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FF.Com.Au Hardcore
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And higher management make the decisions...
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Interesting thing with fly in fly out work, if the mine or plant closes down on Friday,
the plane and the workers doesn't need to come in on Monday....... |
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Speaking of perks, what does it cost Ford (and presumably Holden) to give eligible staff their 2 fully maintained cars???
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Things like massive work cover premiums can be avoided if you run a safe workplace, premiums increase when you have work cover claims, no work cover claims, no huge premium increase. Where it gets sad is when you have someone maimed or a death, and the company gets sued and has to pay out X amount of money to the family and pay fines, they view it as a "win" for them because it cost less than fixing the problem that caused the death or injury. |
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Thats why never take industry for granted, be alert & put your safety 1st, no matter how good the safety systems are, an element of risk always exists.
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It doesn't so much validate the pay as say the way we recruit and recognise people at the moment, means the wrong people are getting to the top of too many companies. |
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the reason things get put off is because the cash is not there at present - there would be precious few human beings that would allow others to get killed just to save money. unfortunately there are many who have been killed or maimed because the money was not there at the time, or because a higher priority was not placed on something, but to suggest that companies would be happy to kill or maim to save money is well . . . . . . asinine how many of these people complaining about the companies have ever driven on bald tyres because they could not afford new ones how many might have taken unnecessary risks on the road, because they could end up late for work and then get docked how many have had mechanical issues with their car that could have been disastrous if it broke at the wrong time, but kept driving because they didn't have the funds to fix it no one is innocent and many of those complaining about big business are just as evil as the people they are complaining about either way, theses people and big business have the exact same interest - themselves |
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It always amazes me how so many are experts in running business yet choose to not even run their own life. If you WERE running your own life you would not get your tax taken out each week to make sure you actually pay it, would have your own insurances to cover sickness or injury, would not need extra money to cover your lack of ability to save up for your holidays and would be responsible for your own training and quality of work. Go on, show us all just how bloody good you are and become a contractor who is prepared to be responsible for themselves instead of an employee who is not and just blames anyone else for everything. OR if you are not prepared to make your own decisions and wear the consequences of your actions then stop whinging when the ones who give you money to do things they way they want them done make them for you....... |
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What a big con by Holden "if you take a $200 pay decrease we could operate for another ten years" the only reason they want workers to take the cut, so when in a few years time when they shut up shop and offer redundancies of X amount of weeks pay per each year of service they save themselves like 20% per a person on the redundancies.
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Post of the millennium.
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And business is the only one that does this? How about the government shifting family payments off the tax system and through Centrelink instead? Then when they cut said payments, they're cutting excess welfare (much easier to sell) rather than increasing tax, even though it amounts to the same thing.
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Particularily in the return to work co-ordinator part of it, dealing with compo claims, its cheaper and easier to kill an employee than maim/seriously injure them. Quote:
It would be like slavery except you'd have to provide your own accommodation and food. All I hear from small business owners is its too hard, there are too many regulations, there shouldn't be a minimum wage, unions have too much power, I pay too many taxes, I shouldn't have to pay work cover premiums, I shouldn't have to provide 4 weeks annual leave, paid sick leave etc. Unions wouldn't exist and the occupational health and safety act wouldn't be so strong (Victorian OHS act 2004/regs 2007) if employers were all on the straight and narrow. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 18-06-2013 at 09:33 PM. |
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if you don't like it damo, start a business
do the 18 hour days with no breaks (paid or otherwise) only a minimum wage for the first few years and be a slave to your bosses - yes, business owners have bosses too; they are called clients basically your post just backed up what flappist was saying i have done both and i know which one is much easier |
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i got sick of employing ungrateful, greedy, lazy people who if they didn't like what life served up, they complained their butt off until their job had gone offshore your views are funny - you want top dollar for what you do, yet when it comes to buying stuff, you are proud to say you buy from overseas because it is cheaper . . . . presumably you want top dollar, but you don't want to pay it |
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I'm easily replaceable, but I haven't been replaced as of yet, not once received a warning even though I don't see eye to eye a lot of the time. I still show up to work 15-20 minutes early, I still leave 10 minutes late, I lend my personal tools to others to help out and I'm training a first year apprentice, when I could say GTFO and learn from someone else. The end of the day it is me who chooses to show up in the morning, and I can walk out if I want to, I'm not stuck at my workplace. I don't recall mentioning I wanted to be paid top dollar for what I do, but I do recall mentioning I've purchased stuff overseas (particularily tools because they are cheaper). Autobarn Sunbury is where I purchased $3500 worth of my tools, I buy stuff from Bunnings in Sunbury, Dewalt drill and impact driver, another tool box, Sidchrome tools from SCA Sunbury, the local hardware store has had a few hundred bucks out of me on random stuff here and there. I also buy from Transquip Tools in WA, $400 trolley jack and a $260 air drill. I support the locals as well as buy from overseas, Procharge Turbo's in Sunbury is doing some work for me and my local mechanic is getting work from me because I'm lazy and can't be bothered working on my 4 cars sometimes. What I don't like is employers trying to whittle down conditions slowly and the whole spiel about too much red tape, and it gets to me even more when management calls for the **** kickers at the bottom to take pay cuts rather than them when it was management who got the company into this situation in the first place. Money is the cause and answer to all problems unfortunately. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 18-06-2013 at 10:24 PM. |
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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