Grab your final FPV - Page 10

Smoke Pursuit · 02-03-2014, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Auslandau

They had to as there was a hell of an investment in the engine. Ford can charge less as they have no R&D to recoup!

Argh right? Don't forget Ford had to buy Prodrives shares in FPV!

Rodge · 03-03-2014, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Until the price drop was announced they were making SFA. As soon as the announcement was made the order quantity went up 7 fold.

I've been trying to tell them for ages that they need to drop their price, maybe if they had listened earlier...

MAGPIE · 03-03-2014, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

I've been trying to tell them for ages that they need to drop their price, maybe if they had listened earlier...

At least Ford AU dropped the price, unlike Ford NZ

Rodge · 03-03-2014, 10:24 AM

I think they did something, there was a mention on their facebook page about referring to your dealer for special pricing...but in terms of media coverage it got about as much cover as the result from your local RSA lawn bowls tourament...and Ford N.Z. wonder why they're selling next to none

Smoke Pursuit · 03-03-2014, 10:24 AM

They havent really dropped the price though. You have been able to walk in and negotiate similar deals on FPV GT's for a long time. Someone I know bought one in 2011 for $66,000 with leather and a camera. Back in 2011 I could have bought a demo GT-E for $63,000. The only difference is now they are advertising the fact and people are scared they will miss out.

**Elks** · 03-03-2014, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

Back in 2011 I could have bought a demo GT-E for $63,000. .

And I did..

mcnews · 03-03-2014, 10:55 AM

That's the thing though Dash, but before this the people that actually wanted to order a car got held to ransom though and had to pay top dollar. Floor stock you have always been able to get these prices, but not yet to be built stock.

**fordomatic** · 03-03-2014, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

They havent really dropped the price though. You have been able to walk in and negotiate similar deals on FPV GT's for a long time. Someone I know bought one in 2011 for $66,000 with leather and a camera. Back in 2011 I could have bought a demo GT-E for $63,000. The only difference is now they are advertising the fact and people are scared they will miss out.

I think you would be surprised at how many people don't bargain mate. This deal has saved them the thought the they got ripped off. Either way it has worked really well for Ford, if they priced them drive away from the start like this many more would have sold

Rodge · 03-03-2014, 01:12 PM

In marketing terms perception is reality for many people. It matters not that prices have been able to be haggled this low for ages, people perceive they're getting a bargain because Ford advertised it as such and then there's the FOMO which is probably the bigger factor.

Next we will have the final limited edition model and Ford will try and convince us loyal enthusiasts that this is our very last chance to own the ultimate FPV of all time. But will it be ? What's to stop them doing a special edition XR8 in due course with the extra tech of the FH and its new shape, plus GT-P seats, 6/4 Brembo's, R Spec suspension and maybe even a special tune on the 335 engine...in effect, potentially a technically better car, albeit without the FPV badge ?

BHDOGS · 03-03-2014, 01:19 PM

so in other words people are ******* idiots and when they say rrp written on the tv they go derp herp nope cant afford dat to much monayyyyyyyyyy sexy boy but then they see 20% of wowzers now i can afford it kinda proves the whole problem with the population to begin with to lazy to even save themselves some ******* money.

**Grunter** · 03-03-2014, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BHDOGS

so in other words people are ******* idiots and when they say rrp written on the tv they go derp herp nope cant afford dat to much monayyyyyyyyyy sexy boy but then they see 20% of wowzers now i can afford it kinda proves the whole problem with the population to begin with to lazy to even save themselves some ******* money.

Ummm what? To the part I get, so now the lack of sales is due to the customer being to lazy?

PS: you are "people" and part of the population too. ;)

stevefreestyle · 03-03-2014, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Grunter

Ummm what? To the part I get, so now the lack of sales is due to the customer being to lazy?

PS: you are "people" and part of the population too. ;)

Your guess is as good as mine, but I think he means 20% of the stupid people have Herpies (???)

BHDOGS · 03-03-2014, 01:54 PM

Where's derp when u need him

barra240t · 03-03-2014, 03:24 PM

I went into Woolies once and asked for a 50% discount on a loaf of bread..they said no :(

I did have an everyday rewards card though.

dirtyclevo · 03-03-2014, 03:54 PM

even the fact that you can buy a F6 for $55,000 driveaway is insane.

seeing a G6E Turbo is the only 5k cheaper at the moment.

or subaru liberty sports or a lexus is250 for the same price.

both japanese versions of luxury.

Smoke Pursuit · 03-03-2014, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtyclevo

even the fact that you can buy a F6 for $55,000 driveaway is insane.

seeing a G6E Turbo is the only 5k cheaper at the moment.

or subaru liberty sports or a lexus is250 for the same price.

both japanese versions of luxury.

G6E Turbos can be had for $42k if you shop.. Not many left tho!

BHDOGS · 03-03-2014, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by barra240t

I went into Woolies once and asked for a 50% discount on a loaf of bread..they said no :(

I did have an everyday rewards card though.

Im sure if the loaf of bread had $70,000 RRP written on it youd be able to get a couple bucks off.

