Malaysian Airways Flight 370

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by cheap

2nd time lucky for the Chinese with a jab at Malaysia.

• Having incorrectly claimed their satellite had found wreckage in the Gulf of Thailand, the Chinese have shown revised satellite imagery with an object 22.5m x 13m positioned in the South Indian Ocean (just south of the new search area).
  
  
• Chinese also claim the transcript of conversation between the plane and ground control is not correct, but do not go into detail as to what is wrong.

This now appears to be a 'race to the bottom' (sorry for the pun) amongst countries trying to undo other countries claims. Nothing like a bit of national one-ups-man-ship during a search and rescue is there (sarc). Category One Cyclone forming off Christmas Island for good measure.

you're right re the race to the bottom and sadly we're involved too.
Shame as it achieves nothing other than showing how petty and high and mighty we can be as a country

[ltd]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/...age-gives-hope



Question... would a wooden pallet be used in the cargo hold of a plane??

If it were, you would assume that something heavy were strapped it it. Meaning it would have sunk???

Transport of live animals on international flights has to be done inside wooden crates.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by xxx000

you're right re the race to the bottom and sadly we're involved too.
Shame as it achieves nothing other than showing how petty and high and mighty we can be as a country

Not really, where the suspected debris is located is inside the Australian search and rescue zone, so it's actually our international obligation to head the search.
We've actually been very diplomatic about it and unlike the previous search near Malaysia, our efforts have not upset any other country - quite the opposite.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by ltd

Transport of live animals on international flights has to be done inside wooden crates.

I can understand the animals in crates. Do you know if wooden pallets are used to carry cargo?

[cram_it_frog]

wooden crates with vegtables ect are put into steel crates

that is what the news people say

but the entire area is full of rubbish that has fallen off ships so untill we can see the items then they say give a more positive answer

weather is expected to be up and down for some time so this is geeting frustating for every one

I know it has been said but the families i really feel for them

[nstg8a]

Aircraft use big steel cages that are shaped to fill the hold, it's very common for wooden pallets to be placed inside these cages.

I wonder how much rena wreckage has floated it way over there.... They lost a boatload of containers

[CoupeKing]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/201...to-mh370-pilot

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ty-checks.html

News filtering through now that the mystery phone call the Pilot received just before take off, the person used a fake identity to purchase the sim card.

[EASYBOSS]

Originally Posted by ltd

Transport of live animals on international flights has to be done inside wooden crates.

Bollocks, I flew our two dogs and a cat back from Aust to NZ, they were just in transport cages, no wooden crate or the cages in a wooden crate.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

I can understand the animals in crates. Do you know if wooden pallets are used to carry cargo?

I helped stack some wooden pallets we sent via air-freight to Dubai, so I guess they would be on planes.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by EASYBOSS

Bollocks, I flew our two dogs and a cat back from Aust to NZ, they were just in transport cages, no wooden crate or the cages in a wooden crate.

I guess larger stuff like turtles, horses, wild animals for zoos etc would need something a little larger, hence the wooden crates.

[stazza]

Excuse my ignorance but I was under the impression that this day and age satellites could track anything in real time? As in watch any of that possible debris and track it so its easier to find. I also thought they could zoom in with more clarity than in the pictures? Too many movies I guess!

[martinijosh]

Originally Posted by stazza

Excuse my ignorance but I was under the impression that this day and age satellites could track anything in real time? As in watch any of that possible debris and track it so its easier to find. I also thought they could zoom in with more clarity than in the pictures? Too many movies I guess!

Definitely too many movies.

[mcnews]

Satellites are on a pre set rotation, different satellites have different jobs, some can pick up electronic signatures, some do other things etc. They can only view/detect etc. while they are overhead that particular part of the earth, this is quite often a window only a matter of minutes long. Further to that, everyone knows where these satellites are, and when they will be overhead in each area of the earth, thus you can avoid satellites. Thus you know that satellite with ELINT capability will be overhead between 1205 and 1215 and turn off your electronics for that period of time then turn them back on etc. etc.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by stazza

Excuse my ignorance but I was under the impression that this day and age satellites could track anything in real time? As in watch any of that possible debris and track it so its easier to find. I also thought they could zoom in with more clarity than in the pictures? Too many movies I guess!

It is very hard to retask a satellite that has minimal OMS (orbital manouvreing systems). Its the reason there are so many up there orbiting at the various altitudes (LEO, geosynchronous etc).

[ltd]

Originally Posted by EASYBOSS

Bollocks, I flew our two dogs and a cat back from Aust to NZ, they were just in transport cages, no wooden crate or the cages in a wooden crate.

Uh huh. And how long was the flight?
And considering most transport companies like Dogtainers etc have branches in both Australian cities and New Zealand I'm not surprised you could hire a crate.
The reason timber is used is because the crates are single use as they are cheaper, and they are destroyed at the other end as a matter of quarantine.
Whilst New Zealand may have a special dispensation with AQIS, I can guarantee you that all the crates I've seen with live animals going into the hold of the 777 are wooden.

[FPVS3]

Originally Posted by EASYBOSS

A question for those that know

Does the black box transmission only start to be activated if the plane crashes, like air bags going off, or is it on all the time?

The flight data and voice recorders, so called "black boxes" are actually orange for easier finding. The voice recorder may not be of much use as it usually records just the last half hour of flight deck conversation, ie a rolling half hour which is erased constantly. The flight data recorder is constantly recording most parameters of the flight, not erased I believe. Their locator beacons probably activate on reaching a certain G level like in a crash just like an emergency locator beacon (ELB).

[EASYBOSS]

Originally Posted by ltd

Uh huh. And how long was the flight?
And considering most transport companies like Dogtainers etc have branches in both Australian cities and New Zealand I'm not surprised you could hire a crate.
The reason timber is used is because the crates are single use as they are cheaper, and they are destroyed at the other end as a matter of quarantine.
Whilst New Zealand may have a special dispensation with AQIS, I can guarantee you that all the crates I've seen with live animals going into the hold of the 777 are wooden.

3.5 hours, about 5 years ago, did not hire the containers, I had to buy them, they were plastic, still have them stored under the house. So no single use wooden crate.

We were on the same flight as our animals, and could see them in the plastic cages from the plane on the tarmac just before they were loaded in, they were not very happy at that stage.

So I don't believe you are correct, dogs and cages only took an hour to pass quarantine in NZ, anyway, probably of no relevance to MH 370

[gcg2503]

What would you know anyway ltd?

You are only a pilot after all!

[EASYBOSS]

Originally Posted by FPVS3

The flight data and voice recorders, so called "black boxes" are actually orange for easier finding. The voice recorder may not be of much use as it usually records just the last half hour of flight deck conversation, ie a rolling half hour which is erased constantly. The flight data recorder is constantly recording most parameters of the flight, not erased I believe. Their locator beacons probably activate on reaching a certain G level like in a crash just like an emergency locator beacon (ELB).

Thanks, I was saying to the wife the other day that it would be silly if the were actually black and they should be red for easy finding, orange makes sense, still curious about the actual activation and wondering if the plane could have, dear I say it, landed/crashed in the ocean without them being activated, if the pilot having knowledge on how do to so.

[Motorbreath310]

Originally Posted by ltd

Uh huh. And how long was the flight?
And considering most transport companies like Dogtainers etc have branches in both Australian cities and New Zealand I'm not surprised you could hire a crate.
The reason timber is used is because the crates are single use as they are cheaper, and they are destroyed at the other end as a matter of quarantine.
Whilst New Zealand may have a special dispensation with AQIS, I can guarantee you that all the crates I've seen with live animals going into the hold of the 777 are wooden.

My mother uses Dogtainers quite frequently to ship dogs between AU and NZ. Our dogs (bulldogs) have always been shipped in plastic crates. Apparently wooden ones are used for larger varieties.

[nstg8a]

I think you will find there's different rules between nz and aus, and aus and anywhere else, because our bio security works together a lot of the time.

[Pepscobra]

Originally Posted by EASYBOSS

Thanks, I was saying to the wife the other day that it would be silly if the were actually black and they should be red for easy finding, orange makes sense, still curious about the actual activation and wondering if the plane could have, dear I say it, landed/crashed in the ocean without them being activated, if the pilot having knowledge on how do to so.

The black-box has an inbuilt moisture sensor; as soon as it hits the water it will trigger its beacon which has a 30-60 day life span.
Time is ticking to find the black box with possibly half of its battery life already gone.

[Wolfinsheepsclothing]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

The black-box has an inbuilt moisture sensor; as soon as it hits the water it will trigger its beacon which has a 30-60 day life span.
Time is ticking to find the black box with possibly half of its battery life already gone.

would the black box work if it's 2k plus under the sea

[Pepscobra]

Originally Posted by Wolfinsheepsclothing

would the black box work if it's 2k plus under the sea

I believe the beacon is detectable up to 2000-4000m under water, depending on the seabed topography and weather conditions.

[MITCHAY]

The RAAF has spotted new objects and the HMAS Success is trying to locate and recover now according to AMSA release. It looks like they are getting close now.

http://images.smh.com.au/file/2014/0...=1395656821113

[ray38l]

The Malaysian prime minister has confirmed it crashed in the Indian ocean. I can see a big investigation coming as to why it took almost 3 weeks to work that out

[iCat]

So it crashed almost in the Southern Ocean. En route to where? That would be the most bizarre and improbable flight path. It just leads to more and more questions.....

[Trump]

I call BS.

I was just reading the article in "The Age":

http://www.theage.com.au/world/missi...325-hvmd2.html

and this stood out:

Australian and US experts took this information, added some assumptions about the plane’s speed, and narrowed the southern option into an area of ocean that could be realistically searched.

Assumptions? They are using fudge factors??? I thought something smelled fishy about the whole episode, this just confirmed it.

Another question I have not seen raised anywhere is the amount of fuel the plane took on at KL. That single figure would determine its ultimate flight range. Yet I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere.

[iCat]

i was wondering the same Loud Noises. I didn't think it had a huge amount of fuel left once it left that last reference point to the west of Malaysia, then all of a sudden it's supposedly found down south of Perth.

I'm not 100% sure of the announcement that the flight crashed in that location. In fact i don't believe it much at all.

[XBROO]

**** this is a very bad joke, I feel for the families involved and can understand their anger. Nothing even concrete yet and they are giving them the bad news WTF. And no less but a ******* text message, it's just not right.