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But its perfectly ok to put lefty propaganda from the Fairfax press on, no problem with that I'm guessing
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You are certainly fluffing around the edges. there is nothing in the Bracks report or any other report to say that 45,000 people or even 64,000 (as in the bracks report) to say that, that many people are employed in the car manufacturing industry. Most reports state, "Automotive Industry", which also includes those who fit the muffler at the local midas store, or the receptionist who works at the service desk at the local ford dealer. these jobs arent going anywhere. Heres the phrase from the Bracks report Quote:
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If they don't see an ROI and/or can see that spending those $$'s elsewhere will return a better ROI, then the door close, it's happened with assembly plants in the US too, not just here. End of the day, Ford could have poured billions into Aus, but what for? the Falcon/Terri is on an aging platform that needs a complete refresh but the sales volume just doesn't support it. That leaves Ford Aus to build 'One Ford' platforms, but i'll bet the business case still doesn't stack up (the Focus was once green lighted for Aussie manufacture but knocked on the head) Only way to get manufacture back in Aus is to raise import tariffs on O/S cars which would raise the cost of cars for us and build in the fat required for us to support a local industry again. That's why we had a buoyant car manufacturing industry in halcyon days. |
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You are right about the returns to shareholders Kieron.
I'm reading about the demise of Nissan Australia in 1992 at present, and there was a trail of red ink a mile long; management choosing silly cars and being at odds with product planning; government interference in disallowing Nissan to build 6's; the car sharing system and mandated factory-closing under certain volumes that were part of the Button Plan ("..designed to force local manufacturers into producing in larger volumes or quit as tariff protection was reduced."). It was a mess. How do you justify operating under such policy to your shareholders when all they see is red?
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The Button Plan came about after it was recognised Australians paid too much for inferior quality cars. To try and rectify this tariffs were gradually reduced, and the Button Plan was aiming to gradually reduce the size of the local manufacturing industry to even it all out. All in all from what I can tell it was good policy. But the problem was that no other study or plan of attack of similar scope has ever been divised since. Meanwhile the tariffs are all the way down to 5% with no plan for that, (even though it had been scheduled to happen for over a decade) hence we get the sudden mass exodus of the remaining manufacturers.
This isn't what Button had in mind I'm pretty sure... |
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The Button Plan was to reduce the number of models manufactured locally as we had GMH, Ford, Chrysler, Toyota and Nissan manufacturing here. The Button Plan recognised that for the size of the Australian market this was too many.
It encouraged model sharing and that's how we got Ford Mavericks/Nissan Patrols, Holden Appollos/Toyota Camrys and so on. This rationalisation was to make them more productive in a climate of a gradual reduction in import tariffs. Meanwhile, importers were always crying for lower tariffs for a more level playing field. I'm not an expert on it but it was intended to make the local industry more productive and to reduce the number of manufacturers so the industry could survive.
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So there was no provision in the Button Plan that once a certain size - ie 4 makers and 200,000 cars per year - was reached there was a defensible "line in the sand" that policy would shift to protect? How on earth could such a policy be approved without some view of how to act once it was successful?
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The rest is no worse than other parts of the world. It used to be bad here before we had sealed roads everywhere, that's changed for the majority of places people drive cars. The rest, you wouldn't take a car there anyway.
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I'm really sick of those built for Australia's harsh conditions comments.
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Some people need to take a drive overseas.
Even a highly advance industrial country like the US which has some great highways also has some very tough conditions. Death Valley gives a vehicle a good test and I’ve yet to see a modern city that has more rim cracking, suspension breaking potholes than New York. Even a road as famous as Mulholland Drive is a shocker in some places. |
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Our UV levels are the highest in the world I thought?
Very tough on interior plastics like dash boards etc. |
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http://www.livescience.com/46701-and...-measured.html Yes tough on plastics and roof linings. ![]()
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http://www.test-trak.com/testservices.htm http://www.caradvice.com.au/333449/h...-in-australia/ http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/n...326-35jrv.html http://www.ausbt.com.au/boeing-787-9...ralian-outback
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The only two cars that I can think of where the suspension design has failed as a result if our so-called harsh conditions are the XK Falcon and the ford territory.
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BMW E46 3 series rear subframe, VP IRS and FJ Cruiser front end are three that I can think of off the top of my head.
All of which were far worse than the ball joint issue on the Territory.
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Mercedes G wagon a famous fail with all eight breaking suspension with journos in tow. And stuck in WA outback needing airlifted of parts in... |
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Then there's the never-ending rattles on rough roads ![]() Not critical of the Territory, it's a fantastic design. Just sayin!
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[QUOTE=new2ford;5477654]The suspension bushes in the Territory are prone to short lifespan - long enough to get them past warranty, short enough to be an unwanted large expense for the owner. Terrific suspension in terms of the way the car works but rather fragile imho. Not very good for the "built-tough-for-Australia" image.
Then there's the never-ending rattles on rough roads ![]() Not critical of the Territory, it's a fantastic design. Just sayin![/QUOT Whereas I'm very critical of the Territory, the build quality is embarrassing, the rear susp design is laughable and the rust issues are inexcusable. Why is auto manufacuring dead in aust? Because the local cars are do not meet modern expectations of features, quality or value for money.....dead simple. |
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