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Old 26-11-2006, 02:00 PM   #1
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rofl, my car is pretty much a jap car in the shel of a korean,
kind of like a japanese person wearing korean clothing?

still an asian car though
around here people actually care what their cars look like.
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Old 26-11-2006, 01:59 PM   #2
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A Hyundai owner talking crap on Fords, theres a new one. What the hell has Hyundai ever made that was interesting or even good looking for that matter?
Only car worth a mention is the current model Tiburon, but its still wrong wheel drive.
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He's running a Mitsubishi 4g63t as I understand it.
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He's running a Mitsubishi 4g63t as I understand it.
Going by his other post, it isnt running yet :
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So that would be fried rice then :
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Old 26-11-2006, 02:18 PM   #6
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rofl,
my car is running, but I want to get rid of the afm assembly that i have
i dun intend to use my car for towing caravos or trailers or fitting in luggage
that is the job for family car

I take back about doing up fords making me rofl, well, I put it as ricing up fords makes me rofl

rice aint that great ayes XD can look nice though

well, I dun really like korean cars in particular, just that I got the car for free, and I had the spare bits already due to me already having a project mitsu starion.
i just combined things together and well. it is a good sleeper
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Oh BTW Steffo, heres a video clearly showing the R34 GTR not being quicker around a race track than an NSX. Not only does the R34 get a hiding, so does the Porsche GT3 : With both of them coming 3rd and 4th and posting the slowest lap times :

http://www.sturmovik.org/Vids/Best_M...SX-R_race.mpeg
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Oh BTW Steffo, heres a video clearly showing the R34 GTR not being quicker around a race track than an NSX. Not only does the R34 get a hiding, so does the Porsche GT3 : With both of them coming 3rd and 4th and posting the slowest lap times :

http://www.sturmovik.org/Vids/Best_M...SX-R_race.mpeg
Here's another video to support your point:http://www.racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=828
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Some people need to see a NSX in real life just to appreciate how good a car they are.
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Old 27-11-2006, 04:45 PM   #10
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Some people need to see a NSX in real life just to appreciate how good a car they are.
Having driven one that a mate of mine owned a few years ago I think they dated very quickly and never had sufficient upgrades to justify the price.
My mate regretted buying his, took him about a year to sell as they aren't very popular. The fit and finish was great but I was very dissapointed in the way it drove and even handled. And before you say anything about being biased I've owned a number of different honda products from motorbikes to an S2000 and loved all of them.
I would take an old Porsche over an NSX anyday.
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Old 27-11-2006, 05:39 PM   #11
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Oh BTW Steffo, heres a video clearly showing the R34 GTR not being quicker around a race track than an NSX. Not only does the R34 get a hiding, so does the Porsche GT3 : With both of them coming 3rd and 4th and posting the slowest lap times :

http://www.sturmovik.org/Vids/Best_M...SX-R_race.mpeg
Its a Best (Worst?) Motoring vid. The most biased to Japanese cars, biased to AWD cars, incorrect source you can provide.

They have such videos as a Corvette Z06 (C5, 405hp 400ftlbs 5.7 LS6) losing around a circuit to an Evo4, Evo5, WRX STi, NSX, NSX Type-S Zero, R33 GT-R, R34 GT-R, Clio V6 Mk1 (235hp) etc and lots of other such funnies of things that won't happen.

It's about as accurate as using Top Gear Powerlaps to justify your claims, ie: not very. Find a better source then them. If you're going for Magazine-style stuff, Evo, Sport-Auto, Motor, Wheels etc etc. Far more believeable and accurate information will come from them then shows like Top Gear or Best Motoring. Fifth Gear is decent too, except that Tiff doesn't really like to give any car a bad review.

Oh, and I looked this up, and laughed quited a bit...

Nurburgring-Nordschleife lap times:

Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467kg, 8:09 (Sport Auto 08/02)
Honda NSX-R, 320 PS/1467kg, 7:56.73 - Incomplete Lap (Best Motoring Video, "Carrera Invasion")

Now lets have a bit of fun with cars that beat the best-ever NSX...

