Covid 19 -

[Tickford.]

Heads up... in metropolitan NSW, start panic buying NOW. Groceries, toilet paper, masks, etc, etc, etc.

Go! go! GO!


Thank me later.

[Tickford.]

Seen a lot of people wearing these masks lately. Do do not buy or use masks with a valve.

They only filter the air being inhaled. Exhaled air is unfiltered. If you're infected, these masks offer zero protection to others.



https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/...5-15208241.php

[prydey]

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...2f836a0c600a1b

Yep, the message is really getting through

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by prydey

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...2f836a0c600a1b

Yep, the message is really getting through

It's alright bro we've got home made masks we're immune now with our new fashion wear that looks like the crotch from men's underwear.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by prydey

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/re...2f836a0c600a1b

Yep, the message is really getting through

That'll be the Premier's fault as well.............

[T3rminator]

A few days after the "2nd wave" was confirmed, statisticians forcasted that, if Victoria was to have it under control, we would see a peak of 500+ by the middle of this week. Lets hope they are right! We almost got there today....

[T3rminator]

This analysis gives a prediction on peak dates, but not the number.

If we were to follow worse case, we should peak between 22nd to 26th July. Next 4 days crucial!!!

https://www.livewiremarkets.com/wire...uly-to-20-july

[blueoval]

Im ready Franco!

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by blueoval

Im ready Franco!

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Wearing these types of masks really does prove that we are in deep s&!t Lol
Someone pull the lever and stop the world. I wanna get the &:&k off now.....

[Citroënbender]

Instructables is swamped by DIY face mask tutorials. Noteworthy, none from the crowd who reckon you can make anything out of just duct tape.

[Franco Cozzo]

So how goods the COVID Safe app?

Hasn't even worked once

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

So how goods the COVID Safe app?

Hasn't even worked once

And you know that how?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

And you know that how?

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...27-p556s7.html

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...27-p556s7.html

I got one better....

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...9-eb81aead1198

[nstg8a]

70 million dollar waste of time and money...

[cheap]

Originally Posted by nstg8a

70 million dollar waste of time and money...

Ask the people who got awarded the deal to build the POS if it was a waste of money

Then there are friends of ours who jumped onto the safeapp. Encouraged (instructed) all their employees to download it. Over dinner they chastised me, the mrs and our young adult children for not using it. I tried to explain that it was a complete waste of time, money and effort, I tried to explain the premise of its success was based on false assumptions.

‘What would I know’ was the general reply... I do know it is hard to keep friendships with some people!

[T3rminator]

A lighter way to start this morning....

[Fed]

Russell could you define "CMR" there seems to be so many different ways of expressing these numbers it's starting to hurt my head.

I'm sure you did make mention of it earlier in the thread but at ~150 pages... you know.

[Citroënbender]

Interesting episode à maison this morning, new personal care service starting for my father as I look to ramp up the “hands on” care. Brothers had agreed with me that a woman was preferred for showering and general personal hygiene. When she arrived, it was the same chick who’d been previously here as a cleaner two years ago!

The relevance? Working legitimately on a visa, no PR, no single employer, no fixed workplaces. A perfect candidate for contracting and then spreading coronavirus. I wasn’t annoyed, more dismayed for this woman’s sake. If she gets sick, she’s just discarded, and potentially on the next plane home.

You’d think that it might be sensible to lock in your health and aged care workforce so far as possible. Fixed places of work, confirmed residency, ideally one employer. Better than running a sickness lottery.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Fed

Russell could you define "CMR" there seems to be so many different ways of expressing these numbers it's starting to hurt my head.

I'm sure you did make mention of it earlier in the thread but at ~150 pages... you know.

Case mortality rate. Deaths vs infections.

[Fed]

Originally Posted by prydey

Case mortality rate. Deaths vs infections.

Thanks prydey.

Death Vs Total Infections or Resolved Infections?

[russellw]

Originally Posted by Fed

Thanks prydey.

Death Vs Total Infections or Resolved Infections?

It's deaths vs identified infections.

As I said earlier, it's a bit misleading really because the more testing you do (and therefore the more cases you identify) the lower the CMR is likely to be.

It's probably only directly comparable between countries that have tested similar percentages of their population but in the absence of any other measure, it's as good as any.

We are a case in point. Back in the early days of the pandemic our CMR was as high as 3.84% based on the fact that we'd done very little testing and only had the severe cases. We've now done a lot of testing (20% of the adult population) and the CMR is down to below 1%. Interestingly, the USA has tested a similar percentage of their adult population (24%) but their CMR is still almost 3.6% and the UK has tested 26.5% for a CMR that is still above 15%.

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by russellw

It's deaths vs identified infections.

As I said earlier, it's a bit misleading really because the more testing you do (and therefore the more cases you identify) the lower the CMR is likely to be.

It's probably only directly comparable between countries that have tested similar percentages of their population but in the absence of any other measure, it's as good as any.
......

I have noticed in USA that CMR is no a really good comparitor between places, but can be good over time if things are stable, by things I mean the many subjectivities in the figures.
Did he die 'of' or 'with' test verified Covid ?
Did he die with symptoms like covid, but we never proved it ?

Did he get test verified 4 months ago and then 2weeks later test negative then die today ?
Did the 'for profit' hospital fudge the books to get more money ?
If say I am tested today and have it, then retest in 2w, still have it, then retest next day, still have it, the retest a week later and am clear - how many people am I, how many cases get recorded ?

[russellw]

466 new cases for Australia and 2 deaths so CMR drops to 0.993% and active cases rise to 4,221. NSW recorded 16 and the balance were in Victoria except for 1 in SA.

No new case and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.415% and active cases remain at 27.

The UK recorded 560 new cases and 79 deaths yesterday so the CMR drops to 15.352%.

Just over 67k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,119 deaths sees CMR down to 3.598% and active cases at 49.6% with the raw numbers still rising and passing the 2M mark. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global cases set a new daily high of 261,894 (a rise of 5%) and that will go higher when all the numbers are in;
The USA completes 50M and Germany 7M tests;
North America and Europe both pass 200K deaths;
Asia sets a new high for daily cases with 72,660;
South America sets a new high for daily cases with 76,992;

El Salvador (393), Venezuela (443), Israel (2,043), Argentina (5,782), India (45,599) and Brazil (60,982) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

Was about to post saying that with attitudes like the below, it's no wonder the authorities are having trouble keeping things under control once a hot spot appears.

I just don't get it....

More than 200 people supposed to be under self-quarantine in Queensland have vanished, with most suspected of giving false contact details at the border.

Just another example of how today's society doesn't respect authority.

People look at the statistics, 99.7% survival rate. And then wonder why bother. That's why.

That, and covid fatigue. People are just over it and are willing to take their chances.

Don't shoot the messenger.


But people who are confirmed to have it, and then don't isolate, and willingly spread it around are scumbags.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

People look at the statistics, 99.7% survival rate. And then wonder why bother. That's why.

That, and covid fatigue. People are just over it and are willing to take their chances.

Don't shoot the messenger.


But people who are confirmed to have it, and then don't isolate, and willingly spread it around are scumbags.

So, any of those reasons make it ok to blatantly lie to an authority just so that you can do whatever you feel like whilst the authorities are trying to control an epidemic?

I must have been raised with a different morale compass than some.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

So, any of those reasons make it ok to blatantly lie to an authority just so that you can do whatever you feel like whilst the authorities are trying to control an epidemic?

I must have been raised with a different morale compass than some.

Where did I say it was ok? Really have no idea how you managed to make that silly assumption from what I said

I just gave reasons why some people would no longer care. I didn't say anything about my own views.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Where did I say it was ok? Really have no idea how you managed to make that silly assumption from what I said

I just gave reasons why some people would no longer care. I didn't say anything about my own views.

Not that I want to drag this on unnecessarily, but I didn't actually say in my post that I thought you said it was ok.

However, I did think your reply implied it. If I misunderstood that, then apologies.

I just can't fathom as to how any of the reasons you provided would sit ok with someone as a reason to blatantly lie to get around a border closure and risk spreading the virus. That comment is not aimed at you, boss, but those who did lie.

[Fed]

Thanks Russell.

[russellw]

That also raises another interesting point about Australia. We have been doing a lot of testing recently but we still have one of the highest test:case ratio in the world.

We test 282 people for every positive case (only NZ with 287 is higher) with the UK next highest at 46 and the USA at 12. The global average is 24.

There are a couple of other countries with higher ratios but they have generally done little testing or have very few cases.

It does probably highlight the inaccuracy of the Chinese numbers as they have only tested 6.5% of the population but have supposedly conducted over 1,000 tests per identified case.