Covid 19 -

[Franco Cozzo]

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...21-p54cky.html

Updates on the National Cabinet from Scomo

Prime Minister Scott Morrison was asked if other retail businesses like hairdressers would have to close.

He responded that the closures would only be enforced on the places of social gathering that he had specifically outlined.

Those are:

Pubs
Clubs
Cinemas
Casinos
Places of worship
Nightclubs
Entertainment venues
Gyms and indoor sporting venues
Cafes and restaurants will be restricted to takeaway only
Funeral homes will have to enforce strict social distancing of four square metres

Questions remaining over VIC/NSW closures.

[blue sleeper]

Originally Posted by wodahs

three hrs ago pm had had a broadcast stating they were looking at going big
now hes had another and hasnt gone as hard as he was suggesting he would and as long as its a take away shop its ok to stay open for now just cant drink on site

I guess he could always pour vodka over himself....

[Citroënbender]

I’ll supply the ice. “PM On The Rocks”

[wodahs]

to me the interesting part will be how the domino affect caries on though out the community
the borders are closing if not already closed so mine workers from other states will find it harder as time goes on to fly in and out and non essential travel wont continue
so to me less general goods will need to travel too and there would also be less turn over of cash in the general community so people wont spend as much on say retail businesses like hairdressers or such

wonder if bunnings ends up closed any time soon

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Maybe he heard the dole has been doubled ($550 per week) and there's also 2X $750 payments coming!?? Wouldn't blame him for not wanting to go to work!

some facts are available here rather than the dribble some come out with trying to stir up trouble...
https://www.news.com.au/finance/econ...6964c4a9a0be59

[BENT_8]

Im struggling to understand Scomo's stance on schools.

He suggests that Children are at a lower risk of complications but that doesn't mean having 30kids in a classroom cant be a source of transmission from one family to another whom otherwise may never come in to contact.
Secondly, he suggest that kids would lose a year, whilst this is true, its not the end of the world. When I went through school here in SA you graduated yr12 at the age of 17, somewhere along the line they changed the age of transition from preschool to primary school and now yr12 graduates are 18, so taking ALL children out of schools now will just mean children in SA would then turn 19 in yr12.
I think there is greater harm to be done by allowing parents to make their own decisions as it will create a divide between those children who stay home and miss the next few months of schooling and those who continue on.
I understand the Governments concerns with the effects on parents, especially those in health care and support their desire to provide somewhere for their children to be to allow them to stay on the front line, but surely this could be done through the avenue of programs like OSHC (Out of School Hours Care) whereby mainstream education ceases and modified programs are run to keep the attending children occupied and then schooling to resume for all children when deemed safe for ALL involved.
This isolates children and families who don't need unnecessary exposure regardless of the risk whilst maintaining the ability for healthcare workers to fight on.

[aussiblue]

After the sports grants fiasco can we trust scumo? Now about the promises of bushfire recovery fund https://www.facebook.com/VicMemeMast...742592481/?t=2 where did that go?

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

Reports from overseas suggest goo/diesel pumps have been a super spreader of COVID-19. Please keep this in mind next time you're at the pump, and take precautions.

Would love to see one of these actual confirmed eports as so far all I've received is several of those dodgy warnings not unlike the 'as of tomorrow Facebook owns everything you've posted' style ones stating this.

[cheap]

This is what I see happening and it is really a bad situation.

The feds all along have been very slow to react, their focus has primarily been to look at the massive economic impacts a nationwide shutdown would impose, their health experts do not operate a single hospital. Instead literally throwing money at the problem. Secondary has been the medical issue.

Whilst the states are bearing the brunt of a medical emergency, they operate the hospitals and these facilities and staff are being smashed. Hence many of the states have said enough is enough! We’re implementing lockdowns, shops, schools, sports everything non essential.

This major disconnect between the two became evident on Sunday afternoon when ScoMo was caught on the back foot by Vic and NSW decisions.

ScoMo’s response to the states, a half hearted lockdown and a passing shot at the states, basically if the states decided to implement a lockdown they do so at their own risk and they will be contributing to the huge economic hit to Australia, and btw the increase in active cases is because people aren’t succinctly obeying our social distancing rules.

Trying to figure out this mess, leads me to conclude that the feds position is that not enough people have died to warrant a national shutdown.

[xxx000]

It's so easy to be critical yet this is an evolving situation that requires so many factors to be considered including the fact that much of the population ignores your directions anyway.

[Franco Cozzo]

Ford, GM and Tesla factories to manufacture ventilators

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...366482944?s=19

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by xxx000

It's so easy to be critical yet this is an evolving situation that requires so many factors to be considered including the fact that much of the population ignores your directions anyway.

Agreed, so many armchair hero's have their 2 cents, I dont envy being a pollie right now.

The school thing is interesting, if you think things are tough now once/if school stops then hold on because your available workforce will nearly halve.

[superyob]

Originally Posted by Franco Cozzo

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...21-p54cky.html

Updates on the National Cabinet from Scomo



Questions remaining over VIC/NSW closures.

Where will the dirty old men hold their weekly meetings now Big D? Did Scomo even take that into consideration???

[superyob]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Im struggling to understand Scomo's stance on schools.

He suggests that Children are at a lower risk of complications but that doesn't mean having 30kids in a classroom cant be a source of transmission from one family to another whom otherwise may never come in to contact.
Secondly, he suggest that kids would lose a year, whilst this is true, its not the end of the world. When I went through school here in SA you graduated yr12 at the age of 17, somewhere along the line they changed the age of transition from preschool to primary school and now yr12 graduates are 18, so taking ALL children out of schools now will just mean children in SA would then turn 19 in yr12.
I think there is greater harm to be done by allowing parents to make their own decisions as it will create a divide between those children who stay home and miss the next few months of schooling and those who continue on.
I understand the Governments concerns with the effects on parents, especially those in health care and support their desire to provide somewhere for their children to be to allow them to stay on the front line, but surely this could be done through the avenue of programs like OSHC (Out of School Hours Care) whereby mainstream education ceases and modified programs are run to keep the attending children occupied and then schooling to resume for all children when deemed safe for ALL involved.
This isolates children and families who don't need unnecessary exposure regardless of the risk whilst maintaining the ability for healthcare workers to fight on.

Possibly a purely economic decision? Imagine the bill for all those idle teachers...

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by superyob

Where will the dirty old men hold their weekly meetings now Big D? Did Scomo even take that into consideration???

The dirty old man/degenerate club is mostly on hold - just about all of our venues are closed

Got credits on my Brisbane trip from QANTAS - can reuse when this calms down.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by superyob

Possibly a purely economic decision? Imagine the bill for all those idle teachers...

Paying them anyway and they could still be contributing by running the programs I mentioned.

Just to clarify my own position, if they close the Schools I'm out of a job, that's a significant economic hit to us but on the positive side it eliminates 2 sources of possible contact with the virus, firstly I wouldn't come in contact with the children of 9 families directly any of whom could in their daily lives come in contact with it.
Secondly, if I wasn't in this position I'd seriously consider taking my kids out of school to again reduce the avenues to contracting it and in doing so help prevent my Wife coming down with it and unsuspectingly taking it to her workplace.
I can't justify eliminating this possible source whilst I'm still exposed to the former and it would also see my children disadvantaged in terms of education compared to those who continue on under Scomo's current guidelines.

[Cav]

Hydroxochloroquine

Would Trump lie?

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by cheap

This is what I see happening and it is really a bad situation.

The feds all along have been very slow to react, their focus has primarily been to look at the massive economic impacts a nationwide shutdown would impose, their health experts do not operate a single hospital. Instead literally throwing money at the problem. Secondary has been the medical issue.

Whilst the states are bearing the brunt of a medical emergency, they operate the hospitals and these facilities and staff are being smashed. Hence many of the states have said enough is enough! We’re implementing lockdowns, shops, schools, sports everything non essential.

This major disconnect between the two became evident on Sunday afternoon when ScoMo was caught on the back foot by Vic and NSW decisions.

ScoMo’s response to the states, a half hearted lockdown and a passing shot at the states, basically if the states decided to implement a lockdown they do so at their own risk and they will be contributing to the huge economic hit to Australia, and btw the increase in active cases is because people aren’t succinctly obeying our social distancing rules.

Trying to figure out this mess, leads me to conclude that the feds position is that not enough people have died to warrant a national shutdown.

I get the feeling that whilst Scomo is obviously concerned about us, he's equally in survival mode of his own position and is now pointing to the populations actions to justify any further action.
We made him do it.

[Franco Cozzo]

Strong message from Daniel Andrews

Pretty much no entertainment/hospitality/fitness venues.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Cav

Hydroxochloroquine

Would Trump lie?

Never known him to lie in the past.

[Cav]

Originally Posted by cs123

Never known him to lie in the past.

Eggsacery, but what about the present?

[cheap]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

I get the feeling that whilst Scomo is obviously concerned about us, he's equally in survival mode of his own position and is now pointing to the populations actions to justify any further action.
We made him do it.

For sure he is in survival mode, the state premiers challenged his authority and much of the rest of world has taken a different trajectory to ScoMo. How effective will social distancing be? IMO not very effective. Stage 1 today, Stage 2 coming soon.

As for no evidence about kids being carriers, I mean WTF??? Kids have the same physiological makeup as the rest of us.

I have 2 ”kids” currently suspended from physically attending university and the other attending school in year 10 - so which of the three is at greater risk?

ScoMo had previously used Singapore as evidence of keeping schools open, but conveniently doesn’t mention that Singapore immediately closed its borders and they have a small handful of manageable virus cases to deal with, so yes their schools are open.

[cs123]

Originally Posted by Cav

Eggsacery, but what about the present?

try it and report back

[Cav]

Originally Posted by cheap

As for no evidence about kids being carriers, I mean WTF??? Kids have the same physiological makeup as the rest of us.

I have 2 ”kids” currently suspended from physically attending university and the other attending school in year 10 - so which of the three is at greater risk?

AHPPC does not support the closure of schools given the lack of evidence of significant disease in children and the lack of reported major disease spreading in schools. Furthermore, the closure of schools poses a major risk to children's education, mental health and wellbeing, particularly those from low socioeconomic regions, where schools provide an important environment for nurturing and learning. The impact on the critical workforce and potential exposure of elderly relatives caring for children is also of significance. School closure would achieve some degree of additional social distancing but the evidence of its benefit at this stage is minimal. AHPPC views schools as an essential service and strongly supports keeping schools open.

https://www.health.gov.au/news/austr...-22-march-2020

[Cav]

Originally Posted by cs123

try it and report back

I see what you are trying to do there.

I am in the 'at risk' group and there is a chance I could cark it.

Bastard.

[DOC]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Paying them anyway and they could still be contributing by running the programs I mentioned.

Just to clarify my own position, if they close the Schools I'm out of a job, that's a significant economic hit to us but on the positive side it eliminates 2 sources of possible contact with the virus, firstly I wouldn't come in contact with the children of 9 families directly any of whom could in their daily lives come in contact with it.
Secondly, if I wasn't in this position I'd seriously consider taking my kids out of school to again reduce the avenues to contracting it and in doing so help prevent my Wife coming down with it and unsuspectingly taking it to her workplace.
I can't justify eliminating this possible source whilst I'm still exposed to the former and it would also see my children disadvantaged in terms of education compared to those who continue on under Scomo's current guidelines.

Possibly a purely economic decision? Imagine the bill for all those idle teachers...

They are supporting the rest of Australia ? the teachers would be a drop in the ocean.

My daughter is a primary teacher and for those with skin in the game know it's a nightmare at schools at the moment.

They have no way to keep 500 little kids apart at the moment at any one time, the kids simply are too young to get the distancing thing.

They also report no sanitiser in the classrooms, so while the parents in most cases are home there are throngs of kids now running around together and then possibly bringing and or taking home C19

I think the reasoning behind keeping schools home is to allow parents needed in essential services to get to work and so they do not stay home.

So while it is difficult these teachers are also the front line in the battle we also face. I know my daughter does not feel safe now attending school given the difficulty in trying to get these kids organised and the given risks.

We then to compound that have other family members that have medical/respiratory problems compounding this problem.

So if you see a teacher out there on the front line try and understand how hard and upsetting it is for these poor buggers right now.

I think they are trying to get those kids who can stay home to stay home and at least some sanitiser for those remaining plus more, but with the speed of changes it has not been an easy ride for everybody including our teachers.

[Poetic Justice]

Personally quite frustrated at the lack of cohesion between State & Fed govts - they ought to be on the same page whether rightly or wrongly.

From 3:30pm yesterday afternoon to 9:30pm the Vic govt announcing plans to shut down and then back pedalling at the behest of the PM is wildly unprofessional (lack of a better term) and smashing confidence in people.

[Polyal]

Originally Posted by Poetic Justice

Personally quite frustrated at the lack of cohesion between State & Fed govts - they ought to be on the same page whether rightly or wrongly.

From 3:30pm yesterday afternoon to 9:30pm the Vic govt announcing plans to shut down and then back pedalling at the behest of the PM is wildly unprofessional (lack of a better term) and smashing confidence in people.

Have any Liberal states broken ranks.....

From what I gather Fed and State did meet to discuss the latest measures, seems cohesive enough given the situation.

[Fed]

If they leave the schools open can't the parents simply decide to keep their kids at home?

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Polyal

From what I gather Fed and State did meet to discuss the latest measures, seems cohesive enough given the situation.

The govt (state and fed) are under no obligation to fill the public in on the minutes of every meeting they have. Just because it isn't reported in the news, doesn't mean it didn't happen. There is nearly always an agenda with mainstream media (and social media) and sticking up for the govt is never it. Its always trying to tear it down or belittle it. Thats fact. The sheeple then jump on board.

Scomo, like any govt, is just a mouthpiece at the end of the day. The decisions are worked out by those in the meetings and he gets to deliver the news to the public.

Then the public just ignore it and do their own thing creating a mixture of panic and blaze attitudes.