**Elks** · 03-03-2014, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mcnews

That's the thing though Dash, but before this the people that actually wanted to order a car got held to ransom though and had to pay top dollar. Floor stock you have always been able to get these prices, but not yet to be built stock.

That's so true. I've had many discussions about colours and options and suddenly because you want either an unusual mix or a popular combo that has to be built.

When I was shopping for the GTE all the dealers had was Edge, a great colour but after 10 years with a grey car I wanted something different. Eventually I found my ex FoMoCo black/red and bought it.

I enquired about a Territory with cashmere trim, no stock, no deals special order 3 month wait ( I can deal with that) but back to retail price. Suddenly the alternate trim costs an extra $5k. And the deal falls apart.

TRUBLU4DS · 04-03-2014, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kieron

I dunno. Ford did a sticker pack for the last 400 XC coupes and were in big demand, IIRC selling for more than RRP in some cases.

Their running gear carried on for two models too and today, those stripey coupes are considered muscle car classics and fetch a pretty penny.

They were more than a sticker pack .

Auslandau · 04-03-2014, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DASH GT

Argh right? Don't forget Ford had to buy Prodrives shares in FPV!

Of course they did ..... but I am quite sure that they didnt have to pay back to prodrive the amount invested in the 335.

Also there has always been a difference between floor stock and to order in price. I bought floor stock a hell of a lot cheaper than what I could get by ordering a couple of years ago. While no one (should) pays retail, the price today is a lot better now than it was when I bought mine. Today I would buy a new one. Back then I couldn't (wouldn't)

I dont care if it devalues the GT ...... it does not change the fact I have had 2 plus years of fun and it was always going to depreciate anyway.

Rodge · 05-03-2014, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Elks

That's so true. I've had many discussions about colours and options and suddenly because you want either an unusual mix or a popular combo that has to be built.

When I was shopping for the GTE all the dealers had was Edge, a great colour but after 10 years with a grey car I wanted something different. Eventually I found my ex FoMoCo black/red and bought it.

I enquired about a Territory with cashmere trim, no stock, no deals special order 3 month wait ( I can deal with that) but back to retail price. Suddenly the alternate trim costs an extra $5k. And the deal falls apart.

This sort of thing gets my goat and seems especially prevalent at dealerships owned by a certain listed company its probably best I don't name. I've had discussions with them before about this. Over recent years they are deliberatly and dramatically reducing the amount of floor stock allocated to high value vehicles in particular such as FPV's to eliminate floor plan finance costs, yard space and logistical issues, all of which saves them considerable money. Floor stock should theoretically be more expensive if they've had to carry the costs of having a vehicle in stock. As a direct result of their decision to dramatically lower stock level's more and more often customers have to wait months for vehicles to be built and they try and make the case that because its a special order vehicle there's no discounting.

Its only a special order because of their deliberate decision to dramatically lower stock level's so argumments about it being a special order are spurious at best.

**kypez** · 05-03-2014, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

This sort of thing gets my goat and seems especially prevalent at dealerships owned by a certain listed company its probably best I don't name. I've had discussions with them before about this. Over recent years they are deliberatly and dramatically reducing the amount of floor stock allocated to high value vehicles in particular such as FPV's to eliminate floor plan finance costs, yard space and logistical issues, all of which saves them considerable money. Floor stock should theoretically be more expensive if they've had to carry the costs of having a vehicle in stock. As a direct result of their decision to dramatically lower stock level's more and more often customers have to wait months for vehicles to be built and they try and make the case that because its a special order vehicle there's no discounting.

Its only a special order because of their deliberate decision to dramatically lower stock level's so argumments about it being a special order are spurious at best.

Yes, how dare they keep the less profitable choices on the floor and the more profitable ones harder to get. How dare they try make money on a product, they should be giving them away at cost!

Rodge · 05-03-2014, 11:07 AM

Nobody's suggesting they should sell them at cost but at least a dealer should be able to take your order and give you a build date and not be looking to try and con you into thinking you need to pay absolutly full retail just because its an ordered product. This sort of arrogance has contributed to the sales decline in recent times, in my opinion. Backing that opinion up is the market evidence that when product is offerred at fair prices sales go ballistic. Yeah, Ford dealers previous sales tactics have worked a real treat

**kypez** · 05-03-2014, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

Nobody's suggesting they should sell them at cost but at least a dealer should be able to take your order and give you a build date and not be looking to try and con you into thinking you need to pay absolutly full retail just because its an ordered product.

Every business in the world does it. Go to a Mobile phone shop and they will give you a discount on an item in store, but full price if you order. As soon as you say you want something in particular, it shows you have an attachment to the product and not the price and would be willing to move up on price to get it. If Price was your deciding factor, you'd take what you're given. Its basic business!

I dont call this a con job. Its good business! They are in the business to make money and as much of it as possible. Heck you can argue they need to make up the difference from people who did squeeze them on another deal!

