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13-11-2015, 07:16 AM | #301 | ||
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What a stupid thing to say, those classic pushrod engines belong in those classic cars......
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13-11-2015, 08:15 AM | #302 | ||
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13-11-2015, 09:01 AM | #303 | ||
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Nor does BMW, Merc, Audi, VW, Toyota and so on a so forth. I think you'll be hard pressed to name another manufacturer using Push rods.
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13-11-2015, 09:05 AM | #304 | |||
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13-11-2015, 09:34 AM | #305 | ||
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Have seen a few new VF2 SS red lines around. They really are a nice looking car and look like they go very well. The car looks a generation ahead of the Falcon. The interior is really nice and the new front bumper looks really good with the LS3 badge. Overal a very good package from Holden and really well specced with the Brembos alround. I think Ford struggled to offer anymore kit on the XR8 because of the engine cost. The XR8 engine would be double the price of the LS3 engine and this would be a reason why Ford had no money left for anymore extras like rear Brembos or maybe full electric seats
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13-11-2015, 11:52 AM | #306 | |||
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What I said was, in reponse to the motor mag article, 0-100 and down the quater, a ford with a blower was shown to be only marginally faster then a holden that dosent have one. You would think the margins would be bigger, a lot bigger, but they werent. Go figure. As you said, Of course the xr8 has a stronger motor, its faster at this point in rev range, that point etc, and so it should, it has oddles more power, and thats due in no small way to the supercharger. Dont see the point in gloating about how a cars engine is so good here, there and everywhere when it has a blower and the other one dosent. That would be like me scoffing at the endless number VN commodores and Xr? that seem to want me race me from every set of lights. Whats the point? What I also said is theres always some excuse rolled out by many on here for why the margins arent higher, or why some journo says there pride and joy isnt as good as the "oposition". Id go and post all the quotes to substantiate my claim but they are so numourous and so obvious theres no point. To be fair, I couldnt careless which is better. The XR is a ridicously bang for buck bargin. But if I still owned my 335, Id be be impressed with a Na pushrod coming close to keeping up with me, not making tired old excuses for why I havent given it a good ole smacking.
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13-11-2015, 12:16 PM | #307 | ||
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13-11-2015, 12:21 PM | #308 | |||
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I’m not interested in your fixation with OHC versus OHV, none of that matters to me as I own both and know both designs offer good power if you wish to extract it. I’m happy to take either or both and I’d prefer them to have big displacement to go with it. The small displacement forced induction boys are getting around with some great engines under the bonnet but some of them aren't willing to accept there are other ways to skin a cat. |
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13-11-2015, 01:32 PM | #309 | ||
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I'm no ricer... but you have to tip your hat to Ford for having the balls to create a 5+ litre flat-plane cranked engine in this day and age. Times are changing and I do love the the big 6.4L hemis and the LS7, but there's nothing special about them. Voodoo is a special engine... one that Ford fans should celebrate and be proud of. It's actually the antithesis of ricer... it still has eight cylinders!
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13-11-2015, 02:54 PM | #310 | ||
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Wasn't there a saying in 'Murrica " Thar ain't no substitute for cubic feet"
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13-11-2015, 02:58 PM | #311 | ||
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It would be a bit hard to walk with cubic feet, wouldn't it?
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13-11-2015, 03:58 PM | #312 | ||
351 cubic inches of FURY!
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13-11-2015, 04:07 PM | #313 | ||
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There's always one
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13-11-2015, 05:12 PM | #314 | ||
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if it has a V8 i dont care what brand it is, i admire all cars, i drive a commodore but bleed blue haha,
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13-11-2015, 05:39 PM | #315 | |||
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Out of the three "big boys" I'd take the AMG donk over the 6.4 Hemi and the LS7. You need only look at the SLS AMG Black to see why the engine is such a beauty - 464kw and 635nm! But, unfortunately - AMG have gone down the route of the snail... so, V8s which displace similar cubic inches to our straight-six Falcon with a snail attached on each bank seem to be in. That's the times we live in. Unfortunately, it won't be long before we say that anything fitted with an internal combustion engine has character - just look at the performance figures of a Tesla to see how much of a game changer electricity is! |
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13-11-2015, 06:01 PM | #316 | ||
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13-11-2015, 06:06 PM | #317 | ||
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13-11-2015, 06:43 PM | #318 | |||
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13-11-2015, 07:09 PM | #319 | ||
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No contradiction at all.
