What don't the american's screw up?

ClevlndStemer · 28-05-2006, 06:44 PM

Now toyota's uber reliability is not so uber ;)

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniont...dd20teeth.html

MethodX · 28-05-2006, 08:22 PM

My this is great news.
if Ford and Gm were smart they be milking this news for all its worth.

Toyota also had a major sexual harrasment suit i heard in America.
not good for the squeeky clean evil empire

deesun · 28-05-2006, 09:07 PM

Start playing in the big boys territory you get big boys problems. As a smaller company they were able to keep the lid on quality problems but now is a different story.

Hally · 28-05-2006, 09:46 PM

Deesun, what are you going on about?? Toyota is the world's second largest producer of vehciles, has more cash in the bank than the other top 10 car makers combined and by the majority of people toyota cars would be rated as some of the best for reliability.

The reason Ford and GM won't make a song and dance about this that they have had, and I am sure they will have more problems in the furture than toyota ever will.

It seems some people just write on this forum to get post counts up, some of should think before you type.

UNR8D · 28-05-2006, 10:07 PM

who the cares its nothing we are getting out here, as a global player i dare say toyota is still one of the leading groups along side lexus with very high build quality and reliabilty that is respected amongst millions of customers world wide, even a study lately of 'what you trust' rated toyota to be in the top ten brand names you trust, not 1 other car manufacturer made that list... what does that tell you?

Steffo · 29-05-2006, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hally

has more cash in the bank than the other top 10 car makers combined

That is very, very far from the truth. If GM & Ford joined together, they could buy Toyota pretty easily.

Faker · 29-05-2006, 02:05 AM

Worldwide GM and Ford are struggling to make clear profits. GM is in the worse position of the two but Ford is not to far behind.
Both companies have cut jobs substantially worldwide and source many parts or the manufacturing of parts from Asia to further cut costs.
Toyota are in a different league altogether and if all the world's car manufacturers got together they still could not afford to buy them out.

Just a quick question:
Which car on Australian roads has the most local content? Think about it carefully

Edit: QWIGYBO - No, Ford don't make it.

qwigybo · 29-05-2006, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faker

Worldwide GM and Ford are struggling to make clear profits. GM is in the worse position of the two but Ford is not to far behind.
Both companies have cut jobs substantially worldwide and source many parts or the manufacturing of parts from Asia to further cut costs.
Toyota are in a different league altogether and if all the world's car manufacturers got together they still could not afford to buy them out.

Just a quick question:
Which car on Australian roads has the most local content? Think about it carefully

ford does becuase they keep getting gov grants to build in australia and buy australian

Homer1 · 29-05-2006, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hally

Deesun, what are you going on about?? Toyota is the world's second largest producer of vehciles, has more cash in the bank than the other top 10 car makers combined and by the majority of people toyota cars would be rated as some of the best for reliability.

The reason Ford and GM won't make a song and dance about this that they have had, and I am sure they will have more problems in the furture than toyota ever will.

It seems some people just write on this forum to get post counts up, some of should think before you type.

I agree wholeheratedly. Toyotas have and will continue to have problems, as with all cars, but the question is how many do they have in terms of how many cars they make and sell? The ratio is very low compared to Ford and GM.

Cespenar · 29-05-2006, 01:01 PM

Now if only we could buy a rear-wheel-drive Camry. Aaaah .... Dream on!

SB076 · 29-05-2006, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faker

Worldwide GM and Ford are struggling to make clear profits. GM is in the worse position of the two but Ford is not to far behind.
Both companies have cut jobs substantially worldwide and source many parts or the manufacturing of parts from Asia to further cut costs.
Toyota are in a different league altogether and if all the world's car manufacturers got together they still could not afford to buy them out.

Just a quick question:
Which car on Australian roads has the most local content? Think about it carefully

Edit: QWIGYBO - No, Ford don't make it.

The Camry would have a high level of local content and thats due to how Toyota is structured (Camry is built in various locations throughtout the world. however the parts are sourced locally)

Dont know if anyone could accurately say the % content, due to the 1st, 2nd 3rd tier suppliers being able to source overseas without the car companies knowing (1st tier they would know, however 2nd and 3rd tier they may not)

TheSneakiness · 29-05-2006, 01:45 PM

Where it says re-designed Avalon, do they mean the new Aurion that's we're getting?

ClevlndStemer · 29-05-2006, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AUII_SE_Ute

Where it says re-designed Avalon, do they mean the new Aurion that's we're getting?

the aurion is a redesigned camry with a V6...they have an all new avalon model.

TheSneakiness · 29-05-2006, 01:47 PM

Ah.

Thanks for that.

4.9 EF Futura · 29-05-2006, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MethodX

if Ford and Gm were smart they be milking this news for all its worth.

Lol - how so?

