Prelim March 2013 sales figures

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Brazen

I think they will focus on moving Zeta upmarket with high content. Even now they have already basically sold out of current SS Commodore and Calais before the VF comes out and they are 7 year old designs. They can continue taretting higher margin models and know that if volume becomes a concern they can churn out some more cheapies cop cars for the US market.

The only cars still being made are SV6 and SV6 Sportwagon, everything else is finished, VF production starts in two weeks time.

Holden cannot afford to cut out Omega, that would mean another drop in production, it affects viability.

[Bossxr8]

I would be staggered if Holden didn't have to increase VF prices by a fair margin. They are trying to position it as premium vehicle, and with all the extra equipment and the amount of money they have spent on it it will require it to be priced accordingly you'd have to think.

But i'm sure once the first few months of production have sold numbers will continue to drop. The large car ship has sailed.

[BHDOGS]

i heard it was going to be priced 500 dollars less then what the ve was will see how accurate my sources are

[Smoke Pursuit]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

i heard it was going to be priced 500 dollars less then what the ve was will see how accurate my sources are

I heard $500 more across most models.

[BHDOGS]

one or the other haha bad memory

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by DASH GT

I heard $500 more across most models.

That would be on Recommended Retail Prices.
Remembering that all heavy discounts stop with the introduction of the new VF,
Holden is trying to dry up as much old VE stock as possible to avoid people buying run outs in the first few months.


This is going to get interesting, I have a feeling that Holden is underestimating the "Sticker shock" effect.....
Buyers now only want new big cars if they are heavily discounted, it's almost expected.. and that's not a good sign.

[Brazen]

Originally Posted by jpd80

That would be on Recommended Retail Prices.
Remembering that all heavy discounts stop with the introduction of the new VF,
Holden is trying to dry up as much old VE stock as possible to avoid people buying run outs in the first few months.


This is going to get interesting, I have a feeling that Holden is underestimating the "Sticker shock" effect.....
Buyers now only want new big cars if they are heavily discounted, it's almost expected.. and that's not a good sign.

I wonder if that is deliberate, the base omega has everything park assist, lane assist, blind spot warning, rear cross traffic warning, proximity key, Internet radio etc etc.

Maybe they are happy to move it away from the lower end of pricing . the introduction of Malibu coupled with the realignment of Captiva 7 (29,990 with diesel) suggest that the imports will take on the budget role.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Brazen

I wonder if that is deliberate, the base omega has everything park assist, lane assist, blind spot warning, rear cross traffic warning, proximity key, Internet radio etc etc.

Maybe they are happy to move it away from the lower end of pricing . the introduction of Malibu coupled with the realignment of Captiva 7 (29,990 with diesel) suggest that the imports will take on the budget role.

Only if Holden is prepared to give up more local production and sales.
Omega will be back but I think the Berlina goes away...

[prydey]

nearly every reputable car manufacturer in the world has a large car in their line up. the way some people carry on its as if large cars are almost obsolete. like they don't even exist at all!!

the fact is, they do still exist, but the market is much smaller. those who live in a dreamworld, or in the past, expect markets to stay the same and cars in those markets to continue selling as they always have done.

the large car market in australia seems to be a bit more stagnant than many other parts of the world. the reasons why would be a whole new topic on its own (probably devoid of facts). in australia, you don't see too many large cars from any manufacturer. mercedes and bmw (e series/5 series) are probably among the more common. the aussie 3 are obvious, a handful of 300c's, the odd korean (i45/octavia) etc etc.

this doesn't stop the cars being made and offered here. its all about the cost to manufacturer here (which we all know) so even if (and its all speculation) ford decided to manufacture their large car for the aussie market offshore, it would still be offered here for sale, that you can guarantee. does it automatically mean they will shut up shop here?? no it doesn't. as we see with toyota, it can still be done, esp if the bulk of the cost is spread around the globe.

the doom and gloom in these threads every month is rather amusing, and has been going on now for a number of years (and yet falcon is still here). all the experts offer their opinion on why the car isn't selling and normally each month its a different reason. no one can point to any manufacturer that is actually selling a lot of large cars though!! thats the point that is missed every month. it has less to do about the product and more about the market.

once upon a time, if you had 2 or more kids, you pretty much needed a large car (or wanted one). the other options just weren't there. suv's didn't exist and 4wd were very agricultural.

cars have also grown (another common topic) in appearance. go park your FG falcon next to the LWB models of yesteryear (you know, the ones that no one was buying!) and you'll find the size is remarkably similar. yes, i'm aware that on paper the dimensions might tell a different story, but forget that. just look at the physical comparison. go park an eb/ed/ef falcon next to a corolla!! you'll be surprised at how big a corolla is these days. another example of how cars have grown is the mazda 6. compare a new mazda6 with the original mazda6. the original one would just about fit inside the new one!!

the size of the cars people are buying hasn't really changed massively. yes they are downsizing but not by as much as what the categories make it seem. once upon a time you had to get a large car to get all the extra features as well. now, all cars are similarly equipped so the benefits of a larger car are fewer than before.


on a slightly different topic, i think the ancap ratings are misleading and almost requires the intervention of accc (i said almost). not many people realise that size and mass still play a part. a 5 star fiesta will still fare a lot worse than a 5 star falcon. star ratings are only applicable across the same category of vehicles. i mention this to people who crow about their safe small car and its a shock '.... but its 5 stars!!...'

anyway, thats enough of a rant for me. off to have my medication.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Brazen

I wonder if that is deliberate, the base omega has everything park assist, lane assist, blind spot warning, rear cross traffic warning, proximity key, Internet radio etc etc.

