Barra 190, The smartest engine Australia has ever produced.

[paulvdb]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The same engine that got bagged by every motoring journo in Oz for being no better than the boat anchor it replaced.

There's nothing boat anchor in this engine apart from the heavy-ish block. Independant variable cam, dual knock sensors, 24 valves, variable length intake isn't stone age at all. I'd rather have the 380Nm at normal revs than 300 at 5000rpm like some of it's competitors.

As cars get heavier the manufacturers will be wishing they had more torque rather than needing 20 forward gears and 4 reverse gears in the gearbox.

[mik]

well if m3 is there best i6 with 365 nm @ 5000 then my old au rapes it in torque department, 374nm@3500,.......... they can keep their beemer

[Smoked]

Hopefully the new improvements in effciency and fuel consumption will really bolster the sales of the BF. Given the current price of petrol, a major selling point of cars at the moment is fuel usage, it would be nice to see a falc that out does its rivals.

[big_waity]

That's a whole lotta reading! I'm far too tired for this!

[ltd]

Originally Posted by SSbaby

Yes but as Australia's smartest engine... is it smart enough to run direct injection (like the HFV6). ;)

I know, I'm a party pooper!

No, you're no party pooper, you're an idiot.

Direct injection is good on one kind of engine only - Diesels. (Brass Injectors)
On petrol engines direct injection has pluses but many minuses in particular, higher combustion temperatures and then heatsoak (combination of mild steel and high temperature plastic like the pinnacle caps). Don't believe me, check how many HV6 have had injector problems already, you'll be surprised.

Seriously though, if all you're going to do is bag ford then disappear to LS1. You being on a ford forum says alot. I know holden haven't made a decent car since the fj (thats why they revived it at the SMS), so does that mean that they can't even make a decent forum for the hapless morons who were suckered into a purchase too?

My suggestion would be to eat a bag of sugar before you espouse your sour grapes about the ford engine - it is the best Australian engine ever built. The fact that you have to buy a high end model just to get on terms with the power of a base model ford, and never actually match the torque of the ford, speaks volumes about Holdens development. Face it, Ford spent their money refining a decent motor, Holden spent their money completely replacing theirs.
And now ford has fuel economy too, the last thing holden held over them.

At the moment Ford take the crown for the best designed and engineered engine produced in Australia. But don't worry, when the new VE comes out next year, it should have all the fruit of Daewoo in it.

Hopelessness
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Designers
Espousing
Nonsense

or

Hardly
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Locally
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Eccentric
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[big_waity]

Heaps
Of
Losers
Drive
Em
Now

[ltd]

Originally Posted by big_waity

Heaps
Of
Losers
Drive
Em
Now

Well said.

SSBABY, apologies for calling you an idiot, I confused you with another SS poster. My bad.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by paulvdb

There's nothing boat anchor in this engine apart from the heavy-ish block. Independant variable cam, dual knock sensors, 24 valves, variable length intake isn't stone age at all. I'd rather have the 380Nm at normal revs than 300 at 5000rpm like some of it's competitors.

As cars get heavier the manufacturers will be wishing they had more torque rather than needing 20 forward gears and 4 reverse gears in the gearbox.

I was refering to Holden V6's as boat anchors, not Ford engines.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by ltd

No, you're no party pooper, you're an idiot.

Seriously though, if all you're going to do is bag ford then disappear to LS1. You being on a ford forum says alot. I know holden haven't made a decent car since the fj (thats why they revived it at the SMS), so does that mean that they can't even make a decent forum for the hapless morons who were suckered into a purchase too?

Apparently he's already been kicked off LS1 (there's a suprise) so he has come over here to annoy us instead.

[Bluehoon]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I was refering to Holden V6's as boat anchors, not Ford engines.

The Boss is the best boat anchor.... :hihi:

The Holden V6 is the best chauffcutter going, even for a 40 year old donk...

[nobbystang]

Have just put a deposit on the new BF XR6 and am looking forward to picking it up next week, however i am unsure especially after watching aca whether or not to run premium through it. i was adamant it would be better until i read the article about their story as i missed the show due to work. What do you guys reckon, worth the extra $$$ or are these engines designed to run well on normal and premium is just for the turbos??

[GOLDIE]

Originally Posted by nobbystang

Have just put a deposit on the new BF XR6 and am looking forward to picking it up next week, however i am unsure especially after watching aca whether or not to run premium through it. i was adamant it would be better until i read the article about their story as i missed the show due to work. What do you guys reckon, worth the extra $$$ or are these engines designed to run well on normal and premium is just for the turbos??

