Life After Death ???????

gtfpv · 29-12-2005, 01:29 AM

the death of Kerry Packer has got me thinking . due to the statement he made on TV after his 1st heart attack about there being no hell or heaven.
has anyone any stories to tell . anyone here came back from a flatline .??or know anyone who has .
the BIBLE REFFERS TO DEATH AS sleep until the day of judgement, therefore everyone who lived is in a state of sleep. so this could be a rather confusing topic.
THIS IS NOT A RELIGIOUS POST . anyone got a story to tell here. try not to spin BS PLEASE.

ScoopED · 29-12-2005, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

the death of Kerry Packer has got me thinking . due to the statement he made on TV after his 1st heart attack about there being no hell or heaven.
has anyone any stories to tell . anyone here came back from a flatline .??or know anyone who has .
the BIBLE REFFERS TO DEATH AS sleep until the day of judgement, therefore everyone who lived is in a state of sleep. so this could be a rather confusing topic.
THIS IS NOT A RELIGIOUS POST . anyone got a story to tell here. try not to spin BS PLEASE.

I have had my heart stop for a short second due to high voltage and high amperage electrocution, this was from a 1000V capacitor. I dont have a story to tell about it. However, it is my opinion that the reason Kerry Packer did not 'see' anything whilst his heart was stopped was the simple fact that....
You are only really dead if both your heart and brain stop functioning. The brain can survive for (i believe) several minutes without circulation of blood from the heart.
i.e. He wasnt dead, just....... not very well off

Mike

calais · 29-12-2005, 01:56 AM

Mate, my heart was stopped for three minutes during routine day surgery gone horribly wrong, I was only aware of it after the surgeons informed me after i came to. Basically due to the anaesthesia i dont know how it felt to be clinically dead at the exact time. but afterwards it kinda makes you think long and hard about what you are doing with your life.... thats for damned sure. I like to get to sleep at night telling myself that when i am gone for good, i am just that.

chrisl · 29-12-2005, 02:12 AM

There is only a chance in a billion that you won’t get any BS on this thread so let me be the first

There is no life after death. It is just the arrogance of humanity that allows us to think that there might be.

We die a billion deaths before we take our last breath. Hundreds of thousands of our cells die in our body each day but are replaced which is the only reason why we continue. Not unlike throwing another log in the fire. There is continuity but the fire at the start is not the fire at the end. There is no difference between the ends of our daily cell deaths and our final cell deaths other than the fact there is no cell replacement to create continuity.

Still not convinced? Let’s define life then. Do we define micro-organisms such as bacteria as being alive? If so then surely then they must also have an afterlife. Ahh, but you say it has no conscious. So we limit our definition to consciousness then? So since a cat is more conscious than a newborn baby, a cat goes to the afterlife whereas a baby misses out?

I could go on and on. There is no common sense that says that there is an afterlife, Just an arrogance and a hope driven by blind fear.

Sorry for the bad news

**Mechan1k** · 29-12-2005, 03:17 AM

ahhhh ... but a cat has 9 lives ... hee hee hee

Just guessing here ... but when your dead ... that's it ... eternal sleep ... nothing .... blackness ... gone.

Grechie · 29-12-2005, 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mechan1k

ahhhh ... but a cat has 9 lives ... hee hee hee

Just guessing here ... but when your dead ... that's it ... eternal sleep ... nothing .... blackness ... gone.

id have to agree on u there, i beilive that happens...unfortunalty:(

Rodp · 29-12-2005, 07:03 AM

I have a vague recollection of an explaination where the brain is pumped with a natural chemical (endorphins?) to overcome the trauma which creates a euphoric experience. Life flashing before your eyes, seeing the room while unconcious or walking towards the light...

**Stav** · 29-12-2005, 07:30 AM

I believe that as we deal with life each day as we live we must deal with death when we are dead. No point worrying until we get there. Especially when you ask yourself a question that..were we dead before we came here.?

Psycho Chicken · 29-12-2005, 07:33 AM

No one can answer that but the dead.

Casper · 29-12-2005, 08:32 AM

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I believe that as we deal with life each day as we live we must deal with death when we are dead. No point worrying until we get there. Especially when you ask yourself a question that..were we dead before we came here.?

Very good point Stav. I'll worry about it when I'm dead cause I really have no idea and dont have the time to spend working it out... too many things to do while I'm alive.

