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27-04-2015, 09:30 PM | #271 | ||
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^ I want to thank more than once so true mate such a shame to see the muppets behind such an awesome car and them being such a bunch of **** heads to deal with every time. Seriously the ford warranties arent worth the paper they are written on cause at the end of the day some idiot ford apprentice wont do the job properly and will leave greasy finger prints everywhere.
(NB: Im an apprentice but dont work at dealership )
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27-04-2015, 09:52 PM | #272 | ||
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With things heating up on this thread towards Ford, this will not be good for you so maybe this thread should be locked! If you can't negotiate a resolution with the Dealership which you purchased the vehicle from of Ford Australia, just have it fixed and move on. Going to Court will cost a lot more and could go either way, more likely with Ford. It's happened and you can't change it, get it fixed and start enjoying your car again that's why you bought it in the first place.
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27-04-2015, 09:57 PM | #273 | |||
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27-04-2015, 10:11 PM | #274 | ||
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27-04-2015, 10:32 PM | #275 | |||
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27-04-2015, 10:41 PM | #276 | ||
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27-04-2015, 10:41 PM | #277 | |||
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Better still, make it known to everyone to avoid that dealership like the plague. Let's see if loss of sales was all worth it for them. |
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27-04-2015, 10:42 PM | #278 | ||
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27-04-2015, 10:44 PM | #279 | ||
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27-04-2015, 10:50 PM | #280 | ||
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they usually get sold at salvage auctions,.. with no warranty entitlements & not to be registered .
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27-04-2015, 10:51 PM | #281 | ||
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They clearly don't care, I wouldn't be naming and shaming until it gets sorted one way or another. I also wont be shaming my dealer until my issue has been sorted one way or another. I want it over soon as media love a story about icon cars not doing what they claim or being fit for purpose but I aint going there without a bag full of facts .Especially with all the press car company's are going to get over the next year or two some one is bound to pick up on a well organized and well laid out complaint that clearly shows distain for customers. The best plan is to construct a case without emotion just the facts and evidence, keep it plain and simple and make your point by using the correct means but by all means use every option available to you in this process.Keep notes of all phone calls,dates times employee number,all E-mails and written correspondence .I have
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27-04-2015, 10:54 PM | #282 | ||
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No not true. Only preproduction builds get crushed. All Ford demo / press cars are sold via dealer only auctions with balance of Ford warranty. It's obviously at Fords discretion what they do to them prior to sale but I know the media / FPV cars get a good going over before they are farmed out to dealers.
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27-04-2015, 11:36 PM | #283 | |||||||
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And because some of us have the common sense not to do anything that can risk voiding the warranty while said car is still under a warranty. I'm sick of the Ford bashing. With 'fans' like these, who needs enemies? Ford have done nothing that is against their warranty policy or that other manufacturers wouldn't have done. Quote:
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Secondly, the manufacturer's warranty is part of the contract between the manufacturer and the owner. To the extent that it is not inconsistent with the ACL, it applies and Ford have the legal discretion to void the warranty if the consumer used the product in a manner expressly stipulated as that which may void the warranty. Quote:
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And even if you win and have a costs order in your favour, you will still be out of pocket several grand. If you win, as a general rule, you'll only be able to recover approximately 60% to 70% of what you have to pay the lawyer.
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27-04-2015, 11:48 PM | #284 | ||
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loud pipes just like to clarify that the blue meanie is only in my possession ,I don't really know really who makes them nor do I care . I bleed blue not red.
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27-04-2015, 11:51 PM | #285 | |||
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27-04-2015, 11:58 PM | #286 | ||
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I have been reading the warranty manual over and over. I only have one book for warranty and this is what it says sorry for the bad quality pics.
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28-04-2015, 12:03 AM | #287 | ||
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Whoever created (or proof read) the current warranty booklet needs to be shot. The definition of "misuse" in the context of the document is completely missing.
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28-04-2015, 12:04 AM | #288 | ||
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There is the term misuse. . . . Very very vague and could be argued either way. They have failed to define misuse or give any examples.
If you really want you could seek a legal opinion and would have grounds to on that.
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28-04-2015, 12:16 AM | #289 | ||
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Ford should be only too happy to see the failure they created.
How many of us have pushed engines to the limit? Even beyond. But the still worked fine, for many years to come. |
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28-04-2015, 12:23 AM | #290 | ||
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I believe it is deliberately written in such a manner to give Ford a greater discretion. Besides, it's not something that can possibly be defined with an all inclusive definition.
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28-04-2015, 12:24 AM | #291 | ||
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Much less stringent than I thought it would be.
Put in a formal complaint tomorrow with Ford Customer Care over the phone. Start pushing it up the channels. |
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28-04-2015, 12:27 AM | #292 | |||
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But not defining it can work both ways, because it will be interpreted in context of the product -which is a sports car. Especially given that the law says that in terms of an exclusion clause, any ambiguity is to be read against the party who drafted the clause....
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28-04-2015, 12:28 AM | #293 | |||
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Even if it gives ford more discretion it works the other way as well.
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28-04-2015, 12:33 AM | #294 | ||
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This was done on Thursday.
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28-04-2015, 12:45 AM | #295 | |||
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It is not a race car or a dragster.
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28-04-2015, 01:05 AM | #296 | |||
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What is in issue is if Ford tries to argue misuse as over revving or something like that (something less definite than for instance motorsport or doing that fishtailing sliding stuff whatever that "sport" is called-a yes drifting) when it is not obviously excluded the court will have to define misuse in context of the totality of the contract including the product- itself which is their hero sports car marketed as such. The court will not expect the XR8 to be driven within the same parameters as a diesel 1.6 runabout- different products and what usage of those products will constitutes misuse will vary. So-wriggle room for Ford, but also good for users if any ambiguity in the circumstances claimed to be misuse.
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28-04-2015, 01:09 AM | #297 | ||
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Damn ... Farting in he driver's seat could come under misuse as well.
No one is safe.
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28-04-2015, 01:15 AM | #298 | ||
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Nah mate- never ambiguity with a fart - unless its yours
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28-04-2015, 01:32 AM | #299 | |||
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I have fixed two Sprintex units in the last 18 months. They aren't hard to repair...just bite the bullet and fix it. There's stuff all in a supercharger... |
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28-04-2015, 01:49 AM | #300 | ||
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I wonder if 'Ford PR' still frequents the site?
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