Malaysian Airways Flight 370

[cheap]

2nd time lucky for the Chinese with a jab at Malaysia.

• Having incorrectly claimed their satellite had found wreckage in the Gulf of Thailand, the Chinese have shown revised satellite imagery with an object 22.5m x 13m positioned in the South Indian Ocean (just south of the new search area).
  
  
• Chinese also claim the transcript of conversation between the plane and ground control is not correct, but do not go into detail as to what is wrong.

This now appears to be a 'race to the bottom' (sorry for the pun) amongst countries trying to undo other countries claims. Nothing like a bit of national one-ups-man-ship during a search and rescue is there (sarc). Category One Cyclone forming off Christmas Island for good measure.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by cheap

2nd time lucky for the Chinese with a jab at Malaysia.

• Having incorrectly claimed their satellite had found wreckage in the Gulf of Thailand, the Chinese have shown revised satellite imagery with an object 22.5m x 13m positioned in the South Indian Ocean (just south of the new search area).
  
  
• Chinese also claim the transcript of conversation between the plane and ground control is not correct, but do not go into detail as to what is wrong.

This now appears to be a 'race to the bottom' (sorry for the pun) amongst countries trying to undo other countries claims. Nothing like a bit of national one-ups-man-ship during a search and rescue is there (sarc). Category One Cyclone forming off Christmas Island for good measure.

you're right re the race to the bottom and sadly we're involved too.
Shame as it achieves nothing other than showing how petty and high and mighty we can be as a country

[ltd]

One of my friends was recently on CNN being asked for an opinion. Sadly there is so much speculation by those who have very little idea as to what happened, it has clouded the issue significantly. Seems that journalists desperate for information are adding 2+2 and getting 5.
Compounding the issue, is the ridiculous release of information by the Malaysians who are desperate to save face. Each piece of information released is once disseminated filled with contradiction to the prior bit of info, or full of holes.

Pilots I have spoken to seem to form a very similar opinion, that is to say there seems to be consensus on an electromechanical problem on board such as an avionics fire, and the captain tried to divert to Pulau Langkawi. It has a 13000 foot runway and the left turn on a direct heading to Langkawi with an ocean approach seems to make sense. Flying over the Malaysian Peninsula can be dangerous in an aircraft of which the condition is deteriorating, as there are 8000 foot ranges to clear. Not a problem in the day, but on a dark night with no instruments it's too hazardous to mention.
Also, from the point of lost comms, Langkawi is closer.

I'm also disgusted at the lack of respect for the crew, who most likely died whilst heroically trying to save the lives of all those on board.
For the sake of all those souls on board, the crew and their families, I hope that we find the site and investigate the causes. Lets just hope the debris is not a lost shipping container.

[Madaya]

Chinese satellites spot new possible debris from missing plane
Fingers crossed on this one.
Very controversial for nations to be releasing these photographs/images.
I don't think these satellites were put up there to take pics of huge swaths of the
Indian Ocean. I wonder if the USA or Russia have targeted their spy sats to take
pics of the southern Indian Ocean?
Kind of heartening, that in a time of crisis at least, 'They shall beat the Swords into Plowshares' still rings true.

[XBROO]

With all these satellite picking up 20 plus meters of floating debris here and there, it makes you wonder how much rubbish is floating in the ocean. I can't help thinking if the plane was hijacked and is stored somewhere,are the hijackers just sitting back watching the world have a wild goose chase?

And if they are terrorist, are they going to strike while everybody's busy looking for the plane?

[cram_it_frog]

Ok every one out there do you rember Kelly's Heroes the movie in one scene there were talking about a bridge being up and working

Kelly said " POSITIVE THINKING is what we need here

you think the bridge is standing and it will

So what I want is every one out there with POSITIVE THOUGHTS

THIS IS THE WRECKAGE THIS IS THE WRECKAGE

Please and thank you

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by cram_it_frog

Ok every one out there do you rember Kelly's Heroes the movie in one scene there were talking about a bridge being up and working

Kelly said " POSITIVE THINKING is what we need here

you think the bridge is standing and it will

So what I want is every one out there with POSITIVE THOUGHTS

THIS IS THE WRECKAGE THIS IS THE WRECKAGE

Please and thank you

ok i'll give this a try . HERE GOES " CLOSE EYES, CEAR MIND , NOW REPEAT IN MY HEAD !!

" I HAVE A 10 INCH SCHLONG " " I HAVE A 10 INCH SCHLONG" "I HAVE A 10 INCH SCHLONG"

[Yellow_Festiva]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...age-gives-hope

An Australian plane has spotted small pieces of debris in the southern Indian Ocean but Prime Minister Tony Abbott says it's too early to be sure if they are from the missing Malaysia Airlines plane.

Mr Abbott gave an update on the search for Flight MH370 before leaving Papua New Guinea on Sunday morning.

Hours earlier China released a grainy March 18 satellite image of an object measuring 22.5 metres by 13 metres, just 120km from where possible wreckage was detected in the ocean two days earlier, about 2500km southwest of Perth.

The new Chinese satellite imagery suggests at least one large object, Mr Abbott said on Sunday.

"Yesterday one of our civilian search aircraft got visuals of a number of objects in a fairly small area in the overall Australian search zone," the prime minister told reporters.

A wooden pallet was among the items, he said.

"Obviously before we can be too specific about what it might be, we need to recover this material. It's still too early to be definite," he said.

Mr Abbott says there is increasing hope that authorities are on the road to discovering what happened to the ill-fated jet.

MH370, carrying 239 people including six Australians, dropped off civilian radar on March 8 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Two weeks later Malaysian investigators still believe it was "deliberately diverted" by someone on board.

Mr Abbott said four more aircraft - two Chinese and two Japanese planes - will join the Indian Ocean search on Sunday.

Question... would a wooden pallet be used in the cargo hold of a plane??

If it were, you would assume that something heavy were strapped it it. Meaning it would have sunk???

[gcg2503]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...age-gives-hope



Question... would a wooden pallet be used in the cargo hold of a plane??

If it were, you would assume that something heavy were strapped it it. Meaning it would have sunk???

300-400kmh+ impacts from high altitude tend to break straps.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by gcg2503

300-400kmh+ impacts from high altitude tend to break straps.

I think the straps would have broken the pallet before they themselves broke???

Also, if the pallet was visible from space, it must be a lightish colour. How long does it take for a floating item to start to develop slime and other gunk that tends to attach to and grow over anything floating in the water???

Whatever was seen floating probably wasn't in the water long enough to develop those growths.

[05_ENFORCER]

Pallets have been know to go over board, especially onboard some expo oil rigs ...............


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[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by 05_ENFORCER

Pallets have been know to go over board, especially onboard some expo oil rigs ...............
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Which is where I think this pallet has come from.

[Charliewool]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I think the straps would have broken the pallet before they themselves broke???

Also, if the pallet was visible from space, it must be a lightish colour. How long does it take for a floating item to start to develop slime and other gunk that tends to attach to and grow over anything floating in the water???

Whatever was seen floating probably wasn't in the water long enough to develop those growths.

Wasn't the rumoured 200Kgs of gold strapped to a pallet?

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Wasn't the rumoured 200Kgs of gold strapped to a pallet?

I wonder... would strapping 200kg of gold to a pallet be the first method that comes to mind for transportation???

200kg of gold is actually pretty compact... a quick online calculator tells me not much bigger than a full 10L bucket in volume.

Or half the size of a carry on bag for context.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...age-gives-hope



Question... would a wooden pallet be used in the cargo hold of a plane??

If it were, you would assume that something heavy were strapped it it. Meaning it would have sunk???

Transport of live animals on international flights has to be done inside wooden crates.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by ltd

Transport of live animals on international flights has to be done inside wooden crates.

I can understand the animals in crates. Do you know if wooden pallets are used to carry cargo?

[cram_it_frog]

wooden crates with vegtables ect are put into steel crates

that is what the news people say

but the entire area is full of rubbish that has fallen off ships so untill we can see the items then they say give a more positive answer

weather is expected to be up and down for some time so this is geeting frustating for every one

I know it has been said but the families i really feel for them

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I can understand the animals in crates. Do you know if wooden pallets are used to carry cargo?

I helped stack some wooden pallets we sent via air-freight to Dubai, so I guess they would be on planes.

[EASYBOSS]

Originally Posted by ltd

Transport of live animals on international flights has to be done inside wooden crates.

Bollocks, I flew our two dogs and a cat back from Aust to NZ, they were just in transport cages, no wooden crate or the cages in a wooden crate.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by EASYBOSS

Bollocks, I flew our two dogs and a cat back from Aust to NZ, they were just in transport cages, no wooden crate or the cages in a wooden crate.

I guess larger stuff like turtles, horses, wild animals for zoos etc would need something a little larger, hence the wooden crates.

[stazza]

Excuse my ignorance but I was under the impression that this day and age satellites could track anything in real time? As in watch any of that possible debris and track it so its easier to find. I also thought they could zoom in with more clarity than in the pictures? Too many movies I guess!

[ltd]

Originally Posted by EASYBOSS

Bollocks, I flew our two dogs and a cat back from Aust to NZ, they were just in transport cages, no wooden crate or the cages in a wooden crate.

Uh huh. And how long was the flight?
And considering most transport companies like Dogtainers etc have branches in both Australian cities and New Zealand I'm not surprised you could hire a crate.
The reason timber is used is because the crates are single use as they are cheaper, and they are destroyed at the other end as a matter of quarantine.
Whilst New Zealand may have a special dispensation with AQIS, I can guarantee you that all the crates I've seen with live animals going into the hold of the 777 are wooden.

[EASYBOSS]

Originally Posted by ltd

Uh huh. And how long was the flight?
And considering most transport companies like Dogtainers etc have branches in both Australian cities and New Zealand I'm not surprised you could hire a crate.
The reason timber is used is because the crates are single use as they are cheaper, and they are destroyed at the other end as a matter of quarantine.
Whilst New Zealand may have a special dispensation with AQIS, I can guarantee you that all the crates I've seen with live animals going into the hold of the 777 are wooden.

3.5 hours, about 5 years ago, did not hire the containers, I had to buy them, they were plastic, still have them stored under the house. So no single use wooden crate.

We were on the same flight as our animals, and could see them in the plastic cages from the plane on the tarmac just before they were loaded in, they were not very happy at that stage.

So I don't believe you are correct, dogs and cages only took an hour to pass quarantine in NZ, anyway, probably of no relevance to MH 370

[Motorbreath310]

Originally Posted by ltd

Uh huh. And how long was the flight?
And considering most transport companies like Dogtainers etc have branches in both Australian cities and New Zealand I'm not surprised you could hire a crate.
The reason timber is used is because the crates are single use as they are cheaper, and they are destroyed at the other end as a matter of quarantine.
Whilst New Zealand may have a special dispensation with AQIS, I can guarantee you that all the crates I've seen with live animals going into the hold of the 777 are wooden.

My mother uses Dogtainers quite frequently to ship dogs between AU and NZ. Our dogs (bulldogs) have always been shipped in plastic crates. Apparently wooden ones are used for larger varieties.

[Charliewool]

Just on this wooden pallet sighting.... There are up to 10,000 (that's TEN thousand)shipping containers lost at sea each year... how MANY pallets do you reckon are also floating the globe?

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Just on this wooden pallet sighting.... There are up to 10,000 (that's TEN thousand)shipping containers lost at sea each year... how MANY pallets do you reckon are also floating the globe?

I'd heard a similar number mentioned a few years ago from someone in the shipping industry.....

Probably explains the rising sea levels, not Global Warming

[nstg8a]

Aircraft use big steel cages that are shaped to fill the hold, it's very common for wooden pallets to be placed inside these cages.

I wonder how much rena wreckage has floated it way over there.... They lost a boatload of containers

[CoupeKing]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/201...to-mh370-pilot

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ty-checks.html

News filtering through now that the mystery phone call the Pilot received just before take off, the person used a fake identity to purchase the sim card.

[martinijosh]

Originally Posted by stazza

Excuse my ignorance but I was under the impression that this day and age satellites could track anything in real time? As in watch any of that possible debris and track it so its easier to find. I also thought they could zoom in with more clarity than in the pictures? Too many movies I guess!

Definitely too many movies.

[mcnews]

Satellites are on a pre set rotation, different satellites have different jobs, some can pick up electronic signatures, some do other things etc. They can only view/detect etc. while they are overhead that particular part of the earth, this is quite often a window only a matter of minutes long. Further to that, everyone knows where these satellites are, and when they will be overhead in each area of the earth, thus you can avoid satellites. Thus you know that satellite with ELINT capability will be overhead between 1205 and 1215 and turn off your electronics for that period of time then turn them back on etc. etc.