What he's saying is that even though the interior looks dated once you're driving you don't even notice it. As for me, I don't think the interior is too dated, I was just having a look over the dash of my R-Spec the other day and consider it actually looked pretty smart, the colours all blend well and has worn well over the 3 years I've had it now. Everything fits together well and there are no squeaks or rattles. Overall, I quite like the HSV's, especially the engineering that has gone into them but the VF dash is too blingy for my taste and the cloth/suede trims don't wear too well in some examples on the car fleet where I work. Just my opinion, but the magic is in the driving and every time I take mine out for a blast I never fail to smile.
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13-11-2015, 08:38 PM | #320 | |||
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The interior on my GT still looks smart to for me. The FG is laid out well and everything is right where you want it. Nothing is falling apart or rattling which compared to my friends GEN F GTS, the Falcon is far superior. His GTS has cheap leather seats, the badges have fallen off of his mats and the instrument cluster leather wrap is loose. Hop in the back and there is nothing premium at all. The back of the VF is plain jane base model falcon spec other than some leather seating. Its a sea of black plastic. He claims his FG F6 had a far better fit and finish interior and choice of materials. FG to FG2 steps up again.
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13-11-2015, 09:21 PM | #321 | ||
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Yeh and with one eye closed my BA is smart and well laid out compared to my VF redline.
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13-11-2015, 10:25 PM | #322 | |||
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That's the beauty of these Forums, we can see things in blue and red and it makes for entertaining reading.
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13-11-2015, 10:33 PM | #323 | ||
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Yeh I have one red eye and one blue eye. Two very different cars, one has nice interior and features but pushrods. The other is plain but has turbo power.
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13-11-2015, 10:36 PM | #324 | |||
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The central console again is very functional utility, but the small buttons are a little underwhelming/non ergonomic. But essentially german utility functional with no bling-like a budget golf etc-very functional. The steering wheel is a monstrosity, UGLY, but I must say again very functional and very good grip and very good indents/shape for whipping counterlock when the car kicks viciously. And truth is I never look at the steering wheel when driving, nor the dash dials when unleashing, simply listen to engine and thumping from rear and chimes to tell me whats going on. The HSV and commodores with suede dash are much nicer materials and the steering wheel is nicer to look at, but I find the dials a little busy. So for a fresh set of eyes, the FGX is a pretty good place to be. But I can understand guys who have had an FG11 for a number of years wanting something different.
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13-11-2015, 10:55 PM | #325 | ||
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I think the interiors of both cars are ergonomic enough with most of the common functions available via the steering wheel but both are also very guilty of an overabundance of cheapness.
Those chromey, brushed alloyie bits and pieces are so fake looking it highlights the cheapness and the piano black in the Holden is an insult. I’m a buyer who when spending 60 to 100k on a performance car would be happy to fork out another $500 to option in some half decent trim pieces if the manufacturers would only make them available. The leather in both cars is average at best. |
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13-11-2015, 11:02 PM | #326 | |||
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And the leather seats, really a plastic feel-I look forward to getting Doyles to re-upholster the seats in decent leather in time, and actually get a leather armrest between the seats instead of the rubber!!!!
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13-11-2015, 11:39 PM | #327 | |||
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well lets call apples for apples, to be fair the holden has a 20 odd percent bigger cube sized engine, so that certainly should whittle down some advantage of the blower on the ford.. |
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14-11-2015, 12:04 AM | #328 | |||
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I've had my VF for about 9 months now and have barely glanced at them cause I've got the head-up display. Some call it a gimmick, but whatever - it's just awesome. I really do notice how much you have to look away from the road to constantly check your speed in camera-infested Victoria whenever I drive a different car now. Talking gimmick - one of the head up's pages shows a G-Force meter. Throw it round a corner and it'll display how many G's you pulled - it stays up for a few seconds so you get a chance to read it. In 9 months of ownership I've used it precisely once, but hope to again in the near future... |
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14-11-2015, 12:07 AM | #329 | ||
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And in regards to the pushrod engine - the Holden V8 really is a physically tiny engine as a result. Less bulk. Less weight over the front wheels = better handling/steering. Competitive power and economy. What was the problem again?
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14-11-2015, 01:10 AM | #330 | |||
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Plus stroking pushrods is now a very popular way to make power in older and newer cars.
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