XT Falcon with "boss 230"

[Jack91]

Anyone seen this or own one? Basically it's just a stock XT, with the 5.4L engine, and they've toned the kw power down but torque is still the same as the XR8. It costs the exact same price as the xr8, so who would buy a stock, ugly, XT falcon with a 5.4 making 230kw, when they can get the hot xr8 which makes 260 for the same price? I emailed redbook.com.au and they reckon that it's been on fords price list for years.

[Smoke Pursuit]

Its not the same motor, and its been around since the BF first came out..

[Jack91]

Well why don't they advertise it at all, it's not even on their website.

[sleekism]

I don't know about "BOSS 230". I thought it was called the "Barra 230"-the 3 Valve SOHC V8 known as the "Exporer" in America.

Unless a dealer had done one up??

[Green X]

Yes it's not a Quad cam V8 it's a SOHC 3 valve V8, same engine used in the F150.

It also makes less toque than the "Boss 260"

They do have the same displacement.

[Justin@]

havnt you always been able to get a base model falcon with the v8 in it?

[Rob]

Originally Posted by 93_eb_fairmont

Anyone seen this or own one? Basically it's just a stock XT, with the 5.4L engine, and they've toned the kw power down but torque is still the same as the XR8. It costs the exact same price as the xr8, so who would buy a stock, ugly, XT falcon with a 5.4 making 230kw, when they can get the hot xr8 which makes 260 for the same price? I emailed redbook.com.au and they reckon that it's been on fords price list for years.

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[FlipXW]

Originally Posted by BLC

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Agreed .

[nommic]

It'll be the Barra 220 (for BA) and Barra 230 from BF onwards. It's the 5.4L 3-valve engine.

From Redbook:
Engine Size 5408cc (5.4)
No. Cylinders 8
Engine Configuration V60
Cam Overhead Cam
Valves/Cylinder 3

[Casablanca]

lol ^^^

[Powdered Toast Man]

See my signature.

And they weren't/aren't the same price an an XR8. Its about a $4000 or $5000 option or something. So 37000 + 5000 does not make an XR8.

[broken_suave]

I really hope you're just trying to get a rise out of people...

..yeah.. just, yeah... *shakes head*

[Powdered Toast Man]

Originally Posted by Green X

Yes it's not a Quad cam V8 it's a SOHC 3 valve V8, same engine used in the F150.

It also makes less toque than the "Boss 260"

They do have the same displacement.

Actually the Barra 230 makes 500Nm, same as the Boss 260. And makes it lower in th rev range. The 220kw version made 470Nm

[5.4 GT]

Originally Posted by Green X

Yes it's not a Quad cam V8 it's a SOHC 3 valve V8, same engine used in the F150.

It also makes less toque than the "Boss 260"

They do have the same displacement.

Actually the 230 SOHC 3V makes 500nm just like the XR8 except lower in the rev range...

*Haha Powdered Toast Man beat me to the punch...*

[5.4 GT]

Originally Posted by 93_eb_fairmont

Well why don't they advertise it at all, it's not even on their website.

It wouldn't be on the Ford Website anymore as the 3V V8 has been discontinued (not many people bothered getting it so they dropped it).

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by DaveO_SP

It wouldn't be on the Ford Website anymore as the 3V V8 has been discontinued (not many people bothered getting it so they dropped it).

i thought the factory shut down, that was the reason why you can buy one any more.

[3vXT]

I was wondering what was wrong with my XT, now i know... it's ugly :togo:

[Powdered Toast Man]

Originally Posted by davway

i thought the factory shut down, that was the reason why you can buy one any more.

Yeah, it did. Ford AU stockpiled enough to last until Orion.

They were a slow seller. I think Ford was selling a massive 10 a month, and that was before the Fairlane was canned.

[Kryton]

Originally Posted by Powdered Toast Man

Yeah, it did. Ford AU stockpiled enough to last until Orion.

They were a slow seller. I think Ford was selling a massive 10 a month, and that was before the Fairlane was canned.

and there were probably only 10 people a month that knew you could buy the V8 in an XT as well.

[sleekism]

Originally Posted by nommic

It'll be the Barra 220 (for BA) and Barra 230 from BF onwards. It's the 5.4L 3-valve engine.

From Redbook:
Engine Size 5408cc (5.4)
No. Cylinders 8
Engine Configuration V60
Cam Overhead Cam
Valves/Cylinder 3

V60???