Mercedes-Benz SL55 AMG, 500 PS/2150kg, 8:06 (Sport Auto 04/02)

Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R, 280 PS/1650kg, 7:59 (Dirk Schoymans, Autocar Magazine 97)

Porsche 911 Carrera S (997), 355 PS/1461kg, 7:59 (Walter Roherl, Wheels 06/04)

BMW M3 CSL, 360 PS/1421kg, 7:50 (Sport Auto 08/03)

Porsche 911 GT3 (996) 381 PS/1391kg, 7:49 (AutoBild 2004)

Porsche 911 GT3 (997) 415 PS/1440kg, 7:48 (Sport Auto 07/06)

Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/1650kg, 7:58 (Frank Stippler, 10/05)

BMW M6, 507 PS/1761kg, 8:07.76 (Prinz Luitpold von Bayern, Autobild 02/06)

Well gee. It can't beat a luxury convertible land-yacht SL55. What a great car. :
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Old 27-11-2006, 10:36 AM   #12
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Theres a bloke in the Croydon area with a blue one. Wouldn't say he values it much :P
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Old 27-11-2006, 04:09 PM   #13
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As for Japanese build quality, most European will tell you Toyota/Honda is more reliable. What European exceeds is engineering and design.

We should give other car cultures respect they deserve. New Supra, NSX, GTR are all due in next 2 years, and Lexus has a new performance series called F to take on AMG, M, and RS. I think 5.0 V8 IS-F and V10 LF-A will spice the things up a bit when they come out. RESPECT.
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Old 27-11-2006, 04:29 PM   #14
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This is the car he bought, picks it up today i believe, very clean with 35,000 klm.

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Old 27-11-2006, 04:34 PM   #15
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Wow a tasteful stock looking Skyline.

Amazing.
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This is the car he bought, picks it up today i believe, very clean with 35,000 klm.

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Very nice. And yeah, 180kW at the wheels is pretty normal for an R34 GT-R V-SpecII. They're generally in the 180-185 range.
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anyone like nissan pulsar ET's or exa's out there
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Nurburgring comes down to the driver more aften than not. Its virtually impossible to have a perfect lap, actually ill be happy to say its impossible to post a perfect lap there.
Even the experts agree. Not only that, the track always has cars on it, so you've always got spend time overtaking slower cars. Also after one or two laps the tyres would be destroyed in a road car, so consistant times could never be achieved without racing slicks.

30secs would be easy to find or loose around there depending on what temperature it was or how many cars are out with you. Look at the Top gear episode where Jeremy drives a Diesel Jag around there. He shaves off minutes of his initial lap. Not everyone has that luxury of spending all day there.

It certianly not the great perfect benchmark that some people think it is.

I posted a vid quite clearly showing it was faster around a particular track than a GT3 or R34 GTR. All you can say that its biased, without any evidence. Biased towards AWD cars? The NSX is RWD.
I also posted another source quite clearly showing it was as fast as a 355 in a straight line, contrary to what you said earlier. Obviously forgot to post that you dismissed it or believed it was biased.
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Nurburgring comes down to the driver more aften than not. Its virtually impossible to have a perfect lap, actually ill be happy to say its impossible to post a perfect lap there.
Even the experts agree. Not only that, the track always has cars on it, so you've always got spend time overtaking slower cars. Also after one or two laps the tyres would be destroyed in a road car, so consistant times could never be achieved without racing slicks.

30secs would be easy to find or loose around there depending on what temperature it was or how many cars are out with you. Look at the Top gear episode where Jeremy drives a Diesel Jag around there. He shaves off minutes of his initial lap. Not everyone has that luxury of spending all day there.

It certianly not the great perfect benchmark that some people think it is.

I posted a vid quite clearly showing it was faster around a particular track than a GT3 or R34 GTR. All you can say that its biased, without any evidence. Biased towards AWD cars? The NSX is RWD.
I also posted another source quite clearly showing it was as fast as a 355 in a straight line, contrary to what you said earlier. Obviously forgot to post that you dismissed it or believed it was biased.
Best Motoring are very biased. Especially towards Japanese cars when they compare them towards anything else. Just watch some of their videos.

I saw the 13.17 @ 108 1/4 post in the NSX and didn't comment because I didn't feel the need. Though I will comment on your reasoning that 108mph is good for a 12. It may be, but that doesn't mean the NSX will hit a 12. Supercars usually trap at high MPH, often due to the high amounts of power they have, however due to other constraints, like chassis and suspension, they will never run the times they trap enough speed for. Why? Because they're set up for balance. Good handling, acceleration, top speed etc. The Porsche Carrera GT runs low 11's and traps at 130-135mph. Enough for a high 9. Don't expect to ever run a high 9 in one, but then take it to a track and see what it can do.

And yes, it is very difficult to compare by Nurburgring times, I agree totally. I just thought those numbers were pretty ammusing. Especially the 8:06 SL55 vs 8:09 NSX-R.