I usually bargain a bit but not too much. Why? Cause i want the dealership to stay in business and the company that makes what I like to still keep making the product in the future. Same reason I dont buy Coles or Woolies milk because if they sell it at that price, imagine the poor guy getting screwed trying to supply it. But I digress...

Shonky. · 05-03-2014, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

This sort of thing gets my goat and seems especially prevalent at dealerships owned by a certain listed company its probably best I don't name. I've had discussions with them before about this. Over recent years they are deliberatly and dramatically reducing the amount of floor stock allocated to high value vehicles in particular such as FPV's to eliminate floor plan finance costs, yard space and logistical issues, all of which saves them considerable money. Floor stock should theoretically be more expensive if they've had to carry the costs of having a vehicle in stock. As a direct result of their decision to dramatically lower stock level's more and more often customers have to wait months for vehicles to be built and they try and make the case that because its a special order vehicle there's no discounting.

Its only a special order because of their deliberate decision to dramatically lower stock level's so argumments about it being a special order are spurious at best.

I think it's more that they fire sale the floor stock when it starts to age.

They get factory kickbacks for moving it, changing their acquisition cost, allowing lower prices.

Smoke Pursuit · 05-03-2014, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

This sort of thing gets my goat and seems especially prevalent at dealerships owned by a certain listed company its probably best I don't name. I've had discussions with them before about this. Over recent years they are deliberatly and dramatically reducing the amount of floor stock allocated to high value vehicles in particular such as FPV's to eliminate floor plan finance costs, yard space and logistical issues, all of which saves them considerable money. Floor stock should theoretically be more expensive if they've had to carry the costs of having a vehicle in stock. As a direct result of their decision to dramatically lower stock level's more and more often customers have to wait months for vehicles to be built and they try and make the case that because its a special order vehicle there's no discounting.

Its only a special order because of their deliberate decision to dramatically lower stock level's so argumments about it being a special order are spurious at best.

Its changed alot the last few years because both Ford and dealers did get burn't. I remember when FG first came out and they built about 1000 GT's in the first 12 months.... They couldn't move them! I bought my FG GT for $58k brand new with leathers and stripes. I basically could have had any colour I wanted at the time from the floor they had that many sitting around. Dealers were crying poor because they couldnt sell them, so Ford had to keep increasing the bonus on them.

This was worsened back in 2010 when Ford built thousands of Euro 3 Falcons and parked them up on the grass at Campbellfield. It took them years to clear those cars out, even the lower spec ones like EGAS XL utes, it was then they decided to cease building reserve stock on the grass like they had for so many years... Once upon a time dealers could order built cars from Ford that were sitting on the grass. Yes sir we can order you a car from the factory and it will take a week! Yeah right!

So you cant blame the dealers for all of it. Alot of it as come from the top down, with Ford only wanting to build to order.

Rodge · 05-03-2014, 11:53 AM

Interesting debate. I think its a chicken and egg thing. If they had more floor stock and got more people behind the wheel to discover how well these cars perform they'd sell more. Having to wait a few months puts lots of people off. They don't plant the seed, (egg if you like) and wonder why their chickens don't come home to roost.

OTOH with vehicles like the Ford Kuga chock-a-block with far more current technology and that small / medium SUV segment selling so well, is it any wonder dealers have a far higher propensity to stock quick selling product.

P.S. Yeah, fair comment Dash but perhaps the pendulum has swung too far the other way and Ford are now paying a price as well as their customers for their just in time production methodology ?

Smoke Pursuit · 05-03-2014, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodge

Interesting debate. I think its a chicken and egg thing. If they had more floor stock and got more people behind the wheel to discover how well these cars perform they'd sell more. Having to wait a few months puts lots of people off. They don't plant the seed, (egg if you like) and wonder why their chickens don't come home to roost.

OTOH with vehicles like the Ford Kuga chock-a-block with far more current technology and that small / medium SUV segment selling so well, is it any wonder dealers have a far higher propensity to stock quick selling product.

P.S. Yeah, fair comment Dash but perhaps the pendulum has swung too far the other way and Ford are now paying a price as well as their customers for their just in time production methodology ?

The thing is people weren't buying them 5 years ago. The economy hasn't got any better, people are always looking at ways of saving money, even if they spend $60,000 on a car they worry about the cost of ownership and fuel etc. The other thing is people want cars that they can do things with, that is going 4wding, camping etc. HSV built a ******** of Gen F cars they are now struggling to move, (unless GTS). They have Clubsport manuals advertised for $53 kay here in QLD!

Road_Warrior · 05-03-2014, 12:07 PM

I dunno about that Dash, look on Carsales, there are nearly 100 Gen-F GTS's on there for sale, for something so exclusive etc they certainly seem to have a fair few of them sitting in stealerships

Smoke Pursuit · 05-03-2014, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

I dunno about that Dash, look on Carsales, there are nearly 100 Gen-F GTS's on there for sale, for something so exclusive etc they certainly seem to have a fair few of them sitting in stealerships

Interesting... They were hard to get, but looks like they have caught up. Compare the amount of HSV's available to FPV's... Kind of tells a story.