Covid 19 -

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

LOL Americold conspiracy now appearing. So NZ suspect their 2nd wave could be linked to the Americold storage site in Wellington. Our Americold storage facility in Laverton has had a couple of cases. Apparently no link between the two. Would be interesting to know if our meat works supply chain has any touch points. Is it time to do what China has done, make food exporters prove that their produce are "virus free", or is it still too early to call? Do we rely much on food imports?

Kung Flu vs Ameri Cold. Can't make this stuff up.

The director of health in NZ is saying that it is very unlikely to be the cause of the out break here , so far the gene code testing is saying all the cases are from the first family they picked up but they're unable to find where its originated from?

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by PooDog

The director of health in NZ is saying that it is very unlikely to be the cause of the out break here , so far the gene code testing is saying all the cases are from the first family they picked up but they're unable to find where its originated from?

I thought one of the original 4 worked at the warehouse, and I thought I read one of them had contact with up to 300 people, which triggered the panic, and hence straight back into lock down. Otherwise what triggered the testing at the site? Ack my brain hurts thinking about the possibilities.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Mr_G6ET

Similar to NZ suspicion(s):
Novel coronavirus detected on imported frozen chicken wings from Brazil

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1197607.shtml

Change topic:
First dog to test positive for COVID-19 in North Carolina dies

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dog-test-p...ry?id=72322728

Poor doggy. In the very early days they detected CV in pet cats and dogs in HK. They were linked to owners who had severe cases of CV. I asked my vet about the risks. He said animals carry corona viruses all the time (not sure if it is the same strains), but there is no evidence that it can jump from dogs or cats to humans. In some countries people have been euthanising their pets due to fear of them passing on CV. Grrrrr. Becareful who you tell. When I told my dad this he started spraying the dog with Glen 20...WTF!

Originally Posted by HIPO

https://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/...eath_Guide.pdf

Gotta like the "Assumed " covid death part... wonder how many have been marked down like that.............

I wonder how this differs from other forms of disease. If CV is the cause of early death then yeh it makes sense to include the numbers.

In the UK they took an even more extreme (flawed) approach. If you tested positive for CV, you go into a database. They compare the database daily with another database that records people who have passed away. If you appear on both database within a 3 week period, then you are considered to have died from CV. This means, if you tested positive for CV today, then got hit by a bus in 3 weeks time, you still counted as a CV death. They only recently recognised the flaw, and have started a recount. Not sure what sort of difference in numbers it made.

[gooseneck]

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/v...20-8?r=US&IR=T

I've been taking Vitamin D for a few years now. Can't tell you how much more active and productive and full of energy its made me.

Might be a good idea for you guys to pick up a bottle and start taking it? Its practically everywhere and no need for a script.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by gooseneck

Might be a good idea for you guys to pick up a bottle and start taking it? Its practically everywhere and no need for a script.

True, I use the cheap method, sunlight.

[PhilT2]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

True, I use the cheap method, sunlight.

Lots of people are Vit D deficient, but there's some dispute over what the right level should be. Normally 15min of sunlight with your shirt off is enough.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by PhilT2

Normally 15min of sunlight with your shirt off is enough.

Does this also apply to the ladies?

Originally Posted by GasoLane

True, I use the cheap method, sunlight.

Well... not much cheap vitamin D available down Melbourne way lately. Will have to wait a few more weeks to get our shirts off.

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Now we need to see how the duty manager infected the security guards.

Apparently, some + was going on inside the hotels.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by GasoLane

True, I use the cheap method, sunlight.

And funnily enough, never really an issue in previous generations...

[ute83]

Originally Posted by gooseneck

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/v...20-8?r=US&IR=T

I've been taking Vitamin D for a few years now. Can't tell you how much more active and productive and full of energy its made me.

Might be a good idea for you guys to pick up a bottle and start taking it? Its practically everywhere and no need for a script.

Careful, you might be fitted for a tin foil hat if you keep that up.

[gooseneck]

Originally Posted by ute83

Careful, you might be fitted for a tin foil hat if you keep that up.

I'm just looking to help people. Genuinely helpful and nice person (when not abused or intimidated).