I have a ba xr6 turbo and yes 98 is the best for these i also have a territory and run it on 95 as this seems to give it better response and there is a marked improvement in economy
so i would use 95 in the standard xr6.

Ian

[nobbystang]

thanks for the reply

[deesun]

Any chance you asked for covers for the fog lights to be included in your deal? They are prone to breakage from stones and cost $110 each to replace. Covers are around $80pr. Something to think about for anyone buying an XR or FPV with these lights.

[Professor Farnsworth]

I've run nothing but 91 in mine so far.

[AnthonyQLD]

Originally Posted by nobbystang

Have just put a deposit on the new BF XR6 and am looking forward to picking it up next week, however i am unsure especially after watching aca whether or not to run premium through it. i was adamant it would be better until i read the article about their story as i missed the show due to work. What do you guys reckon, worth the extra $$$ or are these engines designed to run well on normal and premium is just for the turbos??

6 speed auto????

[nobbystang]

of course six speed auto, well worth the extra grand and a bit. yes i am getting the fog lamp covers, only $50 so money well spent. got the black xr, just have to get windows tinted when i pick it up, can't convince the minister for war and finance we need to spend extra on alpine speakers and amp so will have to suffice with what i got, if i get to drive it!!!

fantz, how do you find it with the 91, ever run anything higher to compare??

[Professor Farnsworth]

No i haven't as yet, i probably will soon though, might run a little 95 through it then some 98. I'm pretty sure it says in the manual that e-blend (ethanol) fuel is ok in it too. Runs pretty well on 91, plenty of power.

[parawolf]

My BA never ran any better apart from on pure highway work on higher than 91. Feeding it 98 gave it no more 'bum of the seat' and only gave it about .2L/100km on the freeway.

[Rev28K]

[QUOTE=BuuBox]The only benefit of a V6 is packaging, tied with a whole lot of compromises. If you want a severe example of these compromises, drive a 3.8 litre VN. QUOTE]

You do know that the 3.8 Holden engine is a 5.0 litre (Yank engine) with 2 cylinders lopped off it?

GM kept the V8 90degree cylinder bank angle rather than redesign it to the better for V6 balance 60 degree cylinder bank angle. They added balance shafts later on, etc but that isn’t the way most people would design a V6 if they had a clean sheet of paper.

[1TUFFUTE]

if u ask me the only thing fords missing for this great new class leading six engine....its own AIRBAGS

[ba2?]

Does anyone know what the Barra 190 weighs? What about the DOHC V6 Holden engines. Just wondering...

Dave

[XR8-260]

The Barra 190 'owns' the 182 in a few ways. Firstly, more torque at lower revs helps these 1700kg slugs get off the line a little faster. Also, there's more peak power and at higher revs too . Fuel consumption is also slightly better.

[PoMmYwOG]

im yet to drive BF , but i rekon the barra engine is really great. Soo much smoother than the ecotech v6 i had, not to mention the amount of torque compared to the ecotech. Dont think id go back to holden.
Next car will either be a XR6T/Typhoon or a bmw.
Someone was saying ealier in this thread how high the m3 needs to rev to get torque, i think its doing allright getting that much torque out of a 3.2L I've driven a 2004 m3 and ill tell you now, that car is a machine and the 6spd smg gearbox is unreal...hope ford would adopt something like that int he future... the computer controls a clutch, it even revs the engine between changes to match revs ...all u do is floor it steer and tap the gearstick/peddles and brake.

[Iphido]

The BF I6 I don't belive is all that massive weight wise.

It certainly is a fantastic engine. The upgrades over the BA are nice. More low down torque, more refinement, more power, more economy. Combined with the 6 speed auto, its brillant.

It ticks all the boxes. I don't think there is a better all round six out there and combined with the six speed its unbeatable.

[Dr Smith]

Just start up a Barra182 then jump into a Barra190 and the improvement in refinement is quite noticable....and the Barra182 is good to start with.

[stockel]

Woah guys have a look at when this thread was started..... might explain a few things...

[[Tonko]]

Thread mining at its finest, you better watch out for the 'black lung'

[XR8-260]

Whats thread mining? :

[Iphido]

digging up a thread that died about 2 years ago.

Doesnt change the fact the I6 is a honey. So glad they kept it and didn't get a crap V6.