One thing though, the Clarkson video was done without at a normal open public track day. Alot of those times I posted were done on closed-off from the public days. Like Walter Roherl in the Porsches. He is the Porsche factory est driver and they test there. They close the track off for them, he needs to overtake no traffic. If I'm not mistaken, when the Radical SR8 set the 6:55.6 outright lap record for a street car there, it was on a closed to the public day also. They're alot more comparable then you say, however as a general guide, not for utmost accuracy.

Anyway, point is, NSX = very very overrated, underperforming, overpriced. It was fast when it was released. And then got beaten by everyone. Which is usually what happens when you don't update a car for almost 15 years and still charge outrageous prices for it (250k for an NSX brand new in 2002 was a joke, a faster, better 911 GT3 was 240k).
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BTW Best Motoring is no more biased towards Jap cars as Euro mags are to Euro cars, US mags are to US cars, etc etc
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BTW Best Motoring is no more biased towards Jap cars as Euro mags are to Euro cars, US mags are to US cars, etc etc
You'll find US Mags are very biased towards Euro cars, constantly awarding them wins over their US counterparts. Just read some Car & Driver, Motortrend and Road & Track 911 Turbo, Ferrari F430, Lamborghini Gallardo vs C6 Z06, Ford GT and Viper SRT-10 reviews for yourself.
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What’s the problem Steffo? Why deny the NSX as being a great car? Stop doing your best to put it down. Why not focus on what the NSX did achieve and how it impacted on the supercar world. Go back and read my last post. If the NSX is not your idea of a supercar, leave it alone.
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What’s the problem Steffo? Why deny the NSX as being a great car? Stop doing your best to put it down. Why not focus on what the NSX did achieve and how it impacted on the supercar world. Go back and read my last post. If the NSX is not your idea of a supercar, leave it alone.
The NSX was a good car when it first came out almost 20 years ago. Not the best, but very good. Except it didn't change and everything else did. And therefore its inferiority to more modern opposition becomes unavoidable.
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Have Top gear got the GTR and NSX on their times board, i wonder how the Stig would go driving them ?
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Have Top gear got the GTR and NSX on their times board, i wonder how the Stig would go driving them ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps.shtml

They have the NSX Type-R. Which did 1:31.6 on their board.

1.2 seconds slower then a Volkswagen Golf R32.

Porsche 911 Carrera S in a Very Wet according to them lap did 1:28.9.

The Monaro VXR (aka HSV GTO) did 1:30.1.

NSX didn't do too well.

And no, there's no Skyline.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps.shtml

They have the NSX Type-R. Which did 1:31.6 on their board.

1.2 seconds slower then a Volkswagen Golf R32.

Porsche 911 Carrera S in a Very Wet according to them lap did 1:28.9.

The Monaro VXR (aka HSV GTO) did 1:30.1.

NSX didn't do too well.

And no, there's no Skyline.
The NSX-R was driven by old Stig (who appears to be slower then new Stig), and it was pouring rain.
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The NSX-R was driven by old Stig (who appears to be slower then new Stig), and it was pouring rain.
Alot of them are done in the rain, and lots of varying weather conditions. That's why I say TG Powerlaps aren't the most accurate source of information. However, I do find it ammusing that the NSX-R got embarassed even on their list too. Beaten by a small-medium hatchback with a V6 engine in it, that makes less power too.
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Alot of them are done in the rain, and lots of varying weather conditions. That's why I say TG Powerlaps aren't the most accurate source of information. However, I do find it ammusing that the NSX-R got embarassed even on their list too. Beaten by a small-medium hatchback with a V6 engine in it, that makes less power too.
I think your talking about the latest R32. The first R32 did a 1:33.2 in the dry, more importantly, with old Stig behind the wheel. You should also note that the NSX matched the time of Noble M12 and was quicker then a Ferrari 575 and Aston Martin Vanquish, all of which were driven in the wet and driven by old Stig. The track times between the old and the new Stig are significant.
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I think your talking about the latest R32. The first R32 did a 1:33.0 in the dry, more importantly, with old Stig behind the wheel. You should also note that the NSX matched the time of Noble M12 and was quicker then a Ferrari 575 and Aston Martin Vanquish, all of which were driven in the wet and driven by old Stig. The track times between the old and the new Stig are significant.
Which shows just how bad Top Gear times are. There's no way that the Noble M12, Ferrari F575M or Aston Martin Vanquish are going to be beaten head to head on any track by a 184kW Golf or a 300kW Monaro. Yet on TG's Powerlaps they were. Hmm.
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