P PLATES why do we need to display them?

[Brute33]

Originally Posted by deankdx

what is the point of them, a cop attractent or a way of letting us know theres a cute driver possibilty?

To let more experienced drivers know to avoid you

[svo347]

Originally Posted by Brute33

To let more experienced drivers know to avoid you

GOLD!! ahahahahahah :1syellow1

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by Brute33

To let more experienced drivers know to avoid you

That's not as silly as it sounds. I know in a few areas that I drive around, P platers in a riced up POS is a general warning to stay clear. Had a few of them get over-excited and lose it infront of me.

Also had a P plater in an EA falcon follow me for a good 5 mins yesterday.

[bindi]

Yeah it's just a signal for the people driving around P platers to let us know you are still in a learning phase.

I don't know about you, but that was where most of my learning took place (all those years ago when you only had your Ps for 1 year). Being on my Ls was learning how to drive to pass the test, when I got on my Ps I learned the real road rules :

Also as Casper said, it's a signal for the cops to pull you over and have an excuse to check you out/test you/harrass you. And it is a bugger that now this phase lasts for 3 years now.

I feel for all the P platers now, it's unfair. Cos no matter what you do and how good a driver you are, they still hassle you. I followed Brent at the NSW FF meet up to Bathurst and he didn't do anything wrong, but I can betcha that if we had all been pulled over by the cops, he would've been one of the first to get in the crap cos of the little sign next to his number plate.

[Brute33]

I can understand all the ankst from young people with P's and the rules that go with it , but most of those rules exist because , as you know , you guys have the worst fatality rate.
As bindi said above , L's is passing the test . Having P's is the learning curve to see if you can keep youthful exuberance in check long enough to survive or god forbid, avoid an accident or even death.
Going to an advanced driving course makes you aware of what to look for and how to better handle your car . It doesn't make you a good driver. Like most things in life , it comes from years of driving on the roads , although there are the exceptions . After all the years driving , its amazing how good you actually get at pre empting stupid human behaviour.

As for the coppers targeting you , who knows what they're thinking.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by Brute33

I can understand all the ankst from young people with P's and the rules that go with it , but most of those rules exist because , as you know , you guys have the worst fatality rate.
As bindi said above , L's is passing the test . Having P's is the learning curve to see if you can keep youthful exuberance in check long enough to survive or god forbid, avoid an accident or even death.
Going to an advanced driving course makes you aware of what to look for and how to better handle your car . It doesn't make you a good driver. Like most things in life , it comes from years of driving on the roads , although there are the exceptions . After all the years driving , its amazing how good you actually get at pre empting stupid human behaviour.

As for the coppers targeting you , who knows what they're thinking.

Convince me Brute, HOW is displaying a piece of plastic is going to save lives, coz I can't see it. Young people tend to act like dickheads, but showing a piece of plastic isn't going to change that.

[T_Terror]

Yeah honestly why did those changes come about that made no Ps a 3point offence as well s increasing the fines and limits in everything else?
And dont even start with the 5point per year limit!
They just snuck it past with only a handbook at the Vicroads offices and then expcted everyone to know this as if they hang out at Vicroads.


Another BS "Get tough" piece of legislation given to us by the Bracks Government to make them look as if they actually do ANTYHING towards effective road safety. And the only people who even know about it are the young drivers on the streets getting pulled over for no other reason than being young.

[Trevor 57]

I am a driver trainer since 1987 and I am at a loss as to the need to display P Plates, IMHO they serve no useful purpose whatsoever. Just a revenue raiser for the Government.

Can someone please convince me of the safety aspects of displaying P Plates, L Plates makes sense but not P Plates.

And in Victoria, 3 demerit points for not showing them, that is the same as going through a Stop sign, or a red light for christ sake. You can see the safety benifit in Red/Stop infringements, but P Plates!!!

In this day and age of computerisation, every Police car has access to someones details in seconds.

Give me a break. We don't need them!

[stockstandard]

I dont see what the big deal is. P-Plates let other drivers know you havent been driving for as long as others and you have speed restrictions placed on you (here is SA at least). In all the time I was on my P's I was pulled over once, and that was for a valid reason (I didnt actually know at the time but I had jumped behind the wheel of an unregistered car). I am not saying that p-platere never get picked on, but from my experience it is not hard to avoid the cops attention. Maybe this is different in other states though.