I can't see how a plug for Vitamin D would in any way make me any money and I'm not entirely sure if people out there are getting enough, I mean unless you work outdoors with a shirt off I don't think we get enough, quite a few people spend most of the time watching tv or in front of a computer or inside a shed.

You can act like a tool and pretend that the only Vitamin D you need is free and comes from the sun or you can face the facts that most people don't work outdoors with their shirt off and want to post on a forum about how manly they are to other men. Or you can just grow up and pop a pill.

It could very well be that a deficiency in Vitamin D could be the thing behind most peoples depression anxiety and anger toward others and I was hoping to help people with that. and now it looks like from that article that I posted that there might be a link between a higher mortality and Vitamin D deficiency. I honestly don't see how what I'm doing is in anyway evil. I personally have had great results.

I mean sure if I start acting like a supplement plugger then please feel free to whack me one, until then hold your horses.

and thanks for the warning! Have a good night.

[ford71V8]

Originally Posted by gooseneck

I'm just looking to help people. Genuinely helpful and nice person (when not abused or intimidated).

I can't see how a plug for Vitamin D would in any way make me any money and I'm not entirely sure if people out there are getting enough, I mean unless you work outdoors with a shirt off I don't think we get enough, quite a few people spend most of the time watching tv or in front of a computer or inside a shed.

You can act like a tool and pretend that the only Vitamin D you need is free and comes from the sun or you can face the facts that most people don't work outdoors with their shirt off and want to post on a forum about how manly they are to other men. Or you can just grow up and pop a pill.

It could very well be that a deficiency in Vitamin D could be the thing behind most peoples depression anxiety and anger toward others and I was hoping to help people with that. and now it looks like from that article that I posted that there might be a link between a higher mortality and Vitamin D deficiency. I honestly don't see how what I'm doing is in anyway evil. I personally have had great results.

I mean sure if I start acting like a supplement plugger then please feel free to whack me one, until then hold your horses.

and thanks for the warning! Have a good night.

For reference I work in an office thorugh the day but am always outside, shorts singlet and thongs every time possible and the weather allows it.
With a half decent tan my Vit D number was almost none existent, zero.
I started using tablets to get a number and should really keep taking them but somehow got out the habit.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by ford71V8

For reference I work in an office thorugh the day but am always outside, shorts singlet and thongs every time possible and the weather allows it.
With a half decent tan my Vit D number was almost none existent, zero.
I started using tablets to get a number and should really keep taking them but somehow got out the habit.

Same scenario here except I avoid outside like the plague, the only time I go outside is from my door to the car then my car to the office door, I'm virtually a vampire but my vitamin D levels are good and I don't take supliments

My most pressing problem is I'm losing me hair at a rate of knots but not gaining wrinkles fast enough to pull off the shaved head look without looking like a neo Nazi

Baby face with a shaved head isn't a great look

[five 7]

Just another comedy of errors with NZ govt handling of this, can't work out were outbreak comes from yet we find out last night, just under two thirds of isolation staff have never been tested.
https ://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/nearly-two-thirds-of-nz-s-covid-19-border-isolation-staff-had-never-been-tested-a-week-ago.htmltested
Would have thought it was a given that they (iso staff) had weekly tests at least. T3 the Americold warehouse is in Auckland, i think that was a bit of straw clutching /smoke screen, thinking it was coming in on frozen products. My son had very brief contact with front of house of another company with a Covid case, we have had one phone call from that company which was very vague, test maybe if you feel sick no contact yet from Govtco. NZ Govt can't find Covid leak yet boarders are still open, there were reports yesterday that more plane loads of non english speaking people showing up no masks and no distancing, showing up at iso hotels, talk about shooting yourself in the foot multiple times. Our boarders need to be locked off to all incoming till they figure out what went wrong not adding to the problem.

[T3rminator]

So the quarantine outbreak may not have started with the security firm at all....its looking like it was a hotel employed night duty manager, who then passed it on to the security guards. hmmmm.

Now we need to see how the duty manager infected the security guards. If it is shown that the security guards are not to blame, this is going to get very embarrassing, if not already.

Patient zero for Victoria's second wave was not a security guard
https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...13-p55li3.html

[rods falcon]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

So the quarantine outbreak may not have started with the security firm at all....its looking like it was a hotel employed night duty manager, who then passed it on to the security guards. hmmmm.