HOON69 · 29-12-2005, 08:45 AM

death what a subject!

honestly im more worried about whats for lunch today then when im gunna die

but i believe what the majority thinks,once your gone your just gone,and no i havent had flatline experience and dont want to till its my time to be gone from this place.

too much cruising to do.. ;)

cogdoc · 29-12-2005, 11:02 AM

The one thing that really interests me is if you weigh someone just before and straight after they die, there is no difference. So "life" and what "you" are is weightless and thus has no true physical aspect. How does something with no "form" actually disappear from the physical plane, when you can't see, extract, measure or quantify it in the first place?

Messes with my noggin!

AU1XLS · 29-12-2005, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cogdoc

The one thing that really interests me is if you weigh someone just before and straight after they die, there is no difference. So "life" and what "you" are is weightless and thus has no true physical aspect. How does something with no "form" actually disappear from the physical plane, when you can't see, extract, measure or quantify it in the first place?

Messes with my noggin!

You need help

calais · 29-12-2005, 11:35 AM

malakai..... good point.

merlin · 29-12-2005, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisl

There is no life after death. It is just the arrogance of humanity that allows us to think that there might be.

So your arrogance in thinking you are right when NO-ONE actually knows the correct answer is any different? Just because we don't understand it yet (maybe never will) dosn't mean anything is not possibe - is the earth flat? ect.

I'm not all that religous but I do believe in God and therefore I believe in a life after death. Sure it dosn't make any sense but thats why they call it faith I guess.

All I know for sure is that I was once in a position where I had to pray for something and it happened despite doctors saying it was impossible, so thats why I believe.

Deadman · 29-12-2005, 11:44 AM

I think Merlin makes a good point. There is an infinite amount that we simply can not and do not understand yet. The Universe and Life itself is simply to complex for us at the moment to try and explain it.

Many people might have thoughts on life after death - the truth is - as much as they want to try explain their views as facts, it doesn't hold any weight. In centuries from now, all that they believe to be true now might be proven as false and vice-versa... It's to complex for us. Don't get me wrong, I love that people discuss the topic - it's healthy to explore what we don't understand or comprehend

Anyway - back on track. I don't think anyone can really comment on life after death - you have to die first (an unfortunate draw-back). If you heart stops for a while, it doesn't mean you're dead.

Arh, really heavy topic... Back to watching the cricket

henry 351 · 29-12-2005, 12:01 PM

"There is no life after death. It is just the arrogance of humanity that allows us to think that there might be"

Interesting. So this religion caper is bollocks then?

I'm neither for of against, but until we cark it, none of us will never know for sure.

You imply a scientific explanation, that's cool. So, if life ends as clinically as you infer, I assume the universe does too. Please show us where...

csv8 · 29-12-2005, 12:32 PM

As a nurse, I see death on regular basis. The light at the end of the tunnel? Remembering your birth, ie the light is what you see when you are born, you remember your birth, as you die. Latest theory.
No one really knows or has come back. BUT
I had a patient who was resusitated and he described the resusitation in detail. When asked how, he said " I was standing near the near the window watching" makes you think...

Gammaboy · 29-12-2005, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by cogdoc

The one thing that really interests me is if you weigh someone just before and straight after they die, there is no difference. So "life" and what "you" are is weightless and thus has no true physical aspect. How does something with no "form" actually disappear from the physical plane, when you can't see, extract, measure or quantify it in the first place?

Messes with my noggin!

Ahhhh... but wasn't the whole deal with the movie "26 grams" that the soul weighed 26grams?

Walkinshaw · 29-12-2005, 12:56 PM

You're all going to rot in the ground. Get over it.

DanielXR8 · 29-12-2005, 01:10 PM

The only thing I know of that still has life after death is the Mitsubishi Sigma. No matter what you do, take parts out of the motor etc, the things keep going, regardless that they spent the last three years in a paddock or under a tarp.

They are evil I tell you. :evilsasmo

Daniel

Thunder · 29-12-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mechan1k

ahhhh ... but a cat has 9 lives ... hee hee hee

Just guessing here ... but when your dead ... that's it ... eternal sleep ... nothing .... blackness ... gone.

Oh that just too boring. What am i supposed to do in my eternal sleep? At least believing in the afterlife means you dont spend your living years wishing someones going to throw in a deck of cards or a scrabble board into your coffin to keep the boring eternal sleep away. :nutsycuck

Someone better throw in my 8 year collection of Street Machine magazine. That'll keep me occupied for at least ....um....8 years.

chrisl · 29-12-2005, 01:17 PM

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The one thing that really interests me is if you weigh someone just before and straight after they die, there is no difference. So "life" and what "you" are is weightless and thus has no true physical aspect. How does something with no "form" actually disappear from the physical plane, when you can't see, extract, measure or quantify it in the first place?