Full page add in the detroit news... "They did exactly what we did"

nugget378 · 29-05-2006, 05:08 PM

Toyota hilux is the most reliable vehicle I have ever come across bar none,I have 3, the 2 cab chassis run on the oil that comes out of my XA, one has 180,000, the other has 350,000km, both bought new, also have a diesel 4wd dual cab, not one of these has ever been to the dealer for a service,or near a mechanic ever,all they get is the odd oil change(with second hand penzzoil) and not once has one ever broken down or failed to start.

turboute · 29-05-2006, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steffo

That is very, very far from the truth. If GM & Ford joined together, they could buy Toyota pretty easily.

So being in over 15 or more billion dollars in debt (combined) means you can buy whole car companies now?

You must have forgotten that GM is loosing over 1 billion per year and ford is not far off that. GM's credit rating is about as poor as it could get and Delphi, GM's major parts supply arm, went bankrupt about a year ago and many people are starting to wonder when GM USA will follow (not if but when).

MethodX · 29-05-2006, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Lol - how so?

Full page add in the detroit news... "They did exactly what we did"

Well GM cars have been rating well in the consumer surveys and the holy of al holies Toyota has been dropping.

Time to fight back.

BA_Turbs · 29-05-2006, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steffo

That is very, very far from the truth. If GM & Ford joined together, they could buy Toyota pretty easily.

Have you read a newspaper since 1998?

That's about when Ford and GM needed to realise the big truck thing just wasn't gunna last forever. Neither Ford nor GM are in a position to be buying anything.

mik · 29-05-2006, 06:31 PM

only a month or so back there was talk about administrators for gm, they may not be out of the woods yet.

4.9 EF Futura · 29-05-2006, 06:33 PM

Need to remove the concept of debt from the equation. Debt can be used to fund acquisitions but gearing such an investment like that is not the ideal solution - as if the investment doesnt "fire" then you're left holding the bag servicing the debt.

15 billion dollars of debt isnt necisarily a bad thing. Look at how a bank works. Comm bank currently has something around $250 billion of total assets - a LOT of this would be funded by debt i.e. term deposits.

GM has no shortage of revenue to pay interest on its debt. But its struggling to make a profit which will wear a company like that down. Shareholders dont enjoy watching the intrinsic value of their shares disappear.

I'm sure if GM and Ford wanted to - they could borrow the money to purchase Toyota. But...

a) Toyota wouldnt sell
b) That kind of borrowing would be nothing less than reckless considering GM/FoMoCo financial position - consider "less than investment grade" rating and they'd pay through the nose for it... and would probably trigger another downgrade...
c) Hopefully a regulatory body would prevent them from doing so altho in the US I doubt they've got much in the way of anti-collusion regulation apart from the occasional anti trust suit....

Lol and my '81 celica now provides my form of transport whilst the falcon lays dormant on the back lawn

UNR8D · 29-05-2006, 08:18 PM

Toyota wouldnt sell, they back in the turmoil 70's also looked down the barrel of going broke, toyota pulled the pin on the bank's backing them and built their own slush fund, now they are the richest car manufacturer in the world bar none, have the least ammount of recalls of any manufacturer of recent time and continue to hold a great deal of respect between 21% of the buying motoring public hence the lead in sales of over 8000 already this year ahead of holden.... toyota do nothing brilliantly but do very little wrong and that is more than likey the key to success, resale value and trust in the product has won over the fleet departments hugely in the last few years and is powering away, with new camry around the corner most of us enthusits will YAWN, toyota will be rubbing its hands with glee and running to the bank.

the new Aurion shares nothing in common with the avalon of the US, we get a kluger/camry platform with a widened and lowered body, 3.5 V6 tuned to our conditions with 205kw 6 speed auto FWD and possibility of AWD in the TRD version due out mid 07.

DanielXR8 · 30-05-2006, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MethodX

My this is great news.
if Ford and Gm were smart they be milking this news for all its worth.

They are way ahead of Toyota, having already dropped their build quality years ago. ;)

Dan

M14A-Mclaren · 30-05-2006, 07:06 PM

Most of you have seen the Hilux on Top Gear, enough said.

ltd · 30-05-2006, 07:45 PM

Big and I mean Big difference between japanese built toyota's and American built toyotas. In Japan the quality is very high, so vehicles like the old hilux are pretty much bullet proof.

Look at the quality issues with GM and the cars they have built in China, quality isn't as good as previously; although toyota is talking of having some of their vehicles and/or components made in China. That is not to be confused with Taiwan, which has now started to develop a high quality reputation.

Remember years ago when Sony was the best name in electronics? Now outsourcing has led to content from China, Singapore and places like the Dominican Republic. Where's their reputation now? It's now got people referring to brands like LG as being the leading European brand. Pity they don't realise that LG is Korean and LG actually stands for "Lucky Goldstar".
Yes, remember that brand, Goldstar. The VCR you had when you didn't have a VCR. Worked for two weeks then just self destructed.

Soon, everything manufactured will come from somewhere in Asia, yes Fords too.

AUIII XR8 MAN · 30-05-2006, 08:56 PM

I guess so people in the States will now have Avalon think before buying another one!

All jokes aside Toyota will bouse back, look at all the people who keep buying Holdens with the Gen3 engine with all the well known troubles they were having. They well keep selling the car with out to much trouble.