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I just don't see how a GPS unit which would be most likely the most accurate device when it comes to measuring speed can be out and that the governments speed camera's are 100% correct to an exact measure of .000001%! and then they just blame everyone and everything else and say "no we are 100% correct, you're all wrong"
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This is a problem with the government's over-reliance of "safety" cameras... if (when?) they do start failing, how is the motorist supposed to prove it? The system is stacked against the motorist - they can't allow even one camera to become suspect, because then ALL cameras are suspect.
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I have called the traffic camera office. Their word was that GPS and speed alert's in vehicles cannot be used as speed measuring devices at all as they are not accurate. They also said they would not be withdrawing any of the fines from Eastlink because they are sure the cameras aren't faulty.
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Any government body that budgets to get $Xmillion in speeding fines is revenue raising i don't care what anyone says, ill trust my GPS and Speed alert and cruise control before i ever let some money snatcher tell me im speeding.
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As I said above... they can't afford to let any suspicion fall on any camera/lidar/radar device, because then all devices will be suspect. How many millions of dollars in lost revenue did the Vic government have to wear because they were forced to admit their cameras were unreliable and subsequently switched them off? |
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As I said before, do a distance - time check yourself.
Not even a court of law can rule against proven mathematics. Though with the GPS, there is levels of GPS measurements. I think the car ones are only legible around 10-20 metres. But commerical grade GPS (surveyor's GPS unit) are within a tolerance of under 50mm (approx). That's why the car units are probably not admissible in court. |
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It use to be but then GPS should read within 1-2m. As for the speed calc on these things it would depend on the programminig. But used one of them against my speedo and was 1km out (lower) by using the trip computer. Seemed to have worked up till now.
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http://www.trafficlaw.com.au/speedos.html
http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/files/ADR%201803.pdf http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/0/F3E9920BE1FC56A5CA257257001E1849/$file/ADR1800comp1FINALFRLI.pdf rule 18.5.1.1.2 "Indicate the actual speed of the vehicle for all speeds above 40km/h to an accuracy of + or - 10 %" rule 18.5.2.1.2 "indicate the distance travelled by the vehicle to an accuracy of + or - 4%" read and weep people we are getting shafted by govt who set the tolerance for speeding lower then the actual design rule permits for speedo inaccuracy from the factory Surely this must be illegal? |
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My thoughts exaclty.
If I had the cash I would take my next speeding fine to court on this basis just to "test the water". As for this "eastlink", I don't know where it is, but is their a "back road" or alternative way to reach your destination besides using this piece of road? If so, I'd be taking the back road each and every time! |
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Yeh its this giant freeway that was supposed to be free till the government everyone up the *** and said ah no sorry, tolls but we'll put a load of cameras on it too! there are ways around it but the time saved is actually really good, because no one uses it because its a rip off and is camera infested and they are most likely highly defective.
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I'd make the point that the toll can cost about $4.50 for cars and about $13.50 for trucks one way.
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its still a rip off considering it was meant to be free though.
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An interesting read: http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content...ument_ID=18289
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"Some members of the public have also queried the percentage of ‘low-level’ speeding fines (below 10km/h over the posted limit) and the number of infringements issued at particular speeds. Victoria Police and the Department of Justice have reviewed the figures for Eastlink and detection figures for ‘low level’ speeds are in line with other roadway sites such as Geelong Road and Citylink (see graph for further details). There is also no overrepresentation in the Wellington Road figures compared to the other Eastlink roadway sites or for any detections at particular speeds eg. 108km/h."
Funny how they point out 108km/h... as for the gps being legible upto so many meters, if i set my cars cruise to the gps' 100km/h or just under doesn't that mean i am then accurate after those x amount of meters??? |
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Wouldn't trust any speed camera.
Western Ring Road? Even though Police love to say this was "so long ago". The point is that the Government and Police themselves said the public were wrong and the cameras were "working correctly and in line with bla bla". Usual spin rubbish. The amount of infringements from the Wellington Road bridge and the detected speeds raises concern. Should check out some of the other info on Cameras Cut Crashes.
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Ok, got a silly thing to ask... Why is it, the Welly road camera is the issue? And not the Greens Road one???
I still say that both cameras are set at the same speed. As I have never had an issue (speeding fine) doing an actual 100k's on the money (speedo says 107k's). The key issue, is that everyone is actually over the tolerance whatever it maybe. Unfortunately they have felt the wrath of a fine. Though what's interesting, on my previous post (with the link attached), the OP never responded if he was in the right?? So me thinks that he was actually speeding and not wanting to own up to it. |
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interesting.... wheres the independant report done by the people who calibrate speed cameras to justify it? or is it not "in the public interest"? |
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haha yeah deffinately dont do 150 on this road lol. a guy i know got done by the speed cameras on eastlink. they are active lol
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