Weigh your car the moment before you turn your engine off. It weighs the same straight after. Does that mean that a running engine has no physical aspect?

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So your arrogance in thinking you are right when NO-ONE actually knows the correct answer is any different? Just because we don't understand it yet (maybe never will) dosn't mean anything is not possibe - is the earth flat? ect.

Merlin. Reading back my post I can see how it sounds like I think I “know” the answer so I apologize for that immediately. The truth is that of course I don’t know and although I don’t agree with you, I am in no way doubting your faith at all. However, as I see it, once you get into the argument that anything might be possible, then you’re on the slippery slope to nowhere. If you accept that argument then you must accept that it applies to everything equaly, even to argue against your own faith. There are some good arguments though that there is an afterlife, but that’s not it.

chrisl · 29-12-2005, 01:32 PM

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You imply a scientific explanation, that's cool. So, if life ends as clinically as you infer, I assume the universe does too. Please show us where...

The scientific answer lies in Einstein's theory of relativity and is not a mystery. In short it has to do with time and space not being a constant but too complex to go into here. But if you are curious enough, then there are many places where you can read up on it.

Hoops · 29-12-2005, 01:36 PM

This is one of the most Bullsh!%t threads i have seen on here :gren:
Why dont you all refer back to the first post and see what gtfpv was asking "has anyone any stories to tell . anyone here came back from a flatline .??or know anyone who has"

phoon · 29-12-2005, 01:36 PM

You give life after death, worms need to eat to you know. Other than that, there is nothing.

Electric · 29-12-2005, 01:57 PM

I know from my own experience, that there is more to life than some of you have indicated.

A few years ago just after my father in law died I drove down to the coast and took his car (a very nice XE s pack) for a drive to check it out before driving it back home to sell it, for my mother in law.

I drove out of town and along the highway then pulled into a side road to a farm gate. I turned around and listened to the car for an odd noise from the power steering. I checked for traffic and went to pull out into the 100 zone, and when I started to move out of the driveway …… it was like a hand reached down from under the dash and slapped my foot off the accelerator pedal.

I was all...What the! and looked down at my foot and then looked up just in time to see a family in there station wagon fly fast within cm's of the front of my car at about 100km/h.

I can still remember the disapproving frown on the face of the woman in the passengers seat as they flew past.

I had not seen the car, it was possibly obscured by the A pillar.

If my ‘guardian angel’ had not slapped my foot of the pedal I and possibly most of the occupants of that car would all be dead now.

I know someone or something more to life is out there, and that day they were looking after me… or perhaps looking after those other folk.

Thunder · 29-12-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisl

The scientific answer lies in Einstein's theory of relativity and is not a mystery. In short it has to do with time and space not being a constant but too complex to go into here. But if you are curious enough, then there are many places where you can read up on it.

How does that relate to the "golden" rule that was beaten into me like a drum in high school.....

....."matter and energy can not be lost. They can only change from one state to another".........

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I always found science an interesting subject, mainly cause of the way scientific theories are proven right, then wrong, then right again!

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svo347 · 29-12-2005, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodp

I have a vague recollection of an explaination where the brain is pumped with a natural chemical (endorphins?) to overcome the trauma which creates a euphoric experience. Life flashing before your eyes, seeing the room while unconcious or walking towards the light...

Agreed why else do u think they give you pure oxygen in a plane crash....

Des · 29-12-2005, 02:23 PM

Can I give you a yes or no answer? No.
But, I had an accident that should of ended my life, very nearly did, and something happened to me during the accident that's very, very hard to explain. If it hadn't of happened I either wouldn't be here or would be a quadruplegic. Very basically, I had an "out-of-body" experience during and after, a fall from a 30+ m cliff (approx. 18-24 m freefall). I have very vivid memories of watching myself fall and "telling" my self "This is the end. Sleep". I can still here my own voice. If i'd of kept struggling I would of broken most of the bones in my body.
I awoke mid bounce, stopped breathing, and blacked out again. I have very vivid memories of watching myself struggle for breath on the rocks as if I was lying face down from above myself. I shed a tear "at" myself, then awoke back in my body, very clear headed, knowing exactly what to do to check if I was okay and could still move. This accident was the start of the end to a "segment" of my life.
Scared the you-know-what's out of me at first, but I've learnt to live with it now.

Is there live after death? I don't know, but I definately know there is way more to life than what you can physically see.
This has left me a very changed man physically as well as mentally.

Later,
Gibbo. :voldar02: