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20-05-2009, 08:27 AM | #1 | |||
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20-05-2009, 08:47 AM | #2 | |||
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20-05-2009, 09:23 AM | #3 | |||
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20-05-2009, 04:14 PM | #5 | |||
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20-05-2009, 04:32 PM | #6 | |||
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On top of that the article re-inforces, Ford the only auto-maker not to take a bailout!
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20-05-2009, 04:34 PM | #7 | |||
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20-05-2009, 09:35 PM | #8 | ||
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pretty high standards to aim for Vztrt....... looks almost impossible to reach with a standard medium to large size engine, maybe we should be at changing the type of fuel instead of the engines? or adding water injection or something, .... hybrids :jab:.... down sizeing :jab: no thanks, i saw written somewhere that cars contribute very little c02 in total scheme of things and most comes from coal burning etc.
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20-05-2009, 10:36 PM | #9 | ||
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Enjoy those V8's and big turbo 6's while you can boys. Looks like they will be legislated out of existence within 10 years unless there is an alternative fuel found.
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20-05-2009, 11:26 PM | #10 | ||
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corporate average guys. There's no reason why they should kill off larger displacement engines.
The fact that they (Ford) are investing so heavily in the small capacity ecoboost engines with the aim of them being high volume sales (1.3 million engines by 2013), should see them gain CAFE credits and offsetting any CAFE penalties that might be incurred by the larger displacement engines, which will be of less volume. And all this without even considering the great economy they're getting from their new hybrid powertrains. We know that Wile. E is coming... we know it's of pretty decent power ;) I don't think Ford are investing in an all new V8 with the intention of it to last for 1 product cycle. |
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21-05-2009, 12:48 AM | #11 | |||
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21-05-2009, 12:50 AM | #12 | |||
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Yeah i thought if they do it like the US then it'll be the average. So release a hybrid and should bring the average down. If they were smart they would let the market kill higher displacement engines then legislate.
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21-05-2009, 01:56 AM | #13 | ||
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The automakers are on board because one of their biggest concerns was alleviated. California and about 13 other States were looking to impose their own emissions regulations which would have been a nightmare for the manufacturers to try to meet. It was even getting down to where some cities were looking to impose their own emissions standards. This battle has been going on in the court systems for over a year now.
With agreeing to move the 2020 deadline up to 2016 the States agreed to go with one national emission standard. Not only does this make it easy on the manufacturers to build for but now it also lets them know what they need to plan and work towards, and how to spend their money. This was a key issue. On the notion of V8 engines, I just watched a company video message with Barb Samardzich, VP of Powertrain Engineering, and she stated that there will always be a market for a V8 (speaking of the US). She said of course Mustang GT owners are going to want a V8, and they probably want a V8 EcoBoost (jokingly). She also said that a V8 would be a cost effective alternative for someone looking to get into a base F-150. She implied that the V8 would be cheaper than the EcoBoost V6. She assured that they know there is always going to be a demand for the V8 and that is why they sunk money into developing a new one. Steve
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21-05-2009, 03:30 PM | #14 | ||
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Thanks Steve.
Interesting that the comment re EcoBoost V8 was made in jest. TT, DI 5l V8 - Hell Yeah! |
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21-05-2009, 04:27 PM | #15 | |||
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How long would it be before the loonies and hippies backed down as their aging fleets wore out and they found that Priuses et all are really good provided you dont actually want to go anywhere.. |
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21-05-2009, 09:07 PM | #16 | |||
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I don't know what the new Prius is like, but Top Gear really ripped the current Prius for being a chinsy, cheap car as to it's construction. I thought it might be interesting to tell some of those States "Sorry, it will make our cars too expensive for your citizens to only build 2,000 cars across 7 different platforms with just your State's emissions controls." It would be the equivalent of the State making it not economically feasible for Ford to do business in their State and they would lose tax dollars, and the citizens would lose choice. imugli, Barb seems like the kind of person who would love to build a V8 EcoBoost engine! But they are not being built purely for the power, they are being built to replace engines that would traditionally need to be bigger to produce the same amount of power. Basically, I look for most all cars you would expect a V6 in to have the EcoBoost 4 cylinder engine, and 4 cylinder cars will have even smaller 4 cylinder EcoBoost engines. V8 applications will have the V6 EcoBoost engine. By the way, at some Mustang boards I go to the people were complaining that the EB V6 will not have the roar of the V8 and they would miss that. Well, I saw a video of a test drive of the Taurus SHO with the 365 HP EB V6 and I promise, no one will "miss" the roar of a V8. Ford covered that!! Ironically, the person that bought the first Fusion Hybrid was a medical student in California!! Steve
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I read that if they made a series-hybrid F150, they could get close to 100mpg. I believe it too. At least 70mpg, so 35mpg is very achievable in such a short amount of time. By 2016, we prob couldn't afford to run cars that get anything less anyway.
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22-05-2009, 01:22 AM | #18 | ||
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A few years ago I read about Ford working on a hydraulically assisted F-150 that was getting 60 mpg. A year or two ago a company here called Eaton came out with their own version of this system and got a contract with UPS to provide a number of vehicles with this system. I haven't heard anything since.
Sure would be a surprise if Ford came out next year with one of these F-150's getting this kind of mileage! Steve
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22-05-2009, 12:57 PM | #19 | ||
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There are massive gains to come. The manufacturer's have just been holding out maximising their returns from cheap technology.
Now that there is a true shift away from OIL reliance, you will see electric/hybrid technologies helping to unleash the full potential of energy that is currently wasted. According to research (creators of the hyper car), only 0.3% of the fuel energy is used to move the car 'itself'. Weight is one of the biggest contributors to inefficiencies. There have been some massive breakthrough's in the manufacturing processes and costs of carbon fibre. It's quite possible that the automotive world will be moving to CF for more conventional applications, which up until now, has not been suitable for many reasons, mainly cost and crash safety. |
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23-05-2009, 02:00 AM | #20 | |||
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Seems that we may get the same rubbish here
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23-05-2009, 09:56 AM | #21 | |||
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But I would consider things like piston friction, energy turning in to heat, generating energy to cool the heat it is producing, loss of energy turned to noise from engine, which then has to be muffled and converted to heat? How much energy is used just to push all 8 pistons? Why I think V8s use more fuel than a 6 cyl, when you're not driving fast. The tougher the engine, the heavier the components: connecting rods, crank shaft, torque convertor, gears, tailshaft, differential and axle. When these components are bigger and heavier, they last longer, but takes more energy to push them. The way to make them more efficient, is to have less, AND lighter weight moving parts. The way towards TOTAL EFFICIENCY is towards no moving parts. But that can't be done with an internal combustion engine. H2 Fuel Cell on the other hand..... 1 moving part in the electric motor, and probably no transmission, or have a DSG with about 3 speeds? |
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26-05-2009, 03:49 PM | #23 | |||
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Australia getting closer to getting its own CAFE laws.
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16-06-2009, 01:10 PM | #24 | |||
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Burela is against Australia getting CAFE type laws.
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16-06-2009, 01:17 PM | #25 | ||
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Burela knows that high standards will see the end to the I6, and possibly the Falcon. Let's hope the Legislators put jobs before some easy election votes.
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