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You are crapping on.
Dont even know why you are continuing on with tyres, brakes, drivers, training or any of the so called 'evidence' that you think you've offered. The thread isnt about any car before an accident or avoiding an accident, its about being in an accident and the aftermath - anything before it is irrelevant to the conversation. Plain and simple, take 2 stripped out shells (to eliminate all the B.S you continue with), one brand new off the factory floor and your old XC (or whatever) and smash both head on at the same speed and see which one would cause less damage to the driver. You can then go get another 2 shells and do a side impact if you so please - the results will be the same either way. If you honestly believe that your XC has better crumple zones and built in occupant protection over a new car - you need to wake up to yourself. Accept the FACTS that a newer car is safer for its occupants than an older car. Last edited by Kryton; 23-08-2010 at 10:52 PM. |
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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wow.
where did I say an XC has better crash safety. I simply defended its braking and steering systems. lay off the crack pipe.
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This thread is about occupant safety in a crash and nothing more, not brakes, not steering, not inflated egos. Seems that is too hard for some to understand. BTW, my post was directed at those that still think that an older car is safer than a newer car. |
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Here is a challenge, a 80-0 braking distance challenge. You in your car and me in mine, 5 runs with a few minutes driving to cool down the brakes between runs (because yours will not handle repeated efforts as well and we are not talking track days, we are talking emergency stops). The one with the shortage average distance in the braking test wins and no practice runs as you don't get to practice before a crash. I know your car is 160 kg lighter than the cobra I used as an example but it has the same brakes so this should not matter (according to you). Your P6 against my F6, I can arrange a suitable and legal venue. Only rules are you are not allowed to run any brake modifications, only OEM brakes sizes and slotting/x drilling only if it comes standard. Also only stock size tyres and stock suspension. Petrol tank must be full and all standard equipment fitted. Would you take the challenge?
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go back, read what I've said. what the hell does an F6 vrs a P6 have to do with anything. thats it, I'm done. All I've said was XC brakes arent terrible and are identical to later model falcon brakes up until 1998. why you're trying to make this personal I don't know. grow up.
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GECKO. I didn't mean it to sound like you were saying I was full of it. So my apologies. I just don't know how to put a dozen different quotes in one thread.
As for those that reckon I'm clutching at straws. Think what you wish. I've been asked for proof of things. I've replied on where to look for these things, but there are people out there that refuse to accept that. What more can you do. A passing note. The ABS wire may not have had problems yet, but like any piece of wire, subjected to weather conditions, age does effect it. Believe that or not.
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No offense meant towards you adelaidecrow, but after 11 pages of crap I can't help but feel a very important message has been lost.
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We've had a lot of back and forth on this thread, and often gotten side tracked into arguments about very specific side issues like the braking abilities of a given model, or the sturdiness of an ABS sensor wire.
Bottom line, the majority here (about 90% going by the separate poll thread - thanks gecko) support the stance that new cars are safer, while apparently there are at least 9 members who believe old cars are safer. A number of people have taken the time to find video links and TV show clips that support the new car side. This is evidence from outside the AFF, evidence independent of personal views and interpretation. My challenge to those who feel older cars are safer (a view you are completely entitled to), is to spend the time looking for some outside corroboration of your stance. Show us a link to a video of a crash test where the old car wins, or a link to some form of scientific paper or published news/magazine article that backs up your opinion. The people who believe that new cars are safer have taken the time to do so, please do them the courtesy of doing the same if you are going to continue debating this point.
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Gecko, I had offered that exact challenge and somehow the thread turned back into debating how long a wire will last, and XC's vs NC's.
people on here have used cars as their example of expertise, I had posted evidence or linked to evidence in much earlier posts, so since all people understood was this vs that I drove 3 varied cars in 1 day, posted 'MY OPPINION' same as barry/svo etc and due to a play on words in 1 line there had to be a debate about how I was an old car hater/not allowed to express my own opinion etc... Hypocrite much? Ive posted evidence, SVO and BARRY its time for you to do the same. SVO how many of these so called ABS wires have you had break on you? *and ill ask for an honest reply*
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Again, who cares about ABS or the lifespan of wires?
As far as the thread is concerned, the crash has HAPPENED. This thread isnt about prevention, its about survivability in the event of a crash. Still waiting to see EVIDENCE that an older car is safer than a newer car. |
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I'ld like to know how an ABS wire is going to fail the exact second you are going to crash.
Holy jesus SVO has this thread has turned into a mire, the fact is a new car is safer then an old one. Why are we crapping on about ABS?
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I love my very original 1963 EH Holden Panel Van too but I feels extremely vulnerable safety wise when I drive it. No disk brakes (4 wheel drums), no collapsible steering column, no crumple zone, cross ply tyres, no brake proportioning valve (I found it wants to go sideways and maybe even roll when I tested it to see what would happen in an emergency stop), no headrests etc. I have fitted seat belts but otherwise it's stock.
More worryingly lots of other drivers don't understand that it is still competitively quick around tow,n but takes a longer distance to brake, in normal city driving. As a result I frequently get idiots that change lanes on me going through the lights (they obviously think I am are going to move away abnormally slowly), pull out in front of me from stops signs (they must think it does 5 km/h rather than 60 km/h around town) and swap lanes and slow down immediately in front of me on the freeway without leaving sufficient braking/slowing space for me. So now it's a once a month Sunday driver and I drive it with extreme caution and some trepidation. Sometimes I wonder if I should fit racing stripes and mags etc so it looks like a faster hotted up car and so the other drivers would not wrongly assume is a snail paced car. Yes; at very slow impact speed its chrome bumpers would do more damage to the other modern car than it but I might end up with whiplash and an impact at any sort of speed may well kill or maim me. And yes, although they don't get the same weird treatment as the EH does from other drivers, I also know that modern cars are also safer than my two old Fairlanes. The certainly have more safety features than the EH but the have no air bags or computerised handling assistance. And yes while larger sedans from the same year are generally safer than smaller cars of the same year with identical safety features; generally drving a modern cars with modern safety features will significantly increase your statistical life expectancy.
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Oh jeez, alright I'm genuinely interested, will the broken abs wire show up on the dashboard light? And if so does this make this whole line of debate redundant?
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Seeing that here are now 2 threads running on the very same topic ... this one can be put out of its misery
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