Now we need to see how the duty manager infected the security guards. If it is shown that the security guards are not to blame, this is going to get very embarrassing, if not already.

Patient zero for Victoria's second wave was not a security guard
https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...13-p55li3.html

Sounds very much like a scape goat to me. How come this information didn't come out when the security guards were first discussed? And on the same day that the health minister is relieved of her responsibility in regards to the quarantine program.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by rods falcon

Sounds very much like a scape goat to me. How come this information didn't come out when the security guards were first discussed? And on the same day that the health minister is relieved of her responsibility in regards to the quarantine program.

I dunno, so we need to wait for the investigation to complete. Why did the information not come out initially? I think this is partly due to "you believe what you expect". Large sections of MSMs were looking for anything and everything they could use to stitch up the current gov. Did anyone ask? Did anyone speak to the security guards? The info allegedly came from emails, so it wouldn't have been made public anyhow.
I have a sneaky feeling the gov knew about this, hence they quickly set up an independent inquiry, rather than going tit for tat. Without an inquiry these emails may not have been accessible. I'm only guessing.

A bit surprised to hear of Jenny's demotion, although I think she has been the weakest link. Starting from when she said "we handled it perfectly" on the meat works outbreak. But who am I to judge.

[prydey]

i don't watch news myself, but on another forum some members were discussing how much editing happens on the nightly news on most tv networks.

These people have been watching the full media conferences each day by Premier Dan and have been impressed with his handling of the fishing journo's, then watch the ch7 news version of it and realised its heavily edited and paints a very different picture of the premier.

Not sure if it was a one off, or a regular thing, but sounds typical to me. They don't care who they burn to try to create 'drama'.

Cam Smith (NRL) got burned in the same way by ch9, with their selective editing of video.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by five 7

Just another comedy of errors with NZ govt handling of this, can't work out were outbreak comes from yet we find out last night, just under two thirds of isolation staff have never been tested.
https ://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/nearly-two-thirds-of-nz-s-covid-19-border-isolation-staff-had-never-been-tested-a-week-ago.htmltested
Would have thought it was a given that they (iso staff) had weekly tests at least. T3 the Americold warehouse is in Auckland, i think that was a bit of straw clutching /smoke screen, thinking it was coming in on frozen products. My son had very brief contact with front of house of another company with a Covid case, we have had one phone call from that company which was very vague, test maybe if you feel sick no contact yet from Govtco. NZ Govt can't find Covid leak yet boarders are still open, there were reports yesterday that more plane loads of non english speaking people showing up no masks and no distancing, showing up at iso hotels, talk about shooting yourself in the foot multiple times. Our boarders need to be locked off to all incoming till they figure out what went wrong not adding to the problem.

you just sit and watch these highly paid professionals and pollies from all countries make basic failures in procedures that the average worker understands ...all similar mistakes yet they cant learn from them probably because they all think theyre better than that country

with the election looming over here you get the shock jocks on talk back winding everyone up with all the political conspiracies , and stirring the fear up with the public , you get people ringing up with anxiety issues , women near in tears thinking if the kids get covid the government will split families up and put the kids in isolation , quite sad that theres people out there that think theyre in a third world country and even worse that so called broadcasters dont put there mind at ease

Fills in another boring day driving trucks yesterday they were winding everyone up that we'll be going into level 4 lockdown and all the businesses will fold , today its the government conspiracy to not lock the place down so they can get re-elected .....total flip flop

[George V]

If there is no controversy then it is not news. Qld and WA got a beating about their border closing for a while but now it all gone quiet.

If anyone think politics is not in play, specially in case of Vic?

I hope politicians can start looking at what more can be done now rather than point scoring..

Regards,
George V

[russellw]

231 new cases for Australia and 9 deaths sees the CMR rise to 1.615% but active cases drop to 8,996. NSW recorded 12 cases and WA 2 with the balance in Victoria.

10 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 1.385% and active cases rise to 36.

No update from the UK overnight.

Just under 54.5k new cases in the USA yesterday and 1,386 deaths sees CMR down to 3.155% and active cases at 44.4% with the raw numbers dropping slightly. Note that the USA is actually minus one day due to time differences.