It really isnt a big deal to throw up some p-plates anyway.

[TheSneakiness]

Actually, I've seen P platers up here using P plates. So, yeah.

I agree with Trouty, there should be an Australian Standard in driving laws across the country. That way, it makes it easier to police, and people won't get confused to what driving laws there are for different states.

[Psycho Chicken]

Yep, I see cars like that and get the hell away from them.

[TheSneakiness]

Yeah. Heck, I do 115 on the Bruce Highway up here and notice that others still come flying past me. If there was a speed restriction for P platers here, and guys doing 120-130, that's a hazard.

Because australia is a socialist crap hole and young people must be identified as they are obviously inferior and sub human.

[Trevor 57]

Originally Posted by lizardmech

Because australia is a socialist crap hole and young people must be identified as they are obviously inferior and sub human.

And that is the attitude that attracts Police, we need to move on and grow up. :

[MO]

Originally Posted by lizardmech

Because australia is a socialist crap hole and young people must be identified as they are obviously inferior and sub human.

I think you need a lesson in the political/sociological perspectives of OZ,for a start we are not socialist,we have a Liberal/corporate government in power.

Who I might add are about to take away the last rights to a minium wage and conditions of workers come July when they have control of the senate.

Originally Posted by John McMaster

I think you need a lesson in the political/sociological perspectives of OZ,for a start we are not socialist,we have a Liberal/corporate government in power.

Who I might add are about to take away the last rights to a minium wage and conditions of workers come July when they have control of the senate.

Theres the state governments and the baised australian media. We seem to get the disadvantages of both political sides in australia.

[FreezeR]

I recently got my XR6T, as im in victoria i should not beable to drive it...But the other day i got pulled over and got the going over like shane3 did, all the same questions.

But then he noticed it was an XR6T and said they couldnt do anything because its a 6, didnt even mention anything about the power to weight ratio...

Guess i was lucky

Oh and that was the first time i have ever got pulled over on my "P's", even though i used to drive a more powerfull ute before getting this one. Just dont be a d***head and you wont get pulled over.

[FNQracing]

When I see a car with P plates I immediately know that:

a) Inexperienced driver
b) Expect erratic behaviour
c) I should give this car a Wide Berth
d) All of the above and then some.

Don't know what other states are like, but here in NSW, P sould be replaced by D. D for D!ckhead.

[Brute33]

Originally Posted by FFOracing

When I see a car with P plates I immediately know that:

a) Inexperienced driver
b) Expect erratic behaviour
c) I should give this car a Wide Berth
d) All of the above and then some.

Don't know what other states are like, but here in NSW, P sould be replaced by D. D for D!ckhead.

Pretty much right in your point form , but the last statement I can't agree , as there are youngins out there with brains. Not fair to cane them just because they're young and P platers. You and I were there once too you know .

[bindi]

Originally Posted by FFOracing

When I see a car with P plates I immediately know that:

a) Inexperienced driver
b) Expect erratic behaviour
c) I should give this car a Wide Berth
d) All of the above and then some.

Don't know what other states are like, but here in NSW, P sould be replaced by D. D for D!ckhead.

Hmmm... I don't agree (it's ok, we're allowed to disagree, it doesn't mean I think you are wrong) _2:

Not all P platers are morons, yeah sure some are but you're putting the whole lot of them together, and that is unfair. Don't judge people because they display P plates. There are idiots who are on their blacks you know

And yes some you should give a wide berth to, but for example the other day at the NSW FF meet I followed Brent - a P plater - and I thought he drove very well. I did not consider him to need a wide berth at all!

He has made a friend in me, for being intelligent, nice, kind, and not a d*ckhead doofer boy.

[MightyXR6Turbo]

Not all P Platers are idiots, but it does identify someone who hasn't been driving for long, which means if they make a mistake for example, I wouldn't find myself getting as irritated as I would if someone without P's does it. P platers are generally inexperienced drivers, and I think that it adds to the understanding and courtesy to them while they learn how to drive...

lol on a side note - did anyone else miss the point on the first post?

in QLD when on holidays i tried to buy P plates so my girlfreind could have a drive of the rental car,

What rental car company lets ANY P plater drive drive a vehicle?!?! lol. I think that should be the issue lol

[deankdx]

Originally Posted by MightyEFGhia

lol on a side note - did anyone else miss the point on the first post?