Maybe they are happy to move it away from the lower end of pricing . the introduction of Malibu coupled with the realignment of Captiva 7 (29,990 with diesel) suggest that the imports will take on the budget role.

this would equally apply to ford, but does every manufacturing plant around the world have to be viable on its own, or would the parent company be prepared to carry the operation if it is selling a large percentage of imports??

moving the commodore (or falcon) into a more niche role is all well and good, but if the business plan is based on volume (that everyone keep saying is critical) surely this would mean running the plant at a loss??

obviously dependant on many factors. if the average price of commodore sales rose by $500 - $2000, but volume continued at around 1500-2000/month, would it work. obviously only insiders would know the true answer, but to me it suggests that there are still a few options if parent companies want to keep a presence in australia.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by prydey

this would equally apply to ford, but does every manufacturing plant around the world have to be viable on its own, or would the parent company be prepared to carry the operation if it is selling a large percentage of imports??

moving the commodore (or falcon) into a more niche role is all well and good, but if the business plan is based on volume (that everyone keep saying is critical) surely this would mean running the plant at a loss??

It depends if a division was making a physical loss or accruing non cash losses from write downs.
I have a feeling that a lot of Ford's recent "losses" in Australia have come from clearing the books
of assets that will no longer be claimed because production is no longer dependent on them.

I can guarantee you this, if Broadmeadows wasn't making money, then Ford would have closed it down years ago.
Sales may be low but production costs are now very lean, tough times but I think Falcon-Territory double act
is more robust than Commodore-Cruze production, especially if fuel prices start rising again..

[csv8]

If North Korea attacks South Korea..no more Daewoo's, Hyundai's, Kia's and Ssangyong"s !!!!
Lets hope it doesn't come to that.....

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by csv8

If North Korea attacks South Korea..no more Daewoo's, ...and Ssangyong"s !!!!
Lets hope it doesn't come to that.....

I fail to see the problem here.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

I fail to see the problem here.

I agree Daewoo is shocking. Kia and Hyundai are an exception. they have really improved over the last ten years

[csv8]

I was being facetious !!! no more Korean cars...more sales for Ford !!!!!!!!

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by csv8

I was being facetious !!! no more Korean cars...more sales for Ford !!!!!!!!

true people might buy the better fiesta over the barina!!!

[stevz]

Originally Posted by wildrider

I agree Daewoo is shocking.

Daewoo hasn't existed for years now. Why can't people comprehend this?

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by stevz

Daewoo hasn't existed for years now. Why can't people comprehend this?

and why cant you comprehend daweoo still exist??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Korea

[Bossxr8]

The name may have changed but its still Daewoo whichever way you spin it.

[stevz]

Originally Posted by wildrider

and why cant you comprehend daweoo still exist??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Korea

Well correct me if I'm wrong, but that says 'GM Korea' not 'Daewoo'.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by stevz

Well correct me if I'm wrong, but that says 'GM Korea' not 'Daewoo'.

that's what Daewoo became. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daewoo

this link here will explain it better. but yeah you can still buy a Daewoo. its just usally badged as a holden or something in the GM empire

[Franco Cozzo]

Daewoo does make a quality product:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVx3BAA2YCo

[stevz]

Originally Posted by wildrider

that's what Daewoo became. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daewoo

this link here will explain it better. but yeah you can still buy a Daewoo. its just usally badged as a holden or something in the GM empire

So if it ceased to be Daweoo and became GM Korea, then how can it still be Daewoo?
In the present tense it is no longer Daewoo, it can't get any simpler than that.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by stevz

So if it ceased to be Daweoo and became GM Korea, then how can it still be Daewoo?
In the present tense it is no longer Daewoo, it can't get any simpler than that.

your just spinning words. GM brought Daewoo and became GM Daewoo then became GM Korea. Holden was brought buy General motors and it was called (and still is General Motors Holden ltd) does anyone call the Holden Commodore the General Motors Holden Commodore?? Daweoo is still Daweoo. just a name change. maybe you should go and argue with ford for buying out FPV and keeping the FPV name for its performance vehicles??

[stevz]

Originally Posted by wildrider

your just spinning words. GM brought Daewoo and became GM Daewoo then became GM Korea. Holden was brought buy General motors and it was called (and still is General Motors Holden ltd) does anyone call the Holden Commodore the General Motors Holden Commodore?? Daweoo is still Daweoo. just a name change. maybe you should go and argue with ford for buying out FPV and keeping the FPV name for its performance vehicles??

I'm not spinning words, I'm just telling it as it is. The Daewoo name is defunct and does not exist anymore, plain and simple.
Using your logic, I suppose someone who bought a new GT bought a Tickford, not an FPV?

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by stevz

I'm not spinning words, I'm just telling it as it is. The Daewoo name is defunct and does not exist anymore, plain and simple.
Using your logic, I suppose someone who bought a new GT bought a Tickford, not an FPV?

Daewoo name still exist. did you ever stop too think they made other stuff besides cars?? you've just contradicted yourself with your come back.

[stevz]

Originally Posted by wildrider

Daewoo name still exist. did you ever stop too think they made other stuff besides cars?? you've just contradicted yourself with your come back.

They are seperate divisions which are unrelated to Daewoo Motors. Totally irrelevant to this discussion.

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by stevz

They are seperate divisions which are unrelated to Daewoo Motors. Totally irrelevant to this discussion.

whoa whoa wait a second. you said the name doesn't exist anymore? you said that with in this argument. you brought that up

[Silver Ghia]

Just to break up this pointless argument:

Originally Posted by csv8

I was being facetious !!! no more Korean cars...more sales for Ford !!!!!!!!

I know the FG bootlocks are made in Korea, I just wonder how much Ford Australia is relying on Korean parts supporting local production?

[Brazen]

Just wondering, any rumours of any new locally made variants this year. Just curious if there will be any new releases like XR8, Territory Sports/RTV etc?