Other notable points:
Global new cases pass 21M, the last 1M taking only 3 days;
The USA completes 68M and NZ 500k tests;
Asia recorded a record high for new cases with 94,122;

Tunisia (67), Syria (105), Albania (154), Costa Rica (1,072), Ethiopia (1,086), Romania (1,454), Ukraine (1,592) and Iraq (3,841) all recorded new daily highs, those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

[russellw]

Two charts for today looking at the growth rate of new cases and deaths globally.

[MITCHAY]

FFS when does the seasonal flu overwhelm the hospitals. Why can't people understand that simple fact?

We don't have a huge problem here because we have prepared for it and put in measures to prevent it.

[zilo]

Originally Posted by MITCHAY

FFS when does the seasonal flu overwhelm the hospitals. Why can't people understand that simple fact?

Having a flu vaccine helps.......

[MITCHAY]

Originally Posted by zilo

Having a flu vaccine helps.......

Yes it does. I actually got one for the first time this year.

Never bothered before but thought it would be a good time to do it given this whole mess. One less thing to worry about.

Only mistake is I got the shot in my dominant arm because that was the closest to the nurse and thought nothing of it but it was sore for a couple of days after that.

Nothing big but next time I will do the other arm

[ute83]

When exactly did the covid overwhelm the health system? Do you know how many contract the flu every year. Do you know how many people died of the flu last year? Or even this year?

[russellw]

Originally Posted by ute83

When exactly did the covid overwhelm the health system? Do you know how many contract the flu every year. Do you know how many people died of the flu last year? Or even this year?

It didn't in this country thanks to (1) the way it was managed by the various governments even if they didn't do a perfect job (2) the fact that we were fairly quickly able to ramp up ICU capacity and (3) the fact that we had decent amounts of ICU capacity to start with.

Italy, Spain, Belgium and the UK are three of the countries whose health systems did get overloaded in the early phases and one of the consequences of that was a higher than average CMR - and not just by a little with the UK over 15%, Italy at 14%, Belgium at 13% and Spain at 7%.

Estimates for the number of flu cases globally vary as it's often not reported or even reportable but the generally quoted figure is 700-800M cases; 3-5M serious cases and 300K deaths. Just as an FYI that's a 0.04% CMR (based on 700M) which is way below the CMR even in Australia for COVID19. I actually posted the Australian figures (where it is reportable) several pages back but here is a summary of 2019 -

2019 was a bad Influenza year in Australia with 310k diagnosed cases and 804 deaths which is a CMR of 0.27% (COVID19 is 1.6% in Australia currently) but the diagnosed cases only represent a fraction of the total case numbers anyway.

[Charliewool]

A BILLION dollars per death?
https://youtu.be/XrDZec8-X3Q

[ute83]

Thanks russellw, I already knew what the numbers were. I put the question to the other member. I guess the covid deaths would be overstated and the flu deaths understated. Argue all you like covid is a flu a sars actually. Perhaps one could say that it is a touch more contagious and deadly. Still 800 odd deaths from the flu and nobody blinks an eye. And this happens every year. Strange....

[five 7]

As NZ Govt seems "unable" to find the source of latest Covid infection, so i'll make up a hypothetical scenario how about the 20 year old girlfriend of a gang 501 depotee (Who has Covid) some how breaks in his quarantine facility at night for a meet and greet, (these are Hotels not Prisons) some how this poor beneficiary and her child ends up with a wad of cash then does a tour of the North Island staying at a high end $$ Rotorua resort and doing every attraction in town, plus Taupo lake cruise, and because of who she associates with she would not be very cooperative with the Police in interviews. The End..

[Tassie f100]

Originally Posted by five 7

As NZ Govt seems "unable" to find the source of latest Covid infection, so i'll make up a hypothetical scenario how about the 20 year old girlfriend of a gang 501 depotee (Who has Covid) some how breaks in his quarantine facility at night for a meet and greet, (these are Hotels not Prisons) some how this poor beneficiary and her child ends up with a wad of cash then does a tour of the North Island staying at a high end $$ Rotorua resort and doing every attraction in town, plus Taupo lake cruise, and because of who she associates with she would not be very cooperative with the Police in interviews. The End..

You could get a job on Trumps media team,by making up stories like that.