What rental car company lets ANY P plater drive drive a vehicle?!?! lol. I think that should be the issue lol

i trust my girlfriend P plater so much that i would have paid for the the cars repair had there been a problem. i hired the car i am 32 years old and probably no better driver than her(i am a fairly considerate and patient driver, but still a bit of a hoon), it was the kindest a rental car had been driven i reckon(when she drove it)

[MightyXR6Turbo]

yah, i figured that.. lol i just thought it was amusing that you were letting a p plater drive it... but hey, if u were gonna pay for it if she stacked it, thats all good, and very responsible of u

[poss]

well im on my p's and back in december we had that west roads thing in town and i was takin my lil bro and sis to school (i goto boarding school had the week off) in my ute(xg) and this pig i had been talkin to him all week and he pulled me over and charged me with speeding, cumin in from a hudred zone to a 50 was bout 40m in doin 70 overloaded car and no p's (my back one was displayed on the back window) all up was loss of licence and 500+ fine

[Yaw]

P plates or not I don't think there is a single one of us here that can say we have not had the occasional mishap that has been compensated for by a thrid party. (for example) not seeing some one in a blind spot and the person in your blind spot was the one able to compensate for your mistake.

I think this is where a learning curve comes in, not just being a good driver yourself, but being a good enough driver to compensate others mistakes.

I guess what I am saying is none of us is the perfect driver, but P platers do lack this practical experience. If a P plate is displayed maybe even if only a few of us agree you may be more willing to overlook a mistake made by taking mental note they are less experienced.

(hell in some cases it may even eleviate road rage for a silly mistake)

[HOON69]

gotta love qld
on ya L's you drive to the speed limit
on your P's you drive to the speed limit
and L platers have to display their l's but not their P's (which maybe changing soon)

and we can drive aT the same speed as the rest of the traffic,thankgod

i hate it when ya drive into sydney at 100 only tofind a l plater doing 80kmh on the hwy its scary and should be made to drive to the speed limit i reckon..

Originally Posted by HOON69

gotta love qld
on ya L's you drive to the speed limit
on your P's you drive to the speed limit
and L platers have to display their l's but not their P's (which maybe changing soon)

and we can drive aT the same speed as the rest of the traffic,thankgod

i hate it when ya drive into sydney at 100 only tofind a l plater doing 80kmh on the hwy its scary and should be made to drive to the speed limit i reckon..

I don't know how they come up with stupid rules like that. Its harder and more dangerous to drive at 80 in a 100 zone than doing 100 because of traffic.

[santoitaliano]

p's are good on 1 side in theory.. so other drivers are aware you'er a new solo driver..

bad sides:
1. other drivers automatically label you
2. police hound you

2 vs 1.. **** em off

[T_Terror]

I dont think anyones ever seen a P-plater do something stupid and thoguht "Oh its ok, hes still learning. Better luck nexst time pal "

We all know that everyone immediately thinks (or screams!) "BLUDY P-PLATERS!!!! LEARN TO DRIVE!!!


Hence, why you only remember the fully-sik seat-fully-back & cap-pointing-at-the-sky or teh stupid girls in Xcels swerving everywhere or the other numerous P-plater stereotypes.

What you fail to notice is the hundreds of P-platers you come across during the day that drive normally and safely.


My point: why dont the shit drivers just get pulled over for driving crap, instead of everyone getting pulled over for being born close to the same year as those other young drivers makin us look bad.

When I was 16, just before I went on my P's (1993) I went in a demolition derby at the speedway in Darwin. I gotta say, that thing made my right foot one hell of a lot lighter than it otherwise would be, just purely because I could understand just how much an impact with anything at speed, be it a tree, another car or whatever, would feel like...ie pain. We barely topped 40 kph on the clay, and with 2 belts holding you in, head on into another car doing a similar speed, I gotta say, it bloody hurts. If I could change the licensing rules, id make a ride on one of those NCAP crash sleds compulsory (obviously not flat out) for all new P platers, just to show them what its potentially like. And maybe a couple of days riding in an ambulance too just for good measure. Might I add, I wore my P plate for about a month, got the shits with having to put it up all the time cos it was my oldies car, and just left em in the glove box. No-one was killed or injured cos of that. I say bugger em off, there almost useless. But then again, if they make more P plates, there'll be less plastic POS excels etc on the road... Only so much plastic in the world hey.