 2 500ml bottles of water (cheap brand), & get 8 cpl off petrol. I haven't filled up at any other BP's for about 6 weeks, but assumed this was a BP company Aus wide. deal?

Depends on how big of a fill you do, a 60-65L fill on Ultimate, usually works out you get the drinks/other product for free, (what you pay for the product, you save on fuel). Any less litres or using 91 or 95 RON fuel, you end up paying more than if you just payed full price for the petrol. If you really wanted the drinks/other product, there's no great loss & you're probably still a tiny bit ahead, but if you didn't particularly want the other product, you just got it to get 8 cpl off your petrol, you're well behind.

[Stefan]

Just did a quick scan this morning of my 3 local servos within a stones throw of each other.

Shell (Coles), discounted unleaded 141.9, bowser price is 149.9.

BP, unleaded 149.9, as Cobramania stated above 2 bottle of coke gets you 8c off (I know as I buy my premium for the GT here)

Indepedant, unleaded 141.9 bowser. (my refuel spot for all things other than the GTs)

Then the Wolies Caltex up the road 2 kms by itself (no competitor at a stones throw) unleaded discounted 154.9, bowser 162.9.

Yeah were getting great deal with our fuel discount vouchers, inflate the fuel price then give you discount....