What so the Barra230 is a 60 degree Vee??

Geez shows how much I know. I assumed all V8's were 90 degrees bar the Yamaha V8 which was based on a Duratec V6 anyway.

What's the firing order??

[Powdered Toast Man]

Just having a look at the Ford site, the 3V isn't an engine option anymore, yet they have still left in little details like the 6spd auto being standard on the 3V and the 3V having the performance brakes lol.

[sbutler]

Originally Posted by DaveO_SP

Actually the 230 SOHC 3V makes 500nm just like the XR8 except lower in the rev range...

*Haha Powdered Toast Man beat me to the punch...*

Me too!!!!

I dont know were some of this c rap comes from


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Originally Posted by 93_eb_fairmont

It wouldn't be on the Ford Website anymore as the 3V V8 has been discontinued (not many people bothered getting it so they dropped it).

There was a couple of reson's the dropped the 3V they have dropped the LTD which was standard with the 3V,& most Fairlanes had 3Vs & the Orion will only use the engine's thay have now in the series 1. After that there will be new V6 & V8 engines accross the board..

[Jack91]

Originally Posted by Powdered Toast Man

See my signature.

And they weren't/aren't the same price an an XR8. Its about a $4000 or $5000 option or something. So 37000 + 5000 does not make an XR8.

XR8 is $43,990, and according to redbook, the XT with a v8 is $42,990.

[DarkXr]

Originally Posted by 93_eb_fairmont

XR8 is $43,990, and according to redbook, the XT with a v8 is $42,990.

Mate, get back in your box and stop starting stupid *** threads.

[T3ts50]

Originally Posted by 93_eb_fairmont

XR8 is $43,990, and according to redbook, the XT with a v8 is $42,990.

XR8 had a big price drop to stay competitive with the SS commodores. They use to be $50k-$52k IIRC prior to BF2

[Powdered Toast Man]

Originally Posted by 93_eb_fairmont

XR8 is $43,990, and according to redbook, the XT with a v8 is $42,990.

Mate, compare non runout prices. The price of the XR8 has dropped and the standard features list has gone up since the 3V was available.

T3ts50 just beat me to the punch :

[Bent8]

Originally Posted by Powdered Toast Man

Actually the Barra 230 makes 500Nm, same as the Boss 260. And makes it lower in th rev range. The 220kw version made 470Nm

Yep just goes to show how much torque potential the 3valve has.

One thing which has really puzzled me is the first 3valve's made 220kW@4750rpm and the newer "Barra 230" made 230kW@5350rpm, which is 100rpm higher than the XR8's peak power of 260kW@5250rpm.

Very strange if you ask me....

[Green X]

Originally Posted by Powdered Toast Man

Actually the Barra 230 makes 500Nm, same as the Boss 260. And makes it lower in th rev range. The 220kw version made 470Nm

So it does, must have been thinking off the 220kw version.

[Powdered Toast Man]

Originally Posted by Bent8

Yep just goes to show how much torque potential the 3valve has.

One thing which has really puzzled me is the first 3valve's made 220kW@4750rpm and the newer "Barra 230" made 230kW@5350rpm, which is 100rpm higher than the XR8's peak power of 260kW@5250rpm.

Very strange if you ask me....

Mine rarely reaches 4000rpm let alone 4750 lol. Really have to be driving the wheels of it for that unless it's a manual.

I think part of the upgrade to the Barra 230 was dual knock sensors, so maybe it always had that much in it just that Ford didn't want to push the tune on the 220 to be safe.

[sbutler]

Originally Posted by Bent8

Yep just goes to show how much torque potential the 3valve has.

One thing which has really puzzled me is the first 3valve's made 220kW@4750rpm and the newer "Barra 230" made 230kW@5350rpm, which is 100rpm higher than the XR8's peak power of 260kW@5250rpm.

Very strange if you ask me....

That cant be right the 220/230 engine is rev limited to 5200rpm!! Someone has there wire's crossed. :togo:


I think the later 230 kw engines had a better exhaust [i could be wrong though] & thats were the better power came from..Plus the knock sensors were altered..

The exhaust is the bigest killer on the 220/230 motor. Then its the 5200rpm rev limit/tune. Fix those two items alone & you'll gain over 30kw & the huge torque the 3V make's gets even better!!