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I can't see why an 8 week wait be an issue?? MTO has never been much better than that anyway, unless its an impulse purchase and you're not fussed about brand or model.
Buy euro and its closer to 6 months MTO... If discounting below cost is selling cars for Holden then that puts them in a worse position than selling none.
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Thats what I paid for my 5 speed EF GLI back in August 1994. Who said there's been any inflation in Australia.
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Simple fact of the matter is people arent going to pay 38 kay for an XR8 ute and wait 8 weeks when they can buy a 6 litre SS for 33 and drive it home tomorrow..
Ford has stuff all ute stock... theres very few around which is why there is an 8 week wait, and ofcourse since its 2009 stock order theres no bonus / discount... Ford are well understocked at the end of 2008 which is probably good from an accounting point of view, but harder when dealers are competiting with Holden dealers selling 2008 plate vehicles at rediculous prices, how can you compete??
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They are still covering cost.. They arent that stupid! January / February are traditionally good months with customers coming in to buy last years stock.. This has worked to both Ford and Holdens advantage in the past (especially dealers as manufacturers give bonus money, making cars easier to move and allowing them to get numbers up), the sad part for Ford this year is they have stuff all stock! My local suppliers holding yard is empty, when it can handle up to 200 new vehicles... Now he cant supply what anyone wants which has left him in a pickle!
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I was after some furniture a while back, went to a shop, picked what I want, said that will be 8 weeks wait. So yeah I said no and brought else where. A car is different though, especially a XR8, if we were talking base model then typically there is less emotion behind the decision. Id rather Ford sell less cars and keep a margin, this has actually been a strategy of sorts for them anyway. Of course they would love to have volume, but not at the expense of profit.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but if Ford have waiting lists for all their cars, does that not mean they can afford to sell them at list price, making more money for Ford per car. Mulally has said all along he's not interested in volume for volume's sake, he want's Ford to be profitable.
Surely having no cars in holding yards means Ford doesn't have to discount last years stocks at this years sales like Holden has to, which has to be a good thing, not a bad one... IMO Ford are starting to do a pretty good job with the vehicles they have. The new Fiesta SHOULD give them a massive boost of younger clientele and that is where brand loyalty starts. It takes years, but Ford have to start somewhere... It's possibly just me, but I think Ford's image is moving slightly more upmarket than Holden's. Euro Fiesta, Euro Focus, Euro Mondeo, focus on G6 (Euro-like) Falcons vs Korean Barina, Euro Astra, Korean Whatever their medium sizer is, focus on sell as many as we can at whatever price commodore... |
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Ahh ok, I think i read that the plant is shut down in december for tooling, so hopefully less downdays next year. Mind you the way this F.C is going its gonna be interesting.
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As a production worker, I can assure you it is definitely a strategy of Ford's to produce only what the market demands we make.
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I also feel that Ford's will gradually enjoy a higher resale figure than their equivolent Holden counter parts due to the quality of the product as well as the lack of massive discounting. If I'm right, this may bring some fleet customers back to Ford... |
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Wrong... Fords not a luxury brand, therefore dealers don't have the same profit margins that luxury brands do... Fords and Holdens are all numbers, dont get the numbers and its bye bye... Ford could have marketed the cars somewhat in the last month of December, especially the 5 star safety rating... There stupid cricket adds are a waste of time and money... Not every australian cares about Cricket...
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We all know that there are probably a lot of dealers around now that won't be in 12 months or 2 years though. Sad but true. That's where Ford, GM and Chrysler are all at. The fact that Ford dealers have little or no volume sitting around to clear now simply means Ford is a step ahead of Holden in refining their production model to be where the market is at. Holden are trying to get to exactly the same position by clearing as many commodores as they can for whatever they can, shutting down production for a month etc... IMO having a waitlist for a vehicle gives it a certain cache. |
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Ford Escape 76 137 Ford Fairlane 1 184 Ford Falcon 2,574 3,122 Ford Falcon Ute 815 1,027 Ford Fiesta 236 362 Ford Focus 1,077 1,269 Ford Focus Coupe Cabriolet 27 57 Ford LTD 0 4 Ford Mondeo 461 347 Ford Ranger 4X2 446 435 Ford Ranger 4X4 537 549 Ford Territory 1,089 1,284 Ford Transit 107 127 Ford Transit Bus 23 6 Ford Transit C/C 30 60 Ford Total 7,499 8,977 Holden Holden Astra 628 1,220 Holden Astra Convertible 20 105 Holden Barina 711 948 Holden Caprice 138 244 Holden Captiva 855 856 Holden Colorado 4X2 370 0 Holden Colorado 4X4 516 0 Holden Combo 21 59 Holden Commodore 5,413 3,653 Holden Epica 175 231 Holden Rodeo 4X2 19 524 Holden Rodeo 4X4 14 607 Holden Statesman 69 110 Holden Utility 4X2 1,629 1,535 Holden Viva 270 369 Holden Total 10,848 10,464 |
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Look past the numbers. Holden sent new cars to auction late last year, and on top of that the $29990 driveaway offers etc. There would be massive losses in that for Holden. Cars sitting in a yard this time of year is dead wood. Especially considering that GMAC pulled out of floorplan funding. It would cost more to have cars sitting there than it is too sell them at a loss.
They need to go so therefore drastic action may need to be taken. As the saying goes in the automotive industry, "Your first loss is your best loss".. |
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Its better to sell 7500 cars at break even or a small profit than 11000 cars at a loss... Ford's strategy to move more towards manufacturing to order and away from commodity predicted sales is a good one at this time.
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More importanatly if GM is planning on selling off Holden the less stock on the ground the better.
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Also interesting that Focus and Fiesta runout models are apparently flying out the door since christmas and there are still a few BF XR6s around. So much for no stock to play with... |
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[QUOTE=Gobes32]As a production worker, I can assure you it is definitely a strategy of Ford's to produce only what the market demands we make.
/QUOTE] That means Ford can afford to get rid of some of the deadwood in the dealer network, so the surviving ones have enough volume. Basically Ford have the reason and the opportunity to raise the bar for staying a Ford dealer. That would be good for Ford